Liz Greene on the September 11th attacks ( A must read for everyone)

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Heres a link to an excellnet astrological , as

well as socio-physchological analysis of the 911

attacks, this is a must read

 

http://www.astro.com/h/wtc_e.htm

 

 

 

 

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Zamani,

 

Thanks for the link. Too bad it's the usual western psycho stuff. And why

was I not surprised by the line "I do not believe that the Sept 11 attacks

could have been predicted"? This is the usual excuse from astrologers who

didn't predict it in order to forestall any criticism about their

abilities. Something as huge as Sept 11 most definitely ought to have been

predictable and definitely WAS predicted by a number of astrologers, both

east and west. And it's fairly easy to see a malefic configuration in

Bush's chart for September using various progressions.

 

I find it even more peculiar that people like Greene employ specific USA

charts like the Sibley chart in order to make sense post facto of an event.

How can they select one natal USA chart over another if it doesn't "fit"

events? If it fits events, then you can use it to predict events. Why are

we bothering with astrology if not to predict events and outcomes? This is

yet another reason why astrology is racket preying upon the weak,

vulnerable, and impressionable.

 

Chris

 

At 01:19 PM 12/31/01 -0800, Zamani Feelings wrote:

>Heres a link to an excellnet astrological , as

>well as socio-physchological analysis of the 911

>attacks, this is a must read

>

>http://www.astro.com/h/wtc_e.htm

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I really enjoyed reading Liz Greene's article. I personally identified with

much of what she said. This afternoon the radio said that the big crystal ball

was just now being hoisted up the pole for New Year's celebration in NYC, and

then he added that the names of firemen who lost their lives attempting to

rescue persons in the WTC, were inscribed upon individual pieces of crystal

that had been added to that "2002" crystal ball.

I was born in the state of New York. I used to take the New Haven railroad

train to NYC on Wednesdays after high school, to take classes in the City and

then return back home to the suburbs where we lived. I'd go to the City on a

Saturday afternoon, wander around the Metropolitan Museum, or Wall Street, or

the Guggenheim Museum, Museum of Modern Art, the Museum of the American Indian,

or Rockefeller Center, or even Greenwich Village.

I was drawn to the vibrancy of New York. Its fast-walking, fast-talking

people, its mix of different pavements and building facades and store displays,

its beautiful, haunting cathedrals, its street vendors selling a small bag of

hot chestnuts on a windy corner for the exorbitant price of 50 cents--the hot

chestnuts would warm my cold fingers on a winter day--its sounds of subway

trains roaring beneath your feet, the beautiful strains of a violin held to the

cheek of a student at Julliard who was playing for donations today....

The City (was there any other like it? no, we thought not!) had a profoundly

magnetic effect on those who were lucky enough to go there.

I heard the radio person speak today of the heroic firemen whose names are

attached to the "2002" crystal ball being hoisted up on Times Square. I cried

when I thought again of those selfless men, trying to save their fellow

citizens, and being crushed alive, mercilessly killed--all because of

misdirected hatred that was given a place to grow in human hearts. Ever since

the attack, the thought of such a loss that our country sustained--and not

nearly as large as India's loss in the Earthquake of Gujarat, it still hurts.

After the Pentagon was hit, i waited a few weeks, but I had to go there and

photograph it to make it 'real' to me...but most of my photos were of the

handmade notes and hearts and photos of missing loved ones...it was deeply

moving. I never knew any of these people, but they loved.

Our country is wounded such as it hasn't been before. Why the suffering?

asks the mother and the father and the younger ones and the older ones.

Liz Greene seems to say we (and the world) can grow better as a result of

our response to all that has happened.

Is Ms. Greene holding out hope for the weary to hold on to, is she correctly

telling us good results are happening in the world now, or is she being too

idealistic?

Rudy Guiliani, the mayor of New York City, said that when he first addressed

NYC after the attack, he'd used Churchill's inspirational words, but hardly had

belief the city could recover....yet it is doing that....i wonder, is it the

hope he gave us, or was he correctly telling us that good things would happen,

or was he too idealistic?

A most happy New Year is wished for all of you. May the peoples and

countries of our world solve their problems peacefully, may those who lack food

and shelter, receive it, may those who cry, be comforted. God Bless you!

Carol

In a message dated 12/31/2001 4:20:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, zfeelings2 writes:

Heres a link to an excellent astrological , as

well as socio-physchological analysis of the 911

attacks, this is a must read

http://www.astro.com/h/wtc_e.htm

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Dear Chris

 

Liz Greene is a well known, and likely very old, psycho-archetypal

astrologer.

The specifics of the events were not likely predictable because no one has

the time to review every chart for every day of every year.

 

That said, I did predict that if there were to be a terrorist strike it

would come the week of 9-10th and I did that using nakshatras AND the chart

for the US that speaks to me.

 

I only got this accuracy because I look at a number of charts for my web

site. Most astrologers do not do this and so miss it. I am also certain

that intuition played a big part. The whole time I wrote that month's

entries I felt deeply depressed and just wanted to get it over with. I was

so sad, the my sweetie suggested that I just skip the month. My response,

"I can't, I wish I could but I just can't." That was not meaning unable,

but meaning that something compelled me to write it. The rest of the month

I wrote about dealing with sadness and feelings of vulnerability. It was no

picnic, but neither was it a detached mental exercise.

 

You can call astrologers frauds if you want, and even include me. I do not

know who was preyed upon by me, as one astrologer, selecting the US chart

that has worked well for me for many years.

 

sincerely

 

c

 

 

 

 

 

-

Christopher Kevill <ckevill

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Monday, December 31, 2001 4:16 PM

Re: [GJ] Liz Greene on the September 11th attacks ( A must read for

everyone)

 

 

> Zamani,

>

> Thanks for the link. Too bad it's the usual western psycho stuff. And

why

> was I not surprised by the line "I do not believe that the Sept 11 attacks

> could have been predicted"? This is the usual excuse from astrologers who

> didn't predict it in order to forestall any criticism about their

> abilities. Something as huge as Sept 11 most definitely ought to have

been

> predictable and definitely WAS predicted by a number of astrologers, both

> east and west. And it's fairly easy to see a malefic configuration in

> Bush's chart for September using various progressions.

>

> I find it even more peculiar that people like Greene employ specific USA

> charts like the Sibley chart in order to make sense post facto of an

event.

> How can they select one natal USA chart over another if it doesn't "fit"

> events? If it fits events, then you can use it to predict events. Why

are

> we bothering with astrology if not to predict events and outcomes? This

is

> yet another reason why astrology is racket preying upon the weak,

> vulnerable, and impressionable.

>

> Chris

>

> At 01:19 PM 12/31/01 -0800, Zamani Feelings wrote:

> >Heres a link to an excellnet astrological , as

> >well as socio-physchological analysis of the 911

> >attacks, this is a must read

> >

> >http://www.astro.com/h/wtc_e.htm

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >Send your FREE holiday greetings online!

> >http://greetings.

> >

> >

> >

> >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> >: gjlist-

> >

> >

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Cynthia,

 

At 06:45 PM 12/31/01 -0600, cynthia novak wrote:

>Dear Chris

>

>Liz Greene is a well known, and likely very old, psycho-archetypal

>astrologer.

>The specifics of the events were not likely predictable because no one has

>the time to review every chart for every day of every year.

 

This isn't my sense of the word unpredictable. It's not unpredictable

because one doesn't have time to look at it every day, unpredictable means

that even if you had time, you couldn't have predicted it. Those are two

different things. I think Greene's meaning was that it was astrologically

impossible to predict it. And that is where I disagree with her.

 

You took the time to examine the charts concerned and make a good

prediction. That's great -- your astrologer's karma must be on the rise!

 

Chris

[Guest guest]

Allow me to cut in here....

 

I have not really read Liz Greene's article on the WTC/Pentagon

attacks. If, however, as Chris says, Liz Greene says the attacks were

unpredictable, then I must conclude that a) Liz Greene is coping out, or b)

she must have meant that the actual prediction of the specific attack is

impossible, but only possible in "general" terms.

 

I remember that week before the attacks, I could see Mars coming to a

conjunction with Ketu in Mula. Things were starting to heat up in the

Middle East. I thought there could have been very well some flare-up in

the Middle East or some other flashpoint on the globe.

 

Doing mundane predictions one has to be up on the real political situations

in various parts of the world. I and many other people in the know could

have told you that an attack against the US like 9-11 was not a matter of

if but when.

 

We were (and still are) in a period of danger. Saturn is opposing

Pluto. While Pluto is a wildcard from the Vedic standpoint, it is still

there and it should not be ignored. The Saturn/Pluto oppostion falls right

on the US Ascendant (7-4-1776; 5.12 pm). Pluto means destruction and

hopefully rebuilding.

 

With the Saturn/Pluto situation things were ripe for change. With the

addition of Mars conjunct Ketu in Mula opposite Jupiter in Gemini, things

became only more ripe for precipitating.

 

The chart of George W. Bush and his inauguration do not help the

situation. Basically, things were very much in favor of going to

"hell". To complete the equation we need the factual details of the

geo-political situation.

 

We simply were caught with our politicians building their dream castle new

world order in the sky and the rest were watching "Survivor" or else

building our dream castles in the sky with their business and investments.

 

The enemies struck as Mars conjuncted Ketu opposed Jupiter. America woke

up (somewhat) the astrology is actually playing out, and it is not all

played out yet.

 

Curtis Burns

 

At 02:20 PM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:

 

>Cynthia,

>

>At 06:45 PM 12/31/01 -0600, cynthia novak wrote:

> >Dear Chris

> >

> >Liz Greene is a well known, and likely very old, psycho-archetypal

> >astrologer.

> >The specifics of the events were not likely predictable because no one has

> >the time to review every chart for every day of every year.

>

>This isn't my sense of the word unpredictable. It's not unpredictable

>because one doesn't have time to look at it every day, unpredictable means

>that even if you had time, you couldn't have predicted it. Those are two

>different things. I think Greene's meaning was that it was astrologically

>impossible to predict it. And that is where I disagree with her.

>

>You took the time to examine the charts concerned and make a good

>prediction. That's great -- your astrologer's karma must be on the rise!

>

>Chris

>

>

>

>

>Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

>: gjlist-

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Allow me to cut in here....

 

I have not really read Liz Greene's article on the WTC/Pentagon

attacks. If, however, as Chris says, Liz Greene says the attacks were

unpredictable, then I must conclude that a) Liz Greene is coping out, or b)

she must have meant that the actual prediction of the specific attack is

impossible, but only possible in "general" terms.

 

I remember that week before the attacks, I could see Mars coming to a

conjunction with Ketu in Mula. Things were starting to heat up in the

Middle East. I thought there could have been very well some flare-up in

the Middle East or some other flashpoint on the globe.

 

Doing mundane predictions one has to be up on the real political situations

in various parts of the world. I and many other people in the know could

have told you that an attack against the US like 9-11 was not a matter of

if but when.

 

We were (and still are) in a period of danger. Saturn is opposing

Pluto. While Pluto is a wildcard from the Vedic standpoint, it is still

there and it should not be ignored. The Saturn/Pluto oppostion falls right

on the US Ascendant (7-4-1776; 5.12 pm). Pluto means destruction and

hopefully rebuilding.

 

With the Saturn/Pluto situation things were ripe for change. With the

addition of Mars conjunct Ketu in Mula opposite Jupiter in Gemini, things

became only more ripe for precipitating.

 

The chart of George W. Bush and his inauguration do not help the

situation. Basically, things were very much in favor of going to

"hell". To complete the equation we need the factual details of the

geo-political situation.

 

We simply were caught with our politicians building their dream castle new

world order in the sky and the rest were watching "Survivor" or else

building our dream castles in the sky with their business and investments.

 

The enemies struck as Mars conjuncted Ketu opposed Jupiter. America woke

up (somewhat) the astrology is actually playing out, and it is not all

played out yet.

 

Curtis Burns

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I have not really read Liz Greene's article on the WTC/Pentagon

attacks. If, however, as Chris says, Liz Greene says the attacks were

unpredictable, then I must conclude that a) Liz Greene is coping out, or b)

she must have meant that the actual prediction of the specific attack is

impossible, but only possible in "general" terms.

 

I remember that week before the attacks, I could see Mars coming to a

conjunction with Ketu in Mula. Things were starting to heat up in the

Middle East. I thought there could have been very well some flare-up in

the Middle East or some other flashpoint on the globe.

 

Doing mundane predictions one has to be up on the real political situations

in various parts of the world. I and many other people in the know could

have told you that an attack against the US like 9-11 was not a matter of

if but when.

 

We were (and still are) in a period of danger. Saturn is opposing

Pluto. While Pluto is a wildcard from the Vedic standpoint, it is still

there and it should not be ignored. The Saturn/Pluto oppostion falls right

on the US Ascendant (7-4-1776; 5.12 pm). Pluto means destruction and

hopefully rebuilding.

 

With the Saturn/Pluto situation things were ripe for change. With the

addition of Mars conjunct Ketu in Mula opposite Jupiter in Gemini, things

became only more ripe for precipitating.

 

The chart of George W. Bush and his inauguration do not help the

situation. Basically, things were very much in favor of going to

"hell". To complete the equation we need the factual details of the

geo-political situation.

 

We simply were caught with our politicians building their dream castle new

world order in the sky and the rest were watching "Survivor" or else

building our dream castles in the sky with their business and investments.

 

The enemies struck as Mars conjuncted Ketu opposed Jupiter. America woke

up (somewhat) the astrology is actually playing out, and it is not all

played out yet.

 

Curtis Burns

[Guest guest]

I have not really read Liz Greene's article on the WTC/Pentagon

attacks. If, however, as Chris says, Liz Greene says the attacks were

unpredictable, then I must conclude that a) Liz Greene is coping out, or b)

she must have meant that the actual prediction of the specific attack is

impossible, but only possible in "general" terms.

 

I remember that week before the attacks, I could see Mars coming to a

conjunction with Ketu in Mula. Things were starting to heat up in the

Middle East. I thought there could have been very well some flare-up in

the Middle East or some other flashpoint on the globe.

 

Doing mundane predictions one has to be up on the real political situations

in various parts of the world. I and many other people in the know could

have told you that an attack against the US like 9-11 was not a matter of

if but when.

 

We were (and still are) in a period of danger. Saturn is opposing

Pluto. While Pluto is a wildcard from the Vedic standpoint, it is still

there and it should not be ignored. The Saturn/Pluto oppostion falls right

on the US Ascendant (7-4-1776; 5.12 pm). Pluto means destruction and

hopefully rebuilding.

 

With the Saturn/Pluto situation things were ripe for change. With the

addition of Mars conjunct Ketu in Mula opposite Jupiter in Gemini, things

became only more ripe for precipitating.

 

The chart of George W. Bush and his inauguration do not help the

situation. Basically, things were very much in favor of going to

"hell". To complete the equation we need the factual details of the

geo-political situation.

 

We simply were caught with our politicians building their dream castle new

world order in the sky and the rest were watching "Survivor" or else

building our dream castles in the sky with their business and investments.

 

The enemies struck as Mars conjuncted Ketu opposed Jupiter. America woke

up (somewhat) the astrology is actually playing out, and it is not all

played out yet.

 

Curtis Burns