Rohini

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Dear Cynthia

 

Another of your emails found to answer. By doing this revision for December i

came across one very interesting and important email which somehow i had missed

on the 14th. I have replied already.

 

<<I started with the notion that Rohini was the most wonderful placement for the

Moon. >>

 

I do not know what to say about this. My moon is in Rohini and although there

are people with this moon naksatra displaying a good karma, it seems that i got

all the bad karma myself. Well, i got good rewards in some aspects but in others

it can be hard as stones.

 

Regarding incest, no at all but maybe my moon in the 9th has protected me.

 

When young, i had a close frienship to 2 elders maternal cousins (1-2 years

older) that were a source of inspiration to me. I was stunned a few years ago

when i "discover" that both of them have the moon in Scorpio, the opposite sign

to my moon sign.

 

<<Anyway, the difficulty of this placement is that the person is either very

aware of the power of attraction over the opposite sex (it works for mentoo,

but most of my experience has been with women)

>>

 

Perhaps by being astrologer and having very stable relationships, i did have not

seeing this attraction.

 

<<or feel totally invisible as a person>>

 

I think that you have hit the nail with this one.

 

<<It is as if the myth of being hidden in the heavensis forever a part of them. >>

 

At one time i was a lot in the open but many times i felt invisible. Later on i

had to "dissapear" or "hide" due to circumstances beyond my control.

 

<<THey long to be "seen" for who they really arerather than what their shakti

can bring to another.>>

 

I do not know about this.

 

<<This even manifests in careers where they long to stand out but fear that in

so doing they willsomehow be attacked. >>

 

I take the risks and i am rarely attacked, but when attacked, careful.

 

<<BTW, this has been the case for many with thetransiting Saturn and Pluto dance>>

 

I think that you are right here. Saturn over my moon 30 years ago brought out a

lot of limitations, karmic payment and a change in direction. Now that Saturn

is hitting again, i am more prepared and cautious.

 

Pluto in transit on opposition to my Moon has definitely brought deep changes to

my environmnent or partners (7th from moon).

 

<<. When I see Rohini very strong I can spend most of the session talking about

the fear and desire to be seen for who they are.>>

 

Funny enough, in my experience i do not see many Rohinis or Leos around. I know

from a Rohini that years ago got hold of his own TV show and in due course was

initiated in the Brighu yantra. He is a good musician, plays the vina very

well, and the last time i heard from him he was very succesful as a Brighu

astrologer.

 

Of course, the background is important as well and other planetary positions,

and he never showed fearmaybe due to his Vaisnava education.

 

<<BTW, I have Mercury in Rohini. I did some talk radio and was told over and

over again how compelling my voice was. >>

 

Well, here we have the mixing of Mercury, Venus (Taurus) and Moon (Rohini).

These combination helps to blend an artistic communication to the minds.

 

Plus Mercury in 5th, it helps to be a good listener and sensitive like an

astrologer or psychologist. In general, it gives a good and sincere intention.

 

Have you tried to do some tapes talking poetry (Mer in Ta), with relaxing music

in the background like the sound of the sea on the beach or the sound of

waterfalls?

 

Ragards

natabara

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gjlist, "cynthia novak" <c.a.novak@w...> wrote:

>

> The gods hid Rohini in the heavens in Mrigashira to protect her

from her

> father's desire. There is an incest theme that runs through this

placement.

 

[ME]

Well! I just caught up on digests as I have been extremely busy

lately...and noticed that Cynthia is here on the list <grin>.

Welcome, Cynthia!

 

I have Moon in Rohini and Sun in Mrigashira both in 2nd house. I

have to confirm that I was such a victim of incest by my stepfather

who found me 'irresistible' from the day he came into my life when I

was about 10 yrs old. I tried to 'hide' as best I

could...play 'dead' and whatever I could to get away from him but

with each passing day his desire increased often treating me like a

girlfriend even in front of my mother and in public. He adopted me

and when I finally did get away from him at 16 yrs old...I found my

real dad and have a very strange love/hate relationship with him as

he seems to seek my 'presence' but does not want to know who is

inside the presence that he is so attracted to. The father issues

are very Neptunian (excuse me for being both Western and learning

Vedic Astrologer here)...meaning shrouded in fog, deceitful,

manipulative, addictive/addicting etc. Even my brother comes into my

life at times when I am 'single'..as all the family does...as if

to 'lay claim' to me and drag me back to wherever they are and

control me. "We own you now" is the theme. However I live 500 miles

away and have an answering service <grin> and have slowly

disentangled myself back out of the arachne web they seem to live

in. I am married to a highly ethical and very spiritual man who is

now adopting my two children. So far he hasn't gone berserk (first

one ever), maintained a fair attitude yet keeps me very close as if

in possible fear of losing me although he's relaxed a bit more these

last couple of years.

 

[you]

> As an astrologer I usually just tell the story and suggest that it

probably

> doesn't really apply to the client, only to see many become wide

eyed and

> reveal tale after tale. It is not just the Moon placement either.

One

> woman is a twin, Rohini and Venus, I believe on the Lagna. Both

were

> molested by their father. Another had Venus in Rohini in the 12th.

> Molested by a cousin and later by her dentist while under

anesthesia.

 

[me]

My lagna is in Bharani with Venus on the lagna in Asvini. I had a

twin that was born with me and my mother (a nurse from a family of

doctors 15 generations back to the American Revolution) said that it

was rather odd as the twin had stopped developing at about 3 months

along and was completely sealed off. So there ya go with the twin

theme.

 

[you]

>

> A couple had a compatibility session. She with Sun in Rohini in

the 10th.

> He had strong placements in Jyeshta (that's another story). I

asked him if

> he could deal with the fact that she was and will always be

attractive to

> other men. He was shocked. He was certain that she was forever

leading

> them on. She felt that men had always approached her and she was

just being

> friendly. When he came face-to-face that this would be part of

their lives

> forever it was a component for their breakup. I never tell anyone

whom they

> should be with, only try to uncover the challenges and let them

decide.

 

[me]

That's interesting because my present spouse who is Hispanic (I am

half Hispanic/Half British) used to be really 'Defcon oriented' when

I was 'just being friendly' in the first year of our relationship.

Defcon meaning Defcon 5, Defcon 4...etc....when the U.S. goes on red

alert <grin>. I had to patiently help him to see that just because a

person is friendly does not mean they are cheating or about to leave

and he used to swear that no one had evoked such feelings in him

before as he is very fair and gentle by nature. After we were

married, he relaxed and realized that I was as stable as I had always

stated. How sad that the idiot above was attracted to his wife for

the very same reasons he broke up with her about (her allure, Rohini

pheromones ...chemistry...etc)!

 

[you]

>

> One Rohini Moon woman was in a 27 year marriage that was very

difficult.

> LAter she came to realize the power of her attractiveness and

married very

> affluent men. The most recent in her late 70's. One young woman

was about

> to marry. One of her great difficulties in making the decision was

that she

> would, upon taking those vows, forever relinquish the gifts from

older men

> that had been a part of her history.

 

[me]

I was very aware of my ability to attract (and repel when I want)

from the time I was very little however my mother so abused her

abilities to attract and 'gain' through her beauty...as she was a

painter's model, extremely and I mean EXTREMELY beautiful, extremely

sexual and extremely mercenary...plus add to that how I had to

experience the sexual abuse I went through with my stepdad for about

7 years (the Kling-On as I used to call him...an Octopus with his

hands) that I became just as extreme in NOT abusing my abilities to

attract like some black widow spider and then 'kill' off an innocent

man when I was done with him. I am very shy (maybe it's my Sun)

about mating rituals (hee hee) yet this innocence, from what I am

told, is a powerful attractor although I don't see why. I dress

extremely conservatively, naturally covering myself from neck to foot

be it in palazzo silk pans and long shirt or a long dress or

whatever...I do not like attracting attention for my most painful

moments have come through attention...know what I mean? And I do not

like women in general because women have been instrumental in causing

me the most pain in my life from a very jealous boss who finds it

very painful to even look at me (she at about 350 pounds an Ugly with

a capital U and me at 120 pounds if you know what I mean) to my

mother who knew what my stepdad was doing and used it to her

advantage to take him for everything she could. I also find it

repugnant to see men and women 'flaunting' their wares at every

available moment...throwing the net out and fishing. Maybe it's

abuse or maybe it's the British conservatism that my grandmother

instilled in me from the earliest moment that i can remember up to my

stepdad's entrance...but I don't like 'display's' in public unless

it's a spouse. The 'traditional' side that I have is more than just

what I have been taught...it feels like a part of my soul as if I

have not been here for a couple of thousand years and came from a

time when only the man that you are bonded with has the right to

touch you in public...I dunno...that's just my inner nature. I am

very set in my ways. Realize that in Western Astro I have Ceres conj

Vesta conj Venus on my Asc and Venus is in perfect trine to Pluto in

my 5th house (conj Rahu ...cringe). Mother/Sacred Flame/Lover is all

one thing and it must be sacred as Western Astrologers who study

asteroids know that Vesta (virgin) is the archetype for the Sacred

Flame of hearth and home.

 

[you]

>

> Anyway, the difficulty of this placement is that the person is

either very

> aware of the power of attraction over the opposite sex (it works

for men

> too, but most of my experience has been with women) or feel totally

> invisible as a person. It is as if the myth of being hidden in the

heavens

> is forever a part of them. THey long to be "seen" for who they

really are

> rather than what their shakti can bring to another. This even

manifests in

> careers where they long to stand out but fear that in so doing they

will

> somehow be attacked.

 

[me]

Add to that a Mercury in Ardra <BIG GRIN> and you know what I can do

with the power of my tongue on a list and yes...I set myself up

for 'attacks' because of my extremely outspoken and stubborn nature.

Like a Samurai Warrior...I can slice people up sixteen ways to Sunday

with my tongue and stand there and laugh while they survey their body

parts one last moment before 'falling apart' in front of everyone's

eyes. If you don't know who I am...I'm SerraphimSong on the esoteric

list. Then I can choose to hide behind the Sun and disappear until

something else annoys me or interests me later. Yes I

feel 'invisible' by those who choose to not deal with me and shove me

into a corner rather than see the true self within me if they really

wanted to rather than get jealous and want to attack or destroy me.

I find that humans find it difficult to see 'the spirit behind the

words' or the 'spirit of the conversation' and prefer to nitpick

every point rather than look up at the horizon for the big picture.

This Saturn/Pluto transit has caused me to slow down my nature a

bit...I bend with the wind when I have to to survive however the

esoteric depths of this whole thing are only just being understood

somewhat by me. It's as if Saturn is holding the deer hostage from

behind (moon) while Pluto is the train bearing down on it with the

light shining in the deer's eyes rendering it helpless to the

transformation yet everything is slow motion so you have time to

think and ponder each Plutonian event that transpires. Actually I

see Pluto saying "is this really what you want? Do you want me to

replay this again with a different actor and movie? Do you want to

declare your boundaries or not?" Does that make sense? Realize this

is my 2nd/8th houses that are very affected.

 

Anyway...just had to confirm what you had said. I am a counselor in

social services, by the way and my greatest asset is listening and

making people feel comfortable enough to open up and express their

pain and thereby allowing that release to be cathartic for their

soul....all that despite my Ardra Merc. I know when to use it for

whatever purpose I wish as a lifetime of abuse and hard times has

taught me the power of words. One has to learn to think fast and

speak very carefully when one's life is threatened by an abusive

alcoholic parent who happens to be 6'4", 275 pounds and dangerous

when one is very little and on the 'hot seat'. I think the lesson of

an Ardra Merc is akin to the words of this song "You've got to know

when to hold up...know when to fold up...know when to walk away...and

know when to RUN!"

 

Renee

[Guest guest]

gjlist, "cynthia novak" <c.a.novak@w...> wrote:

> [c] How does she use this magnetism? I've seen this nak. be a

little

> greedy.

>

> I've also seen the power of attraction dominate the life and in a

sense

> stunt other development.

> Most seem to just enjoy flirting and little gifts like getting out

of a

> traffic ticket. It is most amazing to watch.

 

[me]

<Rolling eyes> Wonder if its the Saturn/Jupiter in Capricorn in the

10th that has always caused me to be disgusted with airhead behavior

like this (getting out of a traffic ticket...LOL) and I don't like

gifts because they usually come with 'strings' or 'payment

expected'. The only person that in my 40 years that I have ever been

comfortable giving me gifts is my present spouse who has more than

proven his unselfish and caring nature. That's how intense it's been

for moi.

 

[you]

>

> This

> > > is why in Hinduism and Islam the female body was fairly covered

to

> reduce

> > > the allurement .

>

> [c] I don't know about that. In the north they wear those baggy but

> beautiful dresses over pants, but I don't think there is much more

sensual

> than a vibrantly colored and beaded sari with rich bron-skin of the

midriff

> showing. They are always flattering, seem to require good posture

to keep

> them nicely placed and the scarfs are often so intricately

embroidered that

> they leave western clothing in the dust when it comes to feminine

> attraction. I haven't had the courage to go out in one, but I do

have

> several embroidered shawls and one sheer beaded bright fuscia one.

 

[me]

I think what's missing here in this cultural habit is that it used to

be considered by some people long ago that 'less is more' and an aura

of mystique and allurement ...of 'promises made' with one's eyes

(think of the use of fans in Europe for many years, the long dresses

covering the ankles..e.tc) was far more attractive and an 'art' that

had to be developed over time...a mysterious beauty...very Neptunian

and very Venusian in a graceful way. Yes...I agree that maybe due to

paranoia about one's property <women>...the idea of covering up

something so precious in order to preserve the family line literally

and biologically came into being however women...being who they are

by nature..restless and flirtatious...developed other ways of

attracting that seem to be disappearing at least in America in the

last 100 years. I find that very sad.

 

Yet on the other hand.... while we're on the subject here think about

how women have been cloistered away in one way or another up until

the what...1920's and 30's in America (don't know where else..maybe

some of modern Europe at that time). Throughout most cultures the

clothing that women have had to wear has been physically inhibiting

and by that I mean that it would be difficult for women to 'run' away

or 'see' or whatever (sort of like declawing your cat...they can't

defend themselves and then become housebound)from the outfit of the

Afhganistan women where they can't even see very well (no see..no run)

to the hoopskirts of the South in the early 1800's where there were

so many layers of clothing (corset, pinafores, slips, high top boots

that one had to lace or button and they covered the ankles)

etc....very restricting clothing. In China amongst high born women

for eons of time, young girls had their feet bound at a very early

age...their toes and front part of their foot slowly flipped under

and bound so that their foot would be 'smaller'...hideous...yet

effective in inhibiting a woman's ability to 'get around'...let alone

the clothing. And need we bring up female castration as another way

to 'control' women and their need for allure, pleasure etc.? How

about the practice of the Suttee or Settee (sp?)where a widow throws

herself on her spouse's funeral pyre in India that was outlawed some

time ago but the practice still has been reported as going on in some

parts from time to time? It's only been in the last 80 years or so

in America and some parts of Europe that women have finally been a

little freer in NOT wearing inhibiting clothing, covering themselves,

hiding their light or at least have the choice to what their own

personal style can be.....as well as the right to equal opportunity

and equal education. I may be conservative but I defend my

daughter's right to dress more outrageously when she's an adult and

on her own <grin>.

 

Renee

[Guest guest]

Dear Renee

 

Of course I could tell who you were. Glad to see you here.

 

Regarding a few of your comments. One of the Rohini stories is about

Chandra, the Moon who married all 27 sisters. He was so taken with Rohini

that he lingered in her mansion. The other sisters were angry and turned to

their father Daksha who turned to (can't remember....help). Anyway, the

Moon was made very ill. Eventually they saw what a calamity this was

causing in the heavens so Chandra now must wax and wane. He cannot linger

in Rohini no matter how much he wants to.

 

So, the spouse on Defcon is rather like Chandra, in order to get on with

life you have to trust and keep going.

 

What were you mother's primary nakshatras? This I would love to know.

There are some that are pretty mercenery.

 

Regarding the clothing...hey, Rohini just radiates "it" whatever "it" may be

and doesn't need to dress sexy. The rest of us need all the help we can get

<big grins>.

 

I've seen several Rohini Moons who have round, full-Moon faces that seem to

glow with great skin. One, the one who didn't want to give up the presents,

was an aesthetician. What a marketing ploy, come for a facial and you'll

glow like me!

 

Anyway, glad to see you here. We are nearly done with the house repairs,

I've just got one bathroom and some baseboards left to paint. What on Earth

will I do with that energy next?!?

[Guest guest]

What were you mother's primary nakshatras? This I would love to know.

There are some that are pretty mercenery.

Mom's nakshatra's:

Lagna: 05 Scorp 52' = Anuradha

Mars at 4 Scorp 26' = Anuradha

Venus at 00 Scorp 46' = Vishakha

Saturn 16 Cap 51' rx = Shravana (3rd house)

Rahu 04 Aqua 49' Rx = Dhanishtha (4th house)

Moon 13 Aries 28' = Aswini but right on division between Aswini/Bharani in 6th house

(Uranus at 03 Aries 02' Rx = Aswini)

(Chiron 10 Taurus 47' Rx = Rohini but seconds away from Krittika in 7th house)

(Pluto at 1 Cancer 44' = Punarvasu in 9th house)

Ketu 4 Leo 49' Rx = Magha in 10th house

(Neptune 18 Leo 10' = Purvaphalguni in 10th)

Jupiter 12 Virgo 34' = Hasta in 11th

Sun at 19 Virgo 07' = Hasta

Mercury at 5 Libra 47' = Chitra but nearing Svati in 12th

This I gotta hear...which Nakshatra's are known for having a tendency to being

mercenary? And how does it work with two placements in one house with two

different nakshatra's next to each other like that? Does one overshadow the

other depending on the malefic or benefic nature of the placements? And how

does it work when a placement in a nakshatra is right at the end or at the

beginning of a nakshatra? In Western we sometimes think of planets 'flip

flopping' when they are at that critical 29th degree of a sign. Does it work

the same in nakshatra's? Also my mom's nodes and mine are reversed which in

Western esoteric astro can mean that "where she's been...I am going and where

I've been ...she is going"...her Rahu is my Ketu (as far as sign and degree).

Wonder what the lesson is in Vedic for that idea. And....in Vedic synastry

they put an emphasis on men and women with different moon in nakshatra

positions either marrying or not marrying due to those placements. What do you

feel about that?

Thanks...

Renee