Guest guest Posted December 29, 2001 Report Share Posted December 29, 2001 Dear list members, What is the best way or ways to ascertain one's unrecorded time of birth? Looking forward to hearing as many perspectives as possible to see if there is a predominant emergence from amongst the wealth of astrological experience on this enlivening conference. Best regards Arthur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2001 Report Share Posted December 29, 2001 Arthur, This is the whole hornet's nest of astrology, since rectification basically involves understanding how astrology works at all. I think it requires juggling transits, dashas, and perhaps dozens of other things. Whatever techniques we use -- and many of us use different ones -- the trick is that no single technique is always reliable. Transiting Saturn conjunct the 4th lord doesn't always mean relocation, nor does transiting Jupiter conjunct the 10th lord during the 10L's dasha always mean a promotion. So that means you can't fix the time of birth based on these events using simple transits or dashas. You've got to get the basic parts of people's lives and see if they make sense within different lagnas in the rashi chart. Of course, even there, there is no guarantee that a childless man of 50 has to have a malefic in his 5th house. It's just more likely. So you have to check varga charts too. And people don't always have children during the bhuktie of the 5th lord either. No single tool available to us is that reliable. At least, that's my experience. So you have to fiddle around with a number of plausible lagnas, and using the events of people's lives, try to find the best fit for most of those events. It's really a compromise solution every time. Chris At 12:47 AM 12/30/01 +0000, Goloka Books wrote: >Dear list members, > >What is the best way or ways to ascertain one's unrecorded time of birth? > >Looking forward to hearing as many perspectives as possible to see if there >is a predominant emergence from amongst the wealth of astrological >experience on this enlivening conference. > >Best regards > >Arthur > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2001 Report Share Posted December 29, 2001 I saw this post and coullldn't help but jump in, even though I'm still going through others from several days ago. This is ticklish business. I start by running a Moon's chart. I ask questions an see if the Moon's nakshatra fits the person. If not, I go forward or backward, depending upon the range within 24 hours of that day to see if another fits. I like to look at a person's face, the 2nd house is the face and I go from there. Looking for specific events that are memorable...this is the key, memorable...to the native is also a big clue. For some the 1st thing will be wedding date or date they met spouse...you have a clue that the 7th house and or its lord is very strong. If they jump in with birth of a child you know the 5th house lord or house is strongly emphasized. Likewise, the 1st house is the birth, so anything unusual about the native's birth is a clue there as if the person's energy. It is like trying to find "Waldo" in a book of puzzles, there are clues everywhere and many possibilities. In my opinion, the astrologer has to be willing to try several and be willing to be wrong and start over. I personally get good results just from the Moon's chart and would not hesitate to use it. Still, it is very nice to have a rectified Rashi. I would not look to vargas just because they change so much with just a little difference in birth time and with my own chart, I still don't trust them <grins> That does not mean I won't adapt to them in time, just haven't had as good results with anything as I get from the birth chart and transits. Remember, you are looking for a lot of clues and be willing to try several different approaches. c - Goloka Books <goloka <gjlist> Saturday, December 29, 2001 6:47 PM [GJ] Birth time unknown > Dear list members, > > What is the best way or ways to ascertain one's unrecorded time of birth? > > Looking forward to hearing as many perspectives as possible to see if there > is a predominant emergence from amongst the wealth of astrological > experience on this enlivening conference. > > Best regards > > Arthur > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2001 Report Share Posted December 30, 2001 on 30/12/01 1:27 am, Christopher Kevill at ckevill wrote: > Arthur, > > This is the whole hornet's nest of astrology, since rectification basically > involves understanding how astrology works at all. I think it requires > juggling transits, dashas, and perhaps dozens of other things. Whatever > techniques we use -- and many of us use different ones -- the trick is that > no single technique is always reliable. Transiting Saturn conjunct the 4th > lord doesn't always mean relocation, nor does transiting Jupiter conjunct > the 10th lord during the 10L's dasha always mean a promotion. So that > means you can't fix the time of birth based on these events using simple > transits or dashas. > > You've got to get the basic parts of people's lives and see if they make > sense within different lagnas in the rashi chart. Of course, even there, > there is no guarantee that a childless man of 50 has to have a malefic in > his 5th house. It's just more likely. So you have to check varga charts > too. And people don't always have children during the bhuktie of the 5th > lord either. No single tool available to us is that reliable. At least, > that's my experience. So you have to fiddle around with a number of > plausible lagnas, and using the events of people's lives, try to find the > best fit for most of those events. It's really a compromise solution every > time. > > Chris Dear Chris Thanks for responding. As you say, an unknown birth time is the whole hornet's nest of astrology, and I get the drift of your point. But what in your opinion, as you mentioned, are the basic parts of people's lives? Could you give some specific examples? Say, a marriage date and working from that. Or an accident, sudden gains or losses. What is considered to be basic? Regards Arthur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2001 Report Share Posted December 30, 2001 Dear Arthur, At 11:16 AM 12/30/01 +0000, Goloka Books wrote: >on 30/12/01 1:27 am, Christopher Kevill at ckevill wrote: > >> Arthur, >Dear Chris > >Thanks for responding. As you say, an unknown birth time is the whole >hornet's nest of astrology, and I get the drift of your point. But what in >your opinion, as you mentioned, are the basic parts of people's lives? Well, the everyday things that you know about them such as do they have children, are they married, are they wealthy or not, do they live in their place of birth, are they attractive, etc. Fairly basic stuff that might be revealed by some lagnas more than others. So say you have a chart without a TOB that has Moon in Taurus, and Mars in Gemini. If we use chandra lagna because we have to start somewhere, we might wonder if the person spoke harshly or used bad language (check Mercury for more info hon that) and if they have problems in marriage. All these things might be indicated by having Mars in the 2nd house from the Moon(lagna), as might facial scars or expenses and income from overseas sources (12L in the 2H). Now it doesn't help us establish what the person's rising sign is at all, since these configurations exist with chandra lagna. But what we could say from just these two placements is that IF we knew that the person didn't speak harshly and had a reasonably happy marriage, then we could say that Mars does not affect the 2nd house from the person's lagna. The negative effect on the 2nd house of the chandra chart would be outweighed by an unafflicted and possibly well aspected 2nd house in the rashi chart. Thus, we could tentatively rule out Taurus lagna, and also Scorpio lagna, since Mars would be in the 8th house and would cast its 7H aspect on the 2nd house. We could also plausibly rule out Sagittarius lagna since Mars' 8th house aspect would be cast on the 2nd house(Scorpio) and Leo lagna as well since Mars' 4th house aspect would be afflicting 2nd house Virgo. Now if Moon and Mars were not in adjacent signs as I suggested above, then our problem is different because as we know the horoscope can reveal reality using different lagnas. So if we know that this person doesn't speak harshly and has a good marriage, then Mars really shouldn't be involved in the 2nd house from lagna at all, especially since it is not connected to it in the chandra chart either. It still might be of course, but it's less likely. I've only used two planets here to illustrate how simple things can be potentially important in rectification and also to imply how difficult rectification actually is when all the planets are included. Possibilities grow exponentially when all the planets are throw into the mix and one takes account of the various varga charts. A fun exercise is to try to rectify a chart just using the date of birth and some life events when the actual time IS known but is not revealed to you. You can try your hand at it and then have your efforts evaluated in the end. It can be a pretty humbling experience! Hope this helps, Chris > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2002 Report Share Posted January 1, 2002 on 31/12/01 1:33 am, Christopher Kevill at ckevill wrote: > ........ > I've only used two planets here to illustrate how simple things can be > potentially important in rectification and also to imply how difficult > rectification actually is when all the planets are included. Possibilities > grow exponentially when all the planets are throw into the mix and one > takes account of the various varga charts. A fun exercise is to try to > rectify a chart just using the date of birth and some life events when the > actual time IS known but is not revealed to you. You can try your hand at > it and then have your efforts evaluated in the end. It can be a pretty > humbling experience! > > Hope this helps, > Chris Dear Chris That does help and gives me good pointers. It is a question of finding the set of astrological clothes and shoes so to speak that best fit the subject. I could also check the 12 signs and eliminate those whose predominant characteristics or karakas are lacking in the subject and look for those that match. If I can get it down to one sign, then I could look within that. So I'll try eliminating planets and signs and see what kind of 'best fit' emerges. Another possible clue could be the caste or occupation listed in Goravani's nakshatras, the subject being predominantly brahmin which would eliminate 23 of the 27 nakshatras. Lets see. Thanks for your insight. The more I look at Jyotish the more I realize how incredibly unfathomable it is, yet I still dare to reach for the bottom and one day hope to have it all totally comprehended!! ========= By the way, do you or any other list members have the birth details or even charts of any great sports personalities? I use Goravani Jyotish software and he has a very useful list of famous personalities but there are no sports people listed there. It would be interesting to see what naksatras, signs, and so on they might all have in common. Also, I wonder if anyone her has DOB details on Osama Bin Laden, Sadam Hussein, Idi Amin, Adolf Hitler, or any of those type of infamous people? It would be interesting to see if they consistently fall into the rakshasa 'gana' category of the nine such nakshatras. My best regards Arthur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2002 Report Share Posted January 1, 2002 Aruthur writes: The more I look at Jyotish the more I realize how incredibly unfathomable itis, yet I still dare to reach for the bottom and one day hope to have it alltotally comprehended!! C.S. Ravindramani writes: 0913 hrs IST 2--1-2002 What a wonderful statement and his optimistic view to comprehend astrology. I wish you all the best in your endeavours. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani Send your FREE holiday greetings online at Greetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2002 Report Share Posted January 2, 2002 C.S. Ravindramani writes: 0913 hrs IST 2--1-2002 What a wonderful statement and his optimistic view to comprehend astrology. I wish you all the best in your endeavours. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani =============== Thank you Ravindramani for your blessings. I really need them from all those gracing this conference and teaching me so much about this great Vedic science. Bless me all that one day I can 'publicly' and 'well in advance' make at least one accurate good or bad big world event prediction and prove the authenticity of Jyotish. But such a prediction would also have to be 'written in the stars' and be part of the collective karma of the whole planet if Nature were allow it to be done. Its all in the hands of the Gods, and in the karma of the people who in this age most don't seem to have the pious karma to allow the existence of pious astrologers. I hope I'm wrong. Regards Arthur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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