Chris and Natabara

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Dear Chris

>I really don't appreciate the rude tone of your reply, particularly since I

>have said nothing in my original post that might be considered offensive.

>I simply asked what significant changes occurred in 1999. Sorry to have

>upset you.

>

>Chris

 

You may have got off lightly .Consider this post by the same author

 

Savant

 

"natabara" <natabara@n...>

Fri Dec 7, 2001 4:39 am

GH 3

 

 

 

Hi Dharmapada

 

<<I have studied the books of Dr. Raman for a couple of decades and the way

he interprets. I have studied The Astrological Magazine for a couple of

decades, too, including the way in which veteran

astrologers go about their thought process as they explain astrological

rationale, >>

 

It is a misconception to think that the student of a great man is also

great.

 

We have seen in the past and present that this rule is not valid and that

some students use and abuse that rule.

 

We all have the propensities to make errors.

 

We all also have the potential to input a wrong lagna on a person.

 

We have seen the debate about Capricorn or Sagittarius lagna for Prabhupada.

Both sides put astrological arguments and none can convince the other

side.

 

Astro arguments will continue and astrologers will continue to propose

different lagnas according to their beliefs, knowledge or intentions.

 

<<I've spoken at length with two nurses who have worked in maternity wards.

One of them told me that the birth times are not so perfectly recorded. This

takes away from the usefulness of divisional charts in the first place

because the divisional ascendents move on and off the horizon within a

matter of minutes. >>

 

Well, regarding midwives, i was present at the birth of my 2 children and i

know about their time keeping. It can be a guess sometimes, a matter of

burocracy to feel the papers.

 

I asked to a nurse about the standards of practices of midwives in Britain,

regarding the birth time and i got this email:

 

<<Re time of birth, the midwives take it from when the whole body is out.

they take that as time of birth and then time when the baby breathes (it

might not and they need to know how long it is before it does for

resuscitation purposes), but that is not defined as birth time.>>

 

According to Srila Prabhupada, quoting vedic standards, he says that the

time of birth is the time when the umbilical cord is severed.

 

Between the appearance of the whole body and the cutting of the umbilical

cord, time is relative according to each case. Therefore, correction of

birth time is here invited.

 

 

<<This takes away from the usefulness of divisional charts>>

 

I disagree, because those divisions can reduce the span of time in a

correction of birth time.

 

<<Another one told me that a spurt of children can be born during the same

time period, then during a different period, maybe even during the same

night, only a few births spaced apart.>>

 

I have heard that mother earth "pulsates" and causes the birth of humans

once every 4 minutes.

 

<<As far as dispositors are concerned, they are not emphasized at all in the

classic literature the way that placement in dushthanas are..>>

 

We can not claim that we have or have read all of the classic literature.

Lord brahma expanded the vedas from only 4 seed lines.

 

According to the Oxford Paperback Dictionary, dispose means: "DETERMINES THE

COURSE OF EVENTS; man proposes, God disposes".

 

If you study the horoscope of Lord Chaitanya, you can see that Saturn is in

its enemy sign of Scorpio and Venus in Aries. But their dispositor Mars is

exalted in the 6th house. The exaltation of Mars gives strenght to both

Saturn and Venus.

 

In the case of George Harrison, Jupiter is in Gemini in the 9th house and

his dispositor Venus is exalted in the 6th house.

 

That combination gave to George an attachment for spiritual values and

service. The influence of Krishna as the Supreme Person can be seen in many

of his songs. Have you heard "My Sweet Lord, which is going to be

re-released for this Christmas?"

 

<<It is my contention that the ascendent lord, Venus and the lord of

the house of properties in the most evil houses of the horoscope

preclude the possibility of Libra beingthe ascendent of George

Harrison, the millionare musician. >>

 

 

Then what you say about the horoscope of Lord Chaitanya. Mars is in the 6th

house and Mercury is in the 8th which according to you those houses are the

most evil houses.

 

In that horoscope, Mars is exalted and Mercury although debilitated achieves

the following rule and gets cancellation of debilitation or

necha-bhanga-raja-yoga, which gives fruits similar to exaltation.

 

When the Host and the Lord of the Exaltation Sign of the Debilitated Planet

are in mutual Kendras from each other.

 

In this case, Mercury is debilitated but his host Jupiter is in a kendra to

Mercury which is the lord of exaltation of the debilitated planet..

 

<<I wrote the page where the legislative history behind the time

observance in Britain is posted. The owner of the site responded as

below. >>

 

First, the owner of that site is not astrologer. The makers of the Time

Tables were or are astrologers and they have done already their homework.

Why you dont ask to Doris Chase about her research.

 

Second, the astrologer to George did already a research about the correction

to the birth time.

 

>Yes, any astrologer finds what he is looking for. If you are

looking for Virgo, you will find Virgo and if you are looking for

Libra you will find Libra.

 

Natabara,>

 

<<What on Earth are you saying?>>

 

Dharmapada, i may be recovering from my illness but thanks to Krishna my

brain is intact and i know very well what i am saying.

 

In the case of Prabhupada's lagna, those that are looking for Capricorn are

finding that lagna and those looking for Sagittarius as well. The

difference is that Sagittarius lagna is more revealing. But in the end it

is a matter of opinion and everyone is free to say what they like according

to their studies, knowledge or conveniences.

 

<<Honest, Vedic astrology logic will lead

to one result and not another.>>

 

What is logic prabhu? Many "vedic" leaders in the past gave their "logic"

and in the end they were found that they were cheating their followers.

 

<< I have justified my statements by properly applying astrological logic,

and you brush aside the things I have presented as just so much jockeying

for position. >>

 

Prabhu, your astro logic is not my logic. If i had followed the logic of

those vedic cheaters, i would be in hell by now. And regarding position, I

do not need it thanks to Krishna, i am happy to work for donations and i do

not need to "protect or defend" my faulty authorship.

 

<<I feel really let down. >>

 

Why?, because you cannot sell your virgo lagna to those that are telling you

that it is Libra?

 

>I find that Libra rising for GH is the right one. Fell free to

follow any you want.>

><<Virgo generally gives timid, reserved or shy characters>>

 

>I can mention to you more than 10 persons with Virgo rising that

are not at all like you describe avobe, including myself. Well, you

may say, generally and i am bot following the rule but maybe also GH.

 

<<I have mentioned before that it is difficult to justify one choice or

the other on the basis of personality because there is so much room

for confusion and interpretation. But some concrete event, such as

the possession of property, is the kind of thing that can be pinned

down. One can see if there is anything astrological to justify an

event or possession, and then it becomes a matter of yes or no. >>

 

Yes, i agree with that, provided that we have the eyes to see.

 

<<I am thinking that you are not following the logic so well; you

slough it all off and talk about personalities.>>

 

I think that i am following the logic and intentions very well. And by the

way, i gave the answer about personalities to Rajan according to his

"logic".

 

Best wishes

natabara

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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