On Liz greene

[Guest guest]

Hi Chris , when i sent the link I knew you

wouldnt be in agreement with many of the things

that Liz Greene stated ....lol, especially her

questioning of the validity of many who claimed

to have "predicted the attacks".

 

That being said if you read her article carefully

she stated that she wasnt negating horary

astrology or the people who work specifically in

predictive astrology.Anyone who reads any of her

work will not come away with a feeling that Liz

Greene isnt a capable astrologer or one who lacks

any particular "skills".Liz can look at a chart (

and has done it several times in her books) and

observe the possibilities of certain things

occuring , past , present and future, but thats

just not her forte.I the article, She has layed

the charts out in order to show the effects of

certain transits and progressions that she feels

were responsible for the sad state of affairs

before and after the attacks.Whether she did it

before hand or after is irrelevant.The point is

she understand the effects and can communicate

them .

 

Liz Greene is a Pyschoanalyist and she approaches

Astrology from that perspective.She made several

off the cuff predictions several years ago about

the possible problems in the USSR which came

true.She has been a proponent of Horary for some

time and has dedicated several chapters in her

books to the issue of timing , predictions and

fate , using several case studies and

examples.One of her books called the astrology of

fate"deals with this whole issue directly in a

very thoughfull , and perceptive manner.Shes a

jungian so shes just more atuned to dealing with

a different area, and maybe observing what

planetary links are involved with creating

certain events after the fact.No Astrologer could

have told us that "two planes would crash into

the world trade center in the morning of

september 11th".Astrology just might not be that

specific, and would we be able to deal with it if

it was?

 

As far as the chart of the U.S , I cant comment

on that although , i believe that her analysis of

the US chart and the Sag ascendant was very

convincing ,as well as the over lay she did with

the chart of George Bush in comparison.Im not

promoting Liz Greene, however I recieved a

personal analysis from her that was so detailed

and so startlingly accurate in its depth of

insight into my character that I immediately

dropped all the other stuff i was into and began

studying astrology.Im the biggest skeptic out

here , so thats a tall feat for her to pull off

..She is a top notch astrologer no doubt.Maybe you

should check out some of her stuff , your one of

the most open minded guys ive met in Astrology so

im sure you will come away impressed.Her books

are a storehouse of astrological knowledge, you

shouldnt judge her abilities from an article or

two on the net.Even our buddy Andy Lynne praised

her work in the Saturn book she wrote......Zamani

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Zamani

 

Years before it occurred, Liz Green wrote in one of her books, I believe it

was the one about the Outer Planets, that the USSR would fall apart as

Uranus triggered the 7th house. Right on time it fell to pieces. IT may

not be her forte, and I may not be a fan of her writings, but she is a

formidable astrologer and one that merits respect.

 

c

 

 

-

Zamani Feelings <zfeelings2

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Monday, December 31, 2001 8:03 PM

[GJ] On Liz greene

 

 

> Hi Chris , when i sent the link I knew you

> wouldnt be in agreement with many of the things

> that Liz Greene stated ....lol, especially her

> questioning of the validity of many who claimed

> to have "predicted the attacks".

>

> That being said if you read her article carefully

> she stated that she wasnt negating horary

> astrology or the people who work specifically in

> predictive astrology.Anyone who reads any of her

> work will not come away with a feeling that Liz

> Greene isnt a capable astrologer or one who lacks

> any particular "skills".Liz can look at a chart (

> and has done it several times in her books) and

> observe the possibilities of certain things

> occuring , past , present and future, but thats

> just not her forte.I the article, She has layed

> the charts out in order to show the effects of

> certain transits and progressions that she feels

> were responsible for the sad state of affairs

> before and after the attacks.Whether she did it

> before hand or after is irrelevant.The point is

> she understand the effects and can communicate

> them .

>

> Liz Greene is a Pyschoanalyist and she approaches

> Astrology from that perspective.She made several

> off the cuff predictions several years ago about

> the possible problems in the USSR which came

> true.She has been a proponent of Horary for some

> time and has dedicated several chapters in her

> books to the issue of timing , predictions and

> fate , using several case studies and

> examples.One of her books called the astrology of

> fate"deals with this whole issue directly in a

> very thoughfull , and perceptive manner.Shes a

> jungian so shes just more atuned to dealing with

> a different area, and maybe observing what

> planetary links are involved with creating

> certain events after the fact.No Astrologer could

> have told us that "two planes would crash into

> the world trade center in the morning of

> september 11th".Astrology just might not be that

> specific, and would we be able to deal with it if

> it was?

>

> As far as the chart of the U.S , I cant comment

> on that although , i believe that her analysis of

> the US chart and the Sag ascendant was very

> convincing ,as well as the over lay she did with

> the chart of George Bush in comparison.Im not

> promoting Liz Greene, however I recieved a

> personal analysis from her that was so detailed

> and so startlingly accurate in its depth of

> insight into my character that I immediately

> dropped all the other stuff i was into and began

> studying astrology.Im the biggest skeptic out

> here , so thats a tall feat for her to pull off

> .She is a top notch astrologer no doubt.Maybe you

> should check out some of her stuff , your one of

> the most open minded guys ive met in Astrology so

> im sure you will come away impressed.Her books

> are a storehouse of astrological knowledge, you

> shouldnt judge her abilities from an article or

> two on the net.Even our buddy Andy Lynne praised

> her work in the Saturn book she wrote......Zamani

>

>

>

> Send your FREE holiday greetings online!

> http://greetings.

>

>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

[Guest guest]

Zamani,

 

I appreciate Greene's experience and dedication, but my problem with her

point of view is the unrecognized contradiction in her approach to

prediction. If one is able to choose between different charts in the

process of rectification, then one ought to be able to make correct

predictions on that basis. It's that simple. If not, then there is no way

to determine if the rectification of the chart was correct. Right? Now,

if Greene has determined that the Sibley chart is the correct one for the

USA, then one ought to be able to predict things from that chart. If not,

then the basis for selecting the chart as the correct one is lost. It

becomes arbitrary based on more subjective evaluations of national

character, etc or post facto explanations of events that have already

occurred (hypothetical example: Uranus transit to natal Asc for Lincoln's

assassination). So why would somebody who takes the time to sift through

different rectification possibilites in the USA chart say that predicting

one of the most important events in US history was impossible? Doesn't

make sense to me. This is my beef with a lot of astrologers out there who

like to riff off a chart with all sorts of fancy post facto analyses and

think they're proving it correct somehow. I don't agree. It's a loose

form of validation because as anyone who has fooled around with the many

USA charts out there can agree, there are often some planetary pattern that

fits many different charts for an event. I'm not saying that we shouldn't

do post facto analyses -- obviously they're worthwhile and if done properly

can help us understand things better. But they will always be a degree of

speculativeness to the chart if we haven't correctly made predictions on

the basis of the chart.

 

And the degree of event accuracy is a red herring here. To my mind, it

doesn't matter a whole lot if someone couldn't have predicted two planes

flying into the WTC. That would be less astrological and more in the realm

of psychic phenomenon. But someone who predicted an attack on the US of a

non-specfic nature, or an event of extreme violence, or terrorist incident,

etc -- that would have been noteworthy as far as using the principles of

astrology to make future predictions.

 

Happy New Year from your northern neighbour,

Chris

 

 

At 06:03 PM 12/31/01 -0800, Zamani Feelings wrote:

>Hi Chris , when i sent the link I knew you

>wouldnt be in agreement with many of the things

>that Liz Greene stated ....lol, especially her

>questioning of the validity of many who claimed

>to have "predicted the attacks".

>

>That being said if you read her article carefully

>she stated that she wasnt negating horary

>astrology or the people who work specifically in

>predictive astrology.Anyone who reads any of her

>work will not come away with a feeling that Liz

>Greene isnt a capable astrologer or one who lacks

>any particular "skills".Liz can look at a chart (

>and has done it several times in her books) and

>observe the possibilities of certain things

>occuring , past , present and future, but thats

>just not her forte.I the article, She has layed

>the charts out in order to show the effects of

>certain transits and progressions that she feels

>were responsible for the sad state of affairs

>before and after the attacks.Whether she did it

>before hand or after is irrelevant.The point is

>she understand the effects and can communicate

>them .

>

>Liz Greene is a Pyschoanalyist and she approaches

>Astrology from that perspective.She made several

>off the cuff predictions several years ago about

>the possible problems in the USSR which came

>true.She has been a proponent of Horary for some

>time and has dedicated several chapters in her

>books to the issue of timing , predictions and

>fate , using several case studies and

>examples.One of her books called the astrology of

>fate"deals with this whole issue directly in a

>very thoughfull , and perceptive manner.Shes a

>jungian so shes just more atuned to dealing with

>a different area, and maybe observing what

>planetary links are involved with creating

>certain events after the fact.No Astrologer could

>have told us that "two planes would crash into

>the world trade center in the morning of

>september 11th".Astrology just might not be that

>specific, and would we be able to deal with it if

>it was?

>

>As far as the chart of the U.S , I cant comment

>on that although , i believe that her analysis of

>the US chart and the Sag ascendant was very

>convincing ,as well as the over lay she did with

>the chart of George Bush in comparison.Im not

>promoting Liz Greene, however I recieved a

>personal analysis from her that was so detailed

>and so startlingly accurate in its depth of

>insight into my character that I immediately

>dropped all the other stuff i was into and began

>studying astrology.Im the biggest skeptic out

>here , so thats a tall feat for her to pull off

>.She is a top notch astrologer no doubt.Maybe you

>should check out some of her stuff , your one of

>the most open minded guys ive met in Astrology so

>im sure you will come away impressed.Her books

>are a storehouse of astrological knowledge, you

>shouldnt judge her abilities from an article or

>two on the net.Even our buddy Andy Lynne praised

>her work in the Saturn book she wrote......Zamani

>

>

>

>Send your FREE holiday greetings online!

>http://greetings.

>

>

>

>Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

>: gjlist-

>

>

>

>Your use of is subject to

>

>

>

>