NAKSATRAS ROHINI

[Guest guest]

Dear Chris

 

<<I really don't appreciate the rude tone of your reply, particularly since

Ihave said nothing in my original post that might be considered offensive.I

simply asked what significant changes occurred in 1999. Sorry to have upset

you.>>

 

I am very soory if i have offended you. But my mexican nature is sometimes

difficult to control and i answer like a ping pong player.

 

<<I like the fact that you are trying to synthesise western with eastern

traditions here. >>

 

However, i did not like this remark. But i apologise because i should be more

careful in reading the intentions of people before i answer.

 

The internet is a wonderful media but i have to learn to take into consideration

that in daily life, we get used to "read" the body language that goes with the

words. The internet at present only allows writing which can be misunderstood.

Much more when English is not our mother tongue and national conditionments are

different to understand.

I took this as a way of "clever" remark. Although i had studied western

astrology in the past, since i have been into vedic, i never try to mix both.

And i do not have time at all for western.

 

<<And the fixed stars don't ever get mentioned in vedic astrology, so that's

also intriguing>>

 

This also was off hand. Now i realise that instead of attacking, i could have

been more explicit. My answer perhaps was due to understanding that sometimes

those in the "know" try to "correct" when in fact there is a lack of facts in

their part.

 

I had in the past received letter with a similar attitude. One day a guy told

me that he was not satisfied with one of my readings because it was incomplete,

and that i should had take into considerations some redundant calculations.

That was his approach to vedic astrology but not mine.

 

<<However, I'm a little puzzled how1999 represented a "drastic change in human

history". What happened thatwas so Plutonic?>>

 

This to me was like the guy in the street that is saying "show me the plutonic influences".

 

One day in 1989, the british government was offering a grant for a year (some

£2,000) to new businesses that do not break 5 principles.

 

1 No political

2 No Pornography

3 No gambling

4 Has the back up of tax payers

5 No divination

 

Once i have done all the paper work, i applied for the grant because vedic

astrology as a science has nothing to do with those "faults".

 

The bureaucrat in charge told me that in their "black" list they did nor approve

astrology. I wonder why they never showed that "black" list to the public.

 

To probe them wrong i went into the streets to rise 3,000 signatures to give to the PM in London.

 

One day i went to university thinking that students were going to be

co-operative. But one of them refused to sign the petition because as a good

Catholic, he was against astrologers.

 

I was stunned by his "liberal" attitude but in the end i got the needed support

but the secretary to the PM wrote to me a letter on her behalf saying that she

could understand my position and that she wished me success but unfortunately,

she could not say yes to a cause that implied a political refusal.

 

So now that you reply i can understand your point better but i have to say that

for a mexican like me

i took your email as offensive. As i said i apologise again but i saw it

offensive at that time.

 

<<I simply asked what significant changes occurred in 1999. Sorry to have upset

you. >>

 

You have already clarified your position and regarding the plutonic changes.

Well, it is going to take a few years to flourish and history is going to

explain later.

 

If we go backwards to see what Pluto has done in 1751. We find the beginning of

the Industrial revolution. And in 1503, the beginning of the American

continent's conquest.

 

1999 is like the beginning to the end of this petrolcivilization. An American

politician (i do not remember who) wrote a book long ago about how the raw

materials are running out.

 

He said that thanks to the military and NASA, mines around the world have

extracted raw materials to satisfy their demand for oil, aluminium, gold, zinc

etc. Due to this demand and as a secundary client, the big corporations have

profited as well making cars, fridges, tv's, etc. Together, they have made

profitable the extraction of those materials (Pluto). But those raw materials

have an end and it is going to be very expensive or impossible to extract them

soon.

 

About 40 years ago, we heard that there was enough oil to last for 40 more

years. Now, we hear again the same story but this time it is the end.

 

>From now on we will see the powerful countries (Industrialized) going for grabs.

All this to satisfy the demand of some unlucky of us that have to travel 1-2

hours to work and then back and to satisfy our comforts.

 

Instead of building a society based on renovable materials, present politicians

have gone for a society based on machines and oil. All this on the name of

power and exploitation.

 

Their lack of vision or care means a collapse of this present civilization as we know it.

 

Look at the changes from 1503 to 1751 and we will see a new direction to be

taken between 1999 and 2046.

 

Best wishes

Natabara Das

[Guest guest]

Dear Natabara,

 

Thanks for your kind and understanding reply. It's certainly true that

email isn't the best for of communication ever invented. Let's try to

avoid such incidents in the future. I certainly didn't mean to offend you

with my remarks, I just interpreted what you were doing as blending east

and west. To me, this is a good thing to be commended, altough I accept

that not everyone may feel this way.

 

Just a quick point on 1999 here. It just seems a bit arbitrary to pinpoint

a single year and say that was a turning point. Usually historical changes

occur over many years, although individual events can hasten or mark the

change. Just look at the potential for 2001 to be such a watershed given

the terrorist attack on the USA. Some astrologers have tried to link these

long term historical changes to the movement of the planets, most commonly

the movement of the planets through the constellations. So Pluto in

Scorpio is supposedly going to be a most portentous time and so forth. I;m

pretty skeptical about it only because it all sorts of things in human

history can be found in every epoch. With all sorts of things going on at

the same time, it's hard to pin it down. For example, could we figure out

which is the "correct" zodiac, tropical or sidereal, on the basis on

looking at the history of the world and the passage of the planets through

the constellations? I doubt it very much. That shouldn't stop us from

trying of course, but I like to keep an open mind about things and examine

things for myself. It's just my style, that's all.

 

hasta,

Chris

 

PS Glad to hear you're recovering well.

 

 

At 07:53 AM 12/22/01 -0000, natabara wrote:

> Dear Chris <<I really don't appreciate the rude tone of your reply,

>particularly since I

>have said nothing in my original post that might be considered offensive.

> >> But my mexican nature is sometimes difficult to control and i

>answer like a ping pong player. <<>> However, i did not like this

>remark. But i apologise because i should be more careful in reading the

>intentions of people before i answer. Much more when English is not

>our mother tongue and national conditionments are different to understand.

>

> And i do not have time at all for western. <<>> My answer

>perhaps was due to understanding that sometimes those in the "know" try to

>"correct" when in fact there is a lack of facts in their part. That

>was his approach to vedic astrology but not mine. <<However, I'm a

>little puzzled how

> What happened that

>>> This to me was like the guy in the street that is saying "show me the

>plutonic influences". 5 principles. 1 No political 2 No Pornography 3

>No gambling 4 Has the back up of tax payers 5 No divination Once i have

>done all the paper work, i applied for the grant because vedic astrology

>as a science has nothing to do with those "faults". I wonder why they

>never showed that "black" list to the public. To probe them wrong i went

>into the streets to rise 3,000 signatures to give to the PM in London.

>a good Catholic, he was against astrologers. I was stunned by his

>"liberal" attitude but in the end i got the needed support but the

>secretary to the PM wrote to me a letter on her behalf saying that she

>could understand my position and that she wished me success but

>unfortunately, she could not say yes to a cause that implied a political

>refusal. So now that you reply i can understand your point better but i

>have to say that for a mexican like me As i said i apologise again but

>i saw it offensive at that time. << >> it is going to take a few

>years to flourish and history is going to explain later. And in 1503,

>the beginning of the American continent's conquest. 1999 is like the

>beginning to the end of this petrol

> (i do not remember who) wrote a book long ago about how the raw

>materials are running out. But those raw materials have an end and it

>is going to be very expensive or impossible to extract them soon. Now,

>we hear again the same story but this time it is the end. All this to

>satisfy the demand of some unlucky of us that have to travel 1-2 hours to

>work and then back and to satisfy our comforts. All this on the name

>of power and exploitation. Their lack of vision or care means a collapse

>of this present civilization as we know it. Look at the changes from

>1503 to 1751 and we will see a new direction to be taken between 1999 and

>2046. Best wishes Natabara Das

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> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

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