Ketu Swallowing up planets -dear zamani

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Hi Its Zamani ..Thanks for the feeback , well in

my case the 5th lord Saturn is placed in the 7th

house in Aries, badly debilitated in and neecha.

The nakshaktra lord of that Saturn is Ketu as

well ,which is placed in the 12th house along

with the sun, mercury ,and venus.I suppose that

my sun , merc, and venus would all be considered

as "drained planets" especially since they are

with Ketu and in the 12th house at the same

time.My Mercury does help somewhat since it is

exalted in Virgo in my rashi and my navamsa,

however in my navamsa mercury is with venus again

, but in the 8th house which is even more

problematic.....Zamani, thanks for your input

 

 

 

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Dear Zamani

Here is some posts I received from Ernst Wilhelm regarding ruler of

5H in 7H.

Hope it helps.

Marcia

Marcia <marcia (AT) neteze (DOT) com> wrote:

hi ernst

can you tell me again what the ruler of the 5th in the 7th indicates

again?

i can't remember if it negates marriage or children?

thanks.

marcia

Dear Marcia,

it partifulalry negates marriage. Except in Cacner and capricorn.

Take Care,

ERsnt

Dear Marcia,

to be more clear. The 5th lord in the 7th destroys the spouse, and the

5th lord in the 7th prevents children. THe difference is that the 5th

lord in the 7th will get rid of the spouse, while it only prevents

children.

The 7th lord in the 5th destroys the spouse or children, meaning that one

only has one or the other, but usually neither. If a person is married,

after children the marriage usually goes downhill.

These are very importatn yogas, but other indications have to be seen as

well which can modify them to a degree. The dasas of these planets,

however, is not good for marriage or chilren, bujt if another planet is

good for marriage. it can happen in its dasa

Take care,

Ernst

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--- partvinu5 <partvinu5 wrote:

People are childless due to the

presence of ketu

in 5th house, 5th lord in 12th or 5th lord afflicted with

malefics.

Thus ketu does not swallow planets. He just negates the

potential of

a house.

 

C.S. Ravindramani writes: 28-12-2001 0911 hrs IST

 

Friends,

 

Ketu in 5th House gives intuition and Mantra Siddihi. It

is somewhat adverse for progeny. But if such a 5th House

is aspected by natural putrakaraka Jupiter,(say from 11th

House or from 9th House - 9th house again the secondary

house for children - the native is going to have a child.

(Notwithstanding Ketu is placed in 5th House.)

 

Childlessness again depends on many other factors in the

nativity.

 

 

regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

 

 

 

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Dear Partha

 

I have seen several clients with Ketu in the 5th who have children. There

is a sort of "destiny" quality to the parent child relationship. I've seen

the conception in an unusual way. The conception may be out of wedlock or

somehow a surprise. I have not seen it negate. Did you mean to say that

ketu in the 5th plus some other influences?

 

cynthia

 

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Thursday, December 27, 2001 7:33 AM

[GJ] Re: Ketu Swallowing up planets -dear zamani

 

 

> dear zamani

> ketu is all negation and rahu all obsession. Ketu is the moksha

> karkaka and is also the planet that propels a person towards

> spirituality. Now this swallowing up doesn't sound good. 12th house

> in a chart is the drainage house. It is the vyaya sthana or the

> expenditure house. People are childless due to the presence of ketu

> in 5th house, 5th lord in 12th or 5th lord afflicted with malefics.

> Thus ketu does not swallow planets. He just negates the potential of

> a house.

> regards

> partha

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> gjlist, Zamani Feelings <zfeelings2> wrote:

> > Hito Wendy, its Zamani. I read one of your posts

> > in response to "childless" and i was interested

> > inthe comments you made concerning the function

> > of Ketu when it is conjoined another planet and

> > the "swallowing up effect".If an individual has

> > Ketu in the same house as another planet do the

> > degrees matter in your opinion? Or is it enough

> > that its there together in the same House.In my

> > case I am a 33 year old male and I have no

> > children.Im my rashi I have Ketu in Virgo in the

> > 12th House with the Sun, Mercury and Venus (and

> > for those who use outers in Vedic... Uranus

> > also)also in Virgo, but Ketu isnt really close

> > in degrees to Mecury and Venus.Also since Rahu

> > supposedly makes a seventh house aspect to

> > wherever Ketu is placed wouldnt that bring in

> > those issues as well? Can you give me some

> > insight into this . Heres my data.....thanks

> > Zamani Feelings

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on 28/12/01 3:44 am, ravindramani at ravindramani wrote:

 

>

> --- partvinu5 <partvinu5 wrote:

> People are childless due to the

> presence of ketu

> in 5th house, 5th lord in 12th or 5th lord afflicted with

> malefics.

> Thus ketu does not swallow planets. He just negates the

> potential of

> a house.

>

> C.S. Ravindramani writes: 28-12-2001 0911 hrs IST

 

Dear Ravindramani

 

According to GJ software childlessnes, or "APUTRA YOGA" also arises

as follows, quote:

 

"The lord of the 5 is in 6 or the lord of the 5 is in 8

or the lord of the 5 is in 12."

 

There is the addition of houses 5 and 8.

 

Interestingly enough, some other friends of mine are having exactly that

problem, they haven't been able to get kids for the last 9 years, and they

both healthy. But she has an "APUTRA YOGA", according to GJ software, which

accurately pinpoints the problem.

 

Regards

 

Arthur

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Dear All,

This is precisely why we cannot take the yogas literally. If 5th lord is

suffering affliction by being in a dusthana there can still be birth of

children if karaka for children (Jupiter) is strong.

I have an example of a native with 5th lord badly afflicted in 8th...in house of

bitter enemy and combust 8th lord Sun...heavy affliction to 5th lord!

However this native has Jupiter exalted in a kendra and has two healthy children

that came (without delay) when desired...during Jupiter dasa.

 

I strongly urge all beginners not to take the yogas too literally without due

consideration to the other relevant factors. "Aputra Yoga" or any yoga is just

one factor.

 

Best Wishes,Wendy

 

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Arthur Wrote:According to GJ software childlessnes, or "APUTRA YOGA" also

arisesas follows, quote: "The lord of the 5 is in 6 or the lord of the 5

is in 8 or the lord of the 5 is in 12."There is the addition of houses 5

and 8.Interestingly enough, some other friends of mine are having exactly

thatproblem, they haven't been able to get kids for the last 9 years, and

theyboth healthy. But she has an "APUTRA YOGA", according to GJ software,

whichaccurately pinpoints the problem.RegardsArthur

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Dear Wendy

Very good posting

Also newcomers should realise early that there is no single rule that unlocks

the mysteries of chart delineation .

Kind regards to all

Nicholas

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Wendy Vasicek

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Sunday, January 06, 2002 8:23 PM

Re: [GJ] Re: Ketu Swallowing up planets -dear zamani

Dear All,

This is precisely why we cannot take the yogas literally. If 5th lord is

suffering affliction by being in a dusthana there can still be birth of

children if karaka for children (Jupiter) is strong.

I have an example of a native with 5th lord badly afflicted in 8th...in house of

bitter enemy and combust 8th lord Sun...heavy affliction to 5th lord!

However this native has Jupiter exalted in a kendra and has two healthy children

that came (without delay) when desired...during Jupiter dasa.

 

I strongly urge all beginners not to take the yogas too literally without due

consideration to the other relevant factors. "Aputra Yoga" or any yoga is just

one factor.

 

Best Wishes,Wendy

 

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Astrologerhttp://www.members.tripod.com/ganesh_astro/JyotishVidyawenvas (AT) dingoblue (DOT) net.au~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Arthur Wrote:According to GJ software childlessnes, or "APUTRA YOGA" also

arisesas follows, quote: "The lord of the 5 is in 6 or the lord of the 5

is in 8 or the lord of the 5 is in 12."There is the addition of houses 5

and 8.Interestingly enough, some other friends of mine are having exactly

thatproblem, they haven't been able to get kids for the last 9 years, and

theyboth healthy. But she has an "APUTRA YOGA", according to GJ software,

whichaccurately pinpoints the problem.RegardsArthurOm Namo Bhagavate

Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat:

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Dear RavindramaniAccording to GJ software childlessnes, or "APUTRA YOGA" also

arisesas follows, quote:"The lord of the 5 is in 6 or the lord of the 5 is in

8or the lord of the 5 is in 12."There is the addition of houses 5 and

8.Interestingly enough, some other friends of mine are having exactly

thatproblem, they haven't been able to get kids for the last 9 years, and

theyboth healthy. But she has an "APUTRA YOGA", according to GJ software,

whichaccurately pinpoints the problem.RegardsArthurRavindramani writes:

7-1-2002 1135 IST.

 

Dear Arthur, Thank you for your posting.

Yes. 5th Lord's connection with 8th Lord in any manner decrease the prospects

of progeny.

I cast the horoscope manually. When you cast the horoscope manually, the

prediction starts coming to your mind at the calculation stage itself. Try

this technique. I analyse the yogas are also manually.

All yogas present in a horosocpe have to be examined by the astrologer only not

by the software. Because the results of yogas are subjected to many

conditions. What is the position of yoga making planets and their strength.

Where the yoga occurs viz. 6,8, and 12th houses. What are the aspects on the

yoga making planets. I personally believe a software cannot do all these

things. A software can describe you about a yoga and its results in a general

manner only. Results of yoga are to be carefully weighed by the astrologers

only, as you said in one of your earlier postings. It differs from chart to

chart.

Thank you for sharing your ideas and experiences.

regards, C.S. Ravindramani

 

 

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on 7/1/02 6:04 am, ravindramani at ravindramani wrote:

Ravindramani writes: 7-1-2002 1135 IST.

Dear Arthur, Thank you for your posting.

Yes. 5th Lord's connection with 8th Lord in any manner decrease the prospects

of progeny.

I cast the horoscope manually. When you cast the horoscope manually, the

prediction starts coming to your mind at the calculation stage itself. Try

this technique. I analyse the yogas are also manually.

All yogas present in a horosocpe have to be examined by the astrologer only not

by the software. Because the results of yogas are subjected to many

conditions. What is the position of yoga making planets and their strength.

Where the yoga occurs viz. 6,8, and 12th houses. What are the aspects on the

yoga making planets. I personally believe a software cannot do all these

things. A software can describe you about a yoga and its results in a general

manner only. Results of yoga are to be carefully weighed by the astrologers

only, as you said in one of your earlier postings. It differs from chart to

chart.

Thank you for sharing your ideas and experiences.

regards, C.S. Ravindramani

Dear Ravindra

Thanks for responding. Yes, as you say, it certainly does differ from chart to

chart. There are so many variables involved, as you have mentioned, and the

software also has its limitations. Beyond that it is the mixing of the

'combined total' of influences in a chart into various areas of a person's

life that requires great comprehension and above all sakti and blessings from

the Lord of the creation.

Hope you are well.

Regards

Arthur

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Dear Arthur,

Are you sure you've given me the correct data? According to my calculations this

native has Aries rising with Jupiter in the 8th. Again, Jupiter in 8th is not

enough to deny children...although there can be separation, worries and

concerns on account of children, but this position (alone) may not necessarily

deny children.

In this chart we see (along with Jupiter in dusthana) that both 5th lord and

Jupiter's dispositor are inimically placed in 6th house of obstruction (a

dusthana) and are receiving an aspect from Saturn, the planet of denial. So

there are several strong factors in this chart restricting children.

 

But it's not much use reading the chart further if it's the wrong chart. You

say, that for this native, the 5th is in a dusthana but Jupiter is not

problematic...are we looking at the same chart?

 

Best Wishes,Wendy

 

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Dear WendyThanks for pointing that out. I should have said, and actually meant

to say, not "that this pinpoints the problem " but "pinpoints PART of the

problem." That the "APUTRA YOGA" is one of the contributing factors. So I take

your point.Perhaps you could look at her Jupiter which to me didn't seem

problematic. Her DOB details are: 23 SEP 59, 20:40:00, Soroti, Uganda. Look

forward to reading more of your enlightening texts.RegardsArthur

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Dear Wendy,

We are looking at the same chart but obviously you can see more than I. Looking

into this difficult case is an experience for me. I'm beginning to understand

the various contributors to a major childless problem in this woman's life. She

is so keen to be a mother that she is prepared to adopt a child.

When I said in my last text that Jupiter in her chart is not problematic I

should have said that Jupiter 'alone' is not the cause of her problem. Jupiter

is a problem for her, as you pointed out, because Jupiter is in a dusthana.

Both husband and wife have seen the best doctors and they are both perfectly

healthy. So the problem is a negative planetary influence which is beyond their

control. Or is it?

Since I got an excellent result with another childless couple (they were trying

for six years) by getting them to chant various dashavatara mantras, I'm also

doing the same with this couple. I believe the recitation of such powerful

mantras can significantly minimize negative planetary influences owing to

previous impious acts. So this couple are now chanting these mantras very

enthusiastically every day. Let's see what result is achieved in around six

months or so.

But as for the precise astrological problem, Wendy you explained it as follows:

In this chart we see (along with Jupiter in dusthana) that both 5th lord and

Jupiter's dispositor are inimically placed in 6th house of obstruction (a

dusthana) and are receiving an aspect from Saturn, the planet of denial. So

there are several strong factors in this chart restricting children.

 

It seems it is the 'combined' several strong factors that are denying this

couple a child. Also, she has now just moved into major Saturn dasha and Saturn

for her is malefic, but Saturn on the placement scale is a friend to her, and

this may help a little.

Wendy, you are a very experienced astrologer, would you conclude from this

lady's chart that there are just too many planetary negativities for her to

ever get a child? I ask you that because I'm not adept enough to say

definitely. All I know is that there are some obvious negative indications in

her chart (as you pointed out) and that for the last nine years she has had a

real (not physical) planetary obstacle to conceiving a child.

My best regards

Arthur

 

on 8/1/02 2:38 am, Wendy Vasicek at wenvas (AT) dingoblue (DOT) net.au wrote:

Dear Arthur,

Are you sure you've given me the correct data? According to my calculations this

native has Aries rising with Jupiter in the 8th. Again, Jupiter in 8th is not

enough to deny children...although there can be separation, worries and

concerns on account of children, but this position (alone) may not necessarily

deny children.

In this chart we see (along with Jupiter in dusthana) that both 5th lord and

Jupiter's dispositor are inimically placed in 6th house of obstruction (a

dusthana) and are receiving an aspect from Saturn, the planet of denial. So

there are several strong factors in this chart restricting children.

But it's not much use reading the chart further if it's the wrong chart. You

say, that for this native, the 5th is in a dusthana but Jupiter is not

problematic...are we looking at the same chart?

Best Wishes,

Wendy

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JyotishVidya

wenvas (AT) dingoblue (DOT) net.au

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Dear Wendy

Thanks for pointing that out. I should have said, and actually meant to say, not

"that this pinpoints the problem " but "pinpoints PART of the problem." That the

"APUTRA YOGA" is one of the contributing factors. So I take your point.

Perhaps you could look at her Jupiter which to me didn't seem problematic. Her

DOB details are: 23 SEP 59, 20:40:00, Soroti, Uganda.

Look forward to reading more of your enlightening texts.

Regards

Arthur

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Dear Arthur,

There is no doubt that the right Upaye can be of benefit to this native with

Jupiter's star lord in 9th house...this is the house of remedies!

Also Saturn's aspect on MA/SU can indicate adoption. IMHO Saturn's placement in

8th Saptamsha, whilst not good for one's own progeny may grant adopted children

as a malefic planet in malefic house has the ability to fulfil it's obligations.

Saturn specifically refers to adoption, so I see this as a possibility.

 

PS: My mother was unable to have children, until she adopted me, she then very

quickly fell pregnant with my brother...something to ponder!

 

Best Wishes,Wendy

 

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Dear Wendy,We are looking at the same chart but obviously you can see more than

I. Looking into this difficult case is an experience for me. I'm beginning to

understand the various contributors to a major childless problem in this

woman's life. She is so keen to be a mother that she is prepared to adopt a

child.When I said in my last text that Jupiter in her chart is not problematic

I should have said that Jupiter 'alone' is not the cause of her problem.

Jupiter is a problem for her, as you pointed out, because Jupiter is in a

dusthana. Both husband and wife have seen the best doctors and they are both

perfectly healthy. So the problem is a negative planetary influence which is

beyond their control. Or is it?Since I got an excellent result with another

childless couple (they were trying for six years) by getting them to chant

various dashavatara mantras, I'm also doing the same with this couple. I

believe the recitation of such powerful mantras can significantly minimize

negative planetary influences owing to previous impious acts. So this couple

are now chanting these mantras very enthusiastically every day. Let's see what

result is achieved in around six months or so. But as for the precise

astrological problem, Wendy you explained it as follows:

In this chart we see (along with Jupiter in dusthana) that both 5th lord and

Jupiter's dispositor are inimically placed in 6th house of obstruction (a

dusthana) and are receiving an aspect from Saturn, the planet of denial. So

there are several strong factors in this chart restricting children.It seems it

is the 'combined' several strong factors that are denying this couple a child.

Also, she has now just moved into major Saturn dasha and Saturn for her is

malefic, but Saturn on the placement scale is a friend to her, and this may

help a little. Wendy, you are a very experienced astrologer, would you conclude

from this lady's chart that there are just too many planetary negativities for

her to ever get a child? I ask you that because I'm not adept enough to say

definitely. All I know is that there are some obvious negative indications in

her chart (as you pointed out) and that for the last nine years she has had a

real (not physical) planetary obstacle to conceiving a child.My best

regardsArthur