NAKSATRAS ROHINI

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Dear Cynthia

 

<<Pluto transits cannot be ignored. Certainly Parashara would have used a

telescope if one were available, wouldn't he?>>

 

One of my vedic astrology teachers while in his 80's told me that the outer

planets play an important role for generations.

 

For example, the oposition of Uranus/ Pluto to Saturn for 1960's generation.

 

A research can tell interesting results.

 

I have to say that the outers were known as the dweelings of Indra, Varuna and Yama.

 

According to the vedas, there are parliamentary buildings on those planets, to

discuss, legislate and execute the needs for this cosmic manifestation

according to the engagement and duties of each demigod.

 

Some may say that if that is the case, then why we do not get pictures of those buildings.

 

One answer is that scientists and politicians are known for their lies and cover ups.

 

Even if they get some pictures, they will not rock the boat. And their

materialistic machines are not fit enough to see higher manifestation of

energies.

 

The grahas are centers of energies just like cars. But behind them are drivers

and those demigods are powerful and useful in the cosmic management.

 

Some astrologers may not take the outers claiming different rules. My answer is

that the american president may be surrounded by the walls of the white house

but nevertheless his influence touches every corner of the planet. Those walls

do not restric his influences.

 

My feeling is that every astrologer is free to practice. Even if we are wrong

we are free to make our own mistakes. Restricting others is not good, everyone

is driving his/her own body. We can only give advise, others run the risks at

their own choice.

 

Some other astrologers may say that the outers are not mentioned in classical

treaties. My answer to that is that we only have about 10% of the vedic

jyotish books ever written. Either we have to wait for the appearance of the

other 90% or we follow the oral tradition as given by old Jyotishis.

 

<<Let us not forget that Pluto is in Jyeshta the eldest wife>>

 

This naksatra is called so because of the star of that name. This star is at

15°34 Scorpio and is opposite to Aldebaran (Rohini) which is at 15°55 Taurus.

 

In old cultures like the Persians, 4 stars were the corners of the sky. They

were Jyestha, Rohini, Purva Phalguni and Satabisha.

 

Jyestha is at the heart of the sign of Scorpio, the sign of Pluto. Pluto takes

some 248 years to make a conjunction with this star and when that happens,

Pluto is Vargottama.

 

In 1999, Pluto did that conjunction 3 times and indicated a drastic change in

human society as we can study from history.

 

The conjunction of Jupiter with Saturn may indicate a cycle of 20 years but the

conjunction of Pluto with the star of Yjestha happens once every 248 years.

 

<<The belief that the West is too attached to material desires? >>

 

I would say the whole world. Only few people are detached from material

desires. In our real essence, we are 100% pure. That is the essence of the

soul. But once the soul enters thanu, the body, the raising sign, becomes the

driver of the material body. Within a material body, the soul has the tendency

to become conditioned or in illusion that the soul is the material body.

 

Conditionements are very strong, some are good and some are bad. The learning

of how to cross the street is a conditionment for survival and it is good, the

learning that we are beautiful (as told to us by our parents) is illusion.

Anger, greed, envy, lust etc are simptoms of material desires and a false ego.

The bigger our ego, the bigger our material desires. The bigger the ego, the

less we can understand spiritual values.

 

<<Surely the ability to see the outer planets plays a part in astrology >>

 

We are told that one of our spiritual masters in the Vaisnava parampara,

Bhaktissidhanta Sarasvati, re-discovered Pluto long before the west did. But

he was not after material glory and did not make any propaganda about it.

 

For what i can understand from some of my astrology teachers is that vedic

astrologers use the outers with discretion.

 

I notice that you have practiced western astrology. I did the same for 6 years

before coming across vedic astrology. I studied the texts of Barbault and

Volguine.

 

Best wishes

natabara

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Natabara,

Your mention of the outer planets reminded of an article by

a Dr. Vartak that

dated the Mahabharata war at a far earlier date than generally accepted.

He

mentioned that the outer planets were known even at that time as

Shveta,

Shyama and Teevra (Ur,Ne,Pl respectively). You can see the text of his

very

long article on his 5561 B.C. rectified date at:

http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoftruth/archives/miscarticles/tsdotmw.html

At 10:55 AM 12/18/01 +0000, you wrote:

Dear

Cynthia

 

<<Pluto transits cannot be

ignored. Certainly Parashara would have used a telescope if one

were available, wouldn't he?>>

 

One of my vedic astrology

teachers while in his 80's told me that the outer planets play an

important role for generations.

 

For example, the oposition of

Uranus/ Pluto to Saturn for 1960's generation.

 

A research can tell interesting

results.

 

I have to say that the outers

were known as the dweelings of Indra, Varuna and Yama.

 

According to the vedas, there

are parliamentary buildings on those planets, to discuss, legislate and

execute the needs for this cosmic manifestation according to the

engagement and duties of each demigod.

 

Some may say that if that is the

case, then why we do not get pictures of those buildings.

 

One answer is that scientists

and politicians are known for their lies and cover ups.

 

Even if they get some pictures,

they will not rock the boat. And their materialistic machines are

not fit enough to see higher manifestation of energies.

 

The grahas are centers of

energies just like cars. But behind them are drivers and those

demigods are powerful and useful in the cosmic management.

 

Some astrologers may not take

the outers claiming different rules. My answer is that the american

president may be surrounded by the walls of the white house but

nevertheless his influence touches every corner of the planet.

Those walls do not restric his influences.

 

My feeling is that every

astrologer is free to practice. Even if we are wrong we are free to

make our own mistakes. Restricting others is not good, everyone is

driving his/her own body. We can only give advise, others run the

risks at their own choice.

 

Some other astrologers may say

that the outers are not mentioned in classical treaties. My answer

to that is that we only have about 10% of the vedic jyotish books ever

written. Either we have to wait for the appearance of the other 90%

or we follow the oral tradition as given by old Jyotishis.

 

<<Let us not forget that

Pluto is in Jyeshta the eldest wife>>

 

This naksatra is called so

because of the star of that name. This star is at 15°34 Scorpio and

is opposite to Aldebaran (Rohini) which is at 15°55 Taurus.

 

In old cultures like the

Persians, 4 stars were the corners of the sky. They were Jyestha,

Rohini, Purva Phalguni and Satabisha.

 

Jyestha is at the heart of the

sign of Scorpio, the sign of Pluto. Pluto takes some 248 years to

make a conjunction with this star and when that happens, Pluto is

Vargottama.

 

In 1999, Pluto did that

conjunction 3 times and indicated a drastic change in human society as we

can study from history.

 

The conjunction of Jupiter with

Saturn may indicate a cycle of 20 years but the conjunction of Pluto with

the star of Yjestha happens once every 248 years.

 

<<The belief that the West

is too attached to material desires? >>

 

I would say the whole

world. Only few people are detached from material desires. In

our real essence, we are 100% pure. That is the essence of the

soul. But once the soul enters thanu, the body, the raising sign,

becomes the driver of the material body. Within a material body,

the soul has the tendency to become conditioned or in illusion that the

soul is the material body.

 

Conditionements are very strong,

some are good and some are bad. The learning of how to cross the

street is a conditionment for survival and it is good, the learning that

we are beautiful (as told to us by our parents) is illusion. Anger,

greed, envy, lust etc are simptoms of material desires and a false

ego. The bigger our ego, the bigger our material desires. The

bigger the ego, the less we can understand spiritual values.

 

<<Surely the ability to

see the outer planets plays a part in astrology >>

 

We are told that one of our

spiritual masters in the Vaisnava parampara, Bhaktissidhanta Sarasvati,

re-discovered Pluto long before the west did. But he was not after

material glory and did not make any propaganda about it.

 

For what i can understand from

some of my astrology teachers is that vedic astrologers use the outers

with discretion.

 

I notice that you have practiced

western astrology. I did the same for 6 years before coming across

vedic astrology. I studied the texts of Barbault and

Volguine.

 

Best wishes

natabara

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

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Dear Natabara,

 

<<>> This star is at 15°34 Scorpio and is opposite to

>Aldebaran (Rohini) which is at 15°55 Taurus. They were Jyestha, Rohini,

>Purva Phalguni and Satabisha. Pluto takes some 248 years to make a

>conjunction with this star and when that happens, Pluto is Vargottama.

>In 1999, Pluto did that conjunction 3 times and indicated a drastic change

>in human society as we can study from history.

 

I like the fact that you are trying to synthesize western with eastern

traditions here. And the fixed stars don't ever get mentioned in vedic

astrology, so that's also intriguing. However, I'm a little puzzled how

1999 represented a "drastic change in human history". What happened that

was so Plutonic?

 

regards,

Chris

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Dear Natabara,

 

I really don't appreciate the rude tone of your reply, particularly since I

have said nothing in my original post that might be considered offensive.

I simply asked what significant changes occurred in 1999. Sorry to have

upset you.

 

Chris

 

 

. I won't At 09:55 AM 12/20/01 -0000, natabara wrote:

> Dear Chris <<I like the fact that you are trying to synthesise

>western with eastern

>>> You have failed badly this time because it was not my intention "to

>synthesise western with eastern

>traditions here". <<>> It is obvious that you have not read my posting

>were i wrote that we only have about a 10% of all the Sanskrit Vedic

>astrology texts ever produced, and that nobody can claim either having read

>or having all of them. Or read the 5th canto of the Srimad

>Bhagavatam under the guidance of a teacher, and see that the outers and

>constellations are mentioned. If this is the case please accept my

>respects from far away because nobody can claim that, only pretenders or

>cheaters. <<However, I'm a little puzzled how

> What happened that

>>> Both misleading the public to satisfy their interests. Or you

>want to see an official letter from Lord Brahma directed to you telling

>you about those changes?. Scholars can study those changes happening on

>humanity every 250 years by studying history and including the cover ups.

>

> Astrologically, Pluto mean a drastic change among other things but with

>your sceptical attitude it would be a waste of time on my part to try to

>"convince" you or to tell you some astrological truths. Time

>wasters. Best regards Natabara Das

>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

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