George Harrison's wealth using Libra Asc

[Guest guest]

Hello All:

 

One of the important puzzles of using Libra for GH is the apparent lack of

wealth producing yogas and favourable positions of key planets. 2L Mars is

in the 3rd, albeit receiving Jupiter's aspect and Rahu is in the 11th with

its dispositor Sun in the 5th. 11L Sun is with Ketu. Some good things

there for sure, but it falls far short of a chart of someone who is one of

the wealthiest persons in Britain. As always, one has to consult the

appropriate varga chart, in this case, the D-2 Hora chart.

 

As some of you know, I'm a keen supporter of exact varga positions of

planets. To me, they help refine an analysis of key planets and give depth

to our understanding of the chart. In GH's Hora chart, there are some

beautifully exact contacts between planets and cusps, that I feel DO

account for his extreme wealth.

 

First off, we should note what the key points are going to be before

undertaking our analysis. As is customary, the 2nd and 11th houses are

important in any discussion of wealth. Similarly the 2nd and 11th house

cusps become sensitive points. Any planetary contact with these points

will strongly influence the wealth outcome of a native. I should note here

that I normally use the Alcabitius house system, but for the purposes of

this discussion, I have used the more commonly used Sripati system. In

practice, there is little difference between the two systems, usually one

or two degrees.

 

For this discussion, I will be using GH's 11.52 chart. I have browsed the

chart using various progressions for key events in his life, and it is

reasonable enough, certainly it is correct within a few minutes. So to

outline our parameters, the rashi Ascendant is 7Li12 (all positions

krishnamurti), the 2nd house cusp is 11Sc00, and the 11th cusp is 14Le48.

We also will want to pay special attention to the 2nd house lord Mars

28Sg26 and 11th house lord Sun 12Aq30. In addition, contacts with the

karakas for wealth, Jupiter 22Ge35 and secondarily, Venus 6Pi21.

 

Now, the D-2 hora chart gives us an Asc of 14Ar24 (which is calculated

simply by multiplying the rashi Asc by 2 and removing multiples of 360),

the derived 2nd house cusp is 22Ge00, and the derived 11th house cusp is

29Sg36. Because these are sensitive points, any contacts to these points

will magnify wealth effects. So what do we see?

 

Right off the bat, look at the contacts between the derived Hora cusps and

the rashi planetary positions.

The derived 2nd house cusp 22Gemini00 is within *one degree* of rashi

Jupiter 22Gemini35. This is a very powerful contact for promoting wealth.

I've noticed that the most intense effects are usually seen when contacts

are less than 2 degrees. The other incredible contact is that the derived

11th house cusp 29Sg36 is also in very close conjunction to the rashi 2nd

house lord Mars 28Sg26. To me, these are very powerful contacts for wealth

-- hidden dhana yogas, if you will.

 

There are other contacts that one could point to as well. D-2 Venus

12Aq43, a secondary karaka for wealth, is exactly conjunct the rashi 11th

house lord Sun 12Aq30. This is another big boost for income and wealth.

We could also note the relative proximity by opposition aspect of both D-2

Venus and rashi 11L Sun to the rashi 11th cusp 14Le48. It's just a little

over two degrees so it's not super strong, but still close enough to be

noteworthy. Another interesting contact is between the D-2 Ascendant

14Ar24 and the rashi 11th house cusp 14Le48. This is admittedly more

speculative, but such cusp-to-cusp contacts between rashi and varga charts

bear watching in the the future.

 

Note here I have not considered the Hora D-2 chart as a stand alone chart

and have therefore avoided mention of Hora house lords. It's possible one

could do this and I know some who do, but just to keep things as delimited

and unspeculative as possible, I've only noted lordships in the rashi chart

and how they translate into the varga chart. Having said that, I know some

members will consider this all too speculative and that's fine. I've only

attempted to show how I go about incorporating varga charts with the rashi.

To my mind, this makes sense but everyone has to make their own decision

about it. Needless to say, an analysis of the rashi chart alone isn't

sufficient to tease out everything that is contained within a horoscope. I

think the above analysis of Harrison's chart shows how much of his wealth

karma can only be seen in reference to his Hora chart.

 

regards,

Chris

[Guest guest]

Christopher,

 

I thought that since Robert and I each said our last words, that that

would be the end of it. But since we never traded comments, I guess

that I would like to do so with you. I will makea comment, basically

something that I told Robert, and I invite you to reply. Keep in mind

that that will probably be my last comment, though, so make your

comment accordingly.

 

What I see in the classic literature, such as Jataka Parijata, is

that the varga charts are secondary to the birth chart. You are

coming right out and saying that something isn't there in the birth

chart, but that there is justification in the varga chart. This is

theopposite from the way I see things stressed and emphasized in the

classic literature.

 

Once you put varga chart near or on the same level as the birth

chart, you introduce so many factors that you could practically

justify anythingunderthe Sun. If I exaggerate, it isn'tby much.

 

I'm thinking that a lot of new people get influenced without having

absorbed the tradtional way. You people might be taking a whole

generation of new astrologers off on a tangent before they ever get

started, and this worries me.

 

Not only do I not see this over-emphasis in the traditional

literature, but the mainstream communities of astrologers who receive

the norms of interpretation and techniques from previous generations,

do not interpret like you all do.

 

What else can I say? For the mement, I'll just say that I am

concerned about this. I would hate to see Vedic astrology begin to

deviate from this time onwards, and become something else in the

future.

 

Dharmapada

[Guest guest]

Hi Christopher,

 

Just want to add, that, Ketu is the 2L...and it is conjoined with 11L

in 5H(Lakshmi Sthana). This is a Dhana Yoga.

 

The other way to determine Financial potential is the Hora Lagna.

Notice HL is in Taurus, its lord Venus exalted in 11H in Pi with 36

bindus and Venus contributing 5bindus.

 

Taurus also houses Ghati Lagna(GL) or the seat of power & authority.

Its lord once agian is Ve exalted in Pi!!!!

 

If we take the 5th star from Moon(Utpanna Tara) which has 3 planets

in quadrants to it, Venus Dasa(Utpana Vimsottari Dasa) ran from 1949-

1969.

 

This was the time-frame during which GH shot to fame and reached the

pinnacle of his career. Being the lord of lagna, hora

lagna, ghati lagna and sree lagna, Venus is a very important planet

in this chart. He is exalted and occupies in Paravatamsa (6/16). He

is a maha yogada and promises money and fame both. He has 5 rekhas in

AV and his sign Pi has the highest number of rekhas in SAV - 36. No

wonder Venus dasa brought success.

 

 

This Dasa is followed by Sun till November 74, Sun as lord of Arudha

Lagna and involved in Dhana Yogas, kept the flow of money.

 

As soon as Moon's Dasa started he went into a depression and his

career was on the wane. Notice Moon is 12L from Arudha Lagna in Leo.

Moreover, he is in 3H from AL. Benefics in 3H from AL is not good.

 

 

Regards

Narayan

 

 

 

gjlist, Christopher Kevill <ckevill@i...> wrote:

> Hello All:

>

> One of the important puzzles of using Libra for GH is the apparent

lack of

> wealth producing yogas and favourable positions of key planets. 2L

Mars is

> in the 3rd, albeit receiving Jupiter's aspect and Rahu is in the

11th with

> its dispositor Sun in the 5th. 11L Sun is with Ketu. Some good

things

> there for sure, but it falls far short of a chart of someone who is

one of

> the wealthiest persons in Britain. As always, one has to consult

the

> appropriate varga chart, in this case, the D-2 Hora chart.

>

> As some of you know, I'm a keen supporter of exact varga positions

of

> planets. To me, they help refine an analysis of key planets and

give depth

> to our understanding of the chart. In GH's Hora chart, there are

some

> beautifully exact contacts between planets and cusps, that I feel DO

> account for his extreme wealth.

>

> First off, we should note what the key points are going to be before

> undertaking our analysis. As is customary, the 2nd and 11th houses

are

> important in any discussion of wealth. Similarly the 2nd and 11th

house

> cusps become sensitive points. Any planetary contact with these

points

> will strongly influence the wealth outcome of a native. I should

note here

> that I normally use the Alcabitius house system, but for the

purposes of

> this discussion, I have used the more commonly used Sripati

system. In

> practice, there is little difference between the two systems,

usually one

> or two degrees.

>

> For this discussion, I will be using GH's 11.52 chart. I have

browsed the

> chart using various progressions for key events in his life, and it

is

> reasonable enough, certainly it is correct within a few minutes.

So to

> outline our parameters, the rashi Ascendant is 7Li12 (all positions

> krishnamurti), the 2nd house cusp is 11Sc00, and the 11th cusp is

14Le48.

> We also will want to pay special attention to the 2nd house lord

Mars

> 28Sg26 and 11th house lord Sun 12Aq30. In addition, contacts with

the

> karakas for wealth, Jupiter 22Ge35 and secondarily, Venus 6Pi21.

>

> Now, the D-2 hora chart gives us an Asc of 14Ar24 (which is

calculated

> simply by multiplying the rashi Asc by 2 and removing multiples of

360),

> the derived 2nd house cusp is 22Ge00, and the derived 11th house

cusp is

> 29Sg36. Because these are sensitive points, any contacts to these

points

> will magnify wealth effects. So what do we see?

>

> Right off the bat, look at the contacts between the derived Hora

cusps and

> the rashi planetary positions.

> The derived 2nd house cusp 22Gemini00 is within *one degree* of

rashi

> Jupiter 22Gemini35. This is a very powerful contact for promoting

wealth.

> I've noticed that the most intense effects are usually seen when

contacts

> are less than 2 degrees. The other incredible contact is that the

derived

> 11th house cusp 29Sg36 is also in very close conjunction to the

rashi 2nd

> house lord Mars 28Sg26. To me, these are very powerful contacts

for wealth

> -- hidden dhana yogas, if you will.

>

> There are other contacts that one could point to as well. D-2 Venus

> 12Aq43, a secondary karaka for wealth, is exactly conjunct the

rashi 11th

> house lord Sun 12Aq30. This is another big boost for income and

wealth.

> We could also note the relative proximity by opposition aspect of

both D-2

> Venus and rashi 11L Sun to the rashi 11th cusp 14Le48. It's just a

little

> over two degrees so it's not super strong, but still close enough

to be

> noteworthy. Another interesting contact is between the D-2

Ascendant

> 14Ar24 and the rashi 11th house cusp 14Le48. This is admittedly

more

> speculative, but such cusp-to-cusp contacts between rashi and varga

charts

> bear watching in the the future.

>

> Note here I have not considered the Hora D-2 chart as a stand alone

chart

> and have therefore avoided mention of Hora house lords. It's

possible one

> could do this and I know some who do, but just to keep things as

delimited

> and unspeculative as possible, I've only noted lordships in the

rashi chart

> and how they translate into the varga chart. Having said that, I

know some

> members will consider this all too speculative and that's fine.

I've only

> attempted to show how I go about incorporating varga charts with

the rashi.

> To my mind, this makes sense but everyone has to make their own

decision

> about it. Needless to say, an analysis of the rashi chart alone

isn't

> sufficient to tease out everything that is contained within a

horoscope. I

> think the above analysis of Harrison's chart shows how much of his

wealth

> karma can only be seen in reference to his Hora chart.

>

> regards,

> Chris

[Guest guest]

Dear Chris

Thanks for sharing this with us you have certainly hit upon some hidden

dhana stengths.Is the method of calculating the hora chart by doubling the

rasi traditional or common . I have heard this before but I'm wondering

whether you have found it gives good results . The standard way of

calculating hora chart seems little used and rarely explained .

Anyone else may answer also

Regards

Nicholas

-

"Christopher Kevill" <ckevill

<gjlist>; <gjlist>

Sunday, December 09, 2001 7:31 AM

[GJ] George Harrison's wealth using Libra Asc

 

 

> Hello All:

>

> One of the important puzzles of using Libra for GH is the apparent lack of

> wealth producing yogas and favourable positions of key planets. 2L Mars

is

> in the 3rd, albeit receiving Jupiter's aspect and Rahu is in the 11th with

> its dispositor Sun in the 5th. 11L Sun is with Ketu. Some good things

> there for sure, but it falls far short of a chart of someone who is one of

> the wealthiest persons in Britain. As always, one has to consult the

> appropriate varga chart, in this case, the D-2 Hora chart.

>

> As some of you know, I'm a keen supporter of exact varga positions of

> planets. To me, they help refine an analysis of key planets and give

depth

> to our understanding of the chart. In GH's Hora chart, there are some

> beautifully exact contacts between planets and cusps, that I feel DO

> account for his extreme wealth.

>

> First off, we should note what the key points are going to be before

> undertaking our analysis. As is customary, the 2nd and 11th houses are

> important in any discussion of wealth. Similarly the 2nd and 11th house

> cusps become sensitive points. Any planetary contact with these points

> will strongly influence the wealth outcome of a native. I should note

here

> that I normally use the Alcabitius house system, but for the purposes of

> this discussion, I have used the more commonly used Sripati system. In

> practice, there is little difference between the two systems, usually one

> or two degrees.

>

> For this discussion, I will be using GH's 11.52 chart. I have browsed the

> chart using various progressions for key events in his life, and it is

> reasonable enough, certainly it is correct within a few minutes. So to

> outline our parameters, the rashi Ascendant is 7Li12 (all positions

> krishnamurti), the 2nd house cusp is 11Sc00, and the 11th cusp is 14Le48.

> We also will want to pay special attention to the 2nd house lord Mars

> 28Sg26 and 11th house lord Sun 12Aq30. In addition, contacts with the

> karakas for wealth, Jupiter 22Ge35 and secondarily, Venus 6Pi21.

>

> Now, the D-2 hora chart gives us an Asc of 14Ar24 (which is calculated

> simply by multiplying the rashi Asc by 2 and removing multiples of 360),

> the derived 2nd house cusp is 22Ge00, and the derived 11th house cusp is

> 29Sg36. Because these are sensitive points, any contacts to these points

> will magnify wealth effects. So what do we see?

>

> Right off the bat, look at the contacts between the derived Hora cusps and

> the rashi planetary positions.

> The derived 2nd house cusp 22Gemini00 is within *one degree* of rashi

> Jupiter 22Gemini35. This is a very powerful contact for promoting wealth.

> I've noticed that the most intense effects are usually seen when contacts

> are less than 2 degrees. The other incredible contact is that the derived

> 11th house cusp 29Sg36 is also in very close conjunction to the rashi 2nd

> house lord Mars 28Sg26. To me, these are very powerful contacts for

wealth

> -- hidden dhana yogas, if you will.

>

> There are other contacts that one could point to as well. D-2 Venus

> 12Aq43, a secondary karaka for wealth, is exactly conjunct the rashi 11th

> house lord Sun 12Aq30. This is another big boost for income and wealth.

> We could also note the relative proximity by opposition aspect of both D-2

> Venus and rashi 11L Sun to the rashi 11th cusp 14Le48. It's just a little

> over two degrees so it's not super strong, but still close enough to be

> noteworthy. Another interesting contact is between the D-2 Ascendant

> 14Ar24 and the rashi 11th house cusp 14Le48. This is admittedly more

> speculative, but such cusp-to-cusp contacts between rashi and varga charts

> bear watching in the the future.

>

> Note here I have not considered the Hora D-2 chart as a stand alone chart

> and have therefore avoided mention of Hora house lords. It's possible one

> could do this and I know some who do, but just to keep things as delimited

> and unspeculative as possible, I've only noted lordships in the rashi

chart

> and how they translate into the varga chart. Having said that, I know

some

> members will consider this all too speculative and that's fine. I've only

> attempted to show how I go about incorporating varga charts with the

rashi.

> To my mind, this makes sense but everyone has to make their own decision

> about it. Needless to say, an analysis of the rashi chart alone isn't

> sufficient to tease out everything that is contained within a horoscope.

I

> think the above analysis of Harrison's chart shows how much of his wealth

> karma can only be seen in reference to his Hora chart.

>

> regards,

> Chris

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Narayana

How have you calculated the Hora Lagna

Nicholas

-

"iyergroups" <narayan_iyer

<gjlist>

Sunday, December 09, 2001 10:28 AM

[GJ] Re: George Harrison's wealth using Libra Asc

 

 

> Hi Christopher,

>

> Just want to add, that, Ketu is the 2L...and it is conjoined with 11L

> in 5H(Lakshmi Sthana). This is a Dhana Yoga.

>

> The other way to determine Financial potential is the Hora Lagna.

> Notice HL is in Taurus, its lord Venus exalted in 11H in Pi with 36

> bindus and Venus contributing 5bindus.

>

> Taurus also houses Ghati Lagna(GL) or the seat of power & authority.

> Its lord once agian is Ve exalted in Pi!!!!

>

> If we take the 5th star from Moon(Utpanna Tara) which has 3 planets

> in quadrants to it, Venus Dasa(Utpana Vimsottari Dasa) ran from 1949-

> 1969.

>

> This was the time-frame during which GH shot to fame and reached the

> pinnacle of his career. Being the lord of lagna, hora

> lagna, ghati lagna and sree lagna, Venus is a very important planet

> in this chart. He is exalted and occupies in Paravatamsa (6/16). He

> is a maha yogada and promises money and fame both. He has 5 rekhas in

> AV and his sign Pi has the highest number of rekhas in SAV - 36. No

> wonder Venus dasa brought success.

>

>

> This Dasa is followed by Sun till November 74, Sun as lord of Arudha

> Lagna and involved in Dhana Yogas, kept the flow of money.

>

> As soon as Moon's Dasa started he went into a depression and his

> career was on the wane. Notice Moon is 12L from Arudha Lagna in Leo.

> Moreover, he is in 3H from AL. Benefics in 3H from AL is not good.

>

>

> Regards

> Narayan

>

>

>

> gjlist, Christopher Kevill <ckevill@i...> wrote:

> > Hello All:

> >

> > One of the important puzzles of using Libra for GH is the apparent

> lack of

> > wealth producing yogas and favourable positions of key planets. 2L

> Mars is

> > in the 3rd, albeit receiving Jupiter's aspect and Rahu is in the

> 11th with

> > its dispositor Sun in the 5th. 11L Sun is with Ketu. Some good

> things

> > there for sure, but it falls far short of a chart of someone who is

> one of

> > the wealthiest persons in Britain. As always, one has to consult

> the

> > appropriate varga chart, in this case, the D-2 Hora chart.

> >

> > As some of you know, I'm a keen supporter of exact varga positions

> of

> > planets. To me, they help refine an analysis of key planets and

> give depth

> > to our understanding of the chart. In GH's Hora chart, there are

> some

> > beautifully exact contacts between planets and cusps, that I feel DO

> > account for his extreme wealth.

> >

> > First off, we should note what the key points are going to be before

> > undertaking our analysis. As is customary, the 2nd and 11th houses

> are

> > important in any discussion of wealth. Similarly the 2nd and 11th

> house

> > cusps become sensitive points. Any planetary contact with these

> points

> > will strongly influence the wealth outcome of a native. I should

> note here

> > that I normally use the Alcabitius house system, but for the

> purposes of

> > this discussion, I have used the more commonly used Sripati

> system. In

> > practice, there is little difference between the two systems,

> usually one

> > or two degrees.

> >

> > For this discussion, I will be using GH's 11.52 chart. I have

> browsed the

> > chart using various progressions for key events in his life, and it

> is

> > reasonable enough, certainly it is correct within a few minutes.

> So to

> > outline our parameters, the rashi Ascendant is 7Li12 (all positions

> > krishnamurti), the 2nd house cusp is 11Sc00, and the 11th cusp is

> 14Le48.

> > We also will want to pay special attention to the 2nd house lord

> Mars

> > 28Sg26 and 11th house lord Sun 12Aq30. In addition, contacts with

> the

> > karakas for wealth, Jupiter 22Ge35 and secondarily, Venus 6Pi21.

> >

> > Now, the D-2 hora chart gives us an Asc of 14Ar24 (which is

> calculated

> > simply by multiplying the rashi Asc by 2 and removing multiples of

> 360),

> > the derived 2nd house cusp is 22Ge00, and the derived 11th house

> cusp is

> > 29Sg36. Because these are sensitive points, any contacts to these

> points

> > will magnify wealth effects. So what do we see?

> >

> > Right off the bat, look at the contacts between the derived Hora

> cusps and

> > the rashi planetary positions.

> > The derived 2nd house cusp 22Gemini00 is within *one degree* of

> rashi

> > Jupiter 22Gemini35. This is a very powerful contact for promoting

> wealth.

> > I've noticed that the most intense effects are usually seen when

> contacts

> > are less than 2 degrees. The other incredible contact is that the

> derived

> > 11th house cusp 29Sg36 is also in very close conjunction to the

> rashi 2nd

> > house lord Mars 28Sg26. To me, these are very powerful contacts

> for wealth

> > -- hidden dhana yogas, if you will.

> >

> > There are other contacts that one could point to as well. D-2 Venus

> > 12Aq43, a secondary karaka for wealth, is exactly conjunct the

> rashi 11th

> > house lord Sun 12Aq30. This is another big boost for income and

> wealth.

> > We could also note the relative proximity by opposition aspect of

> both D-2

> > Venus and rashi 11L Sun to the rashi 11th cusp 14Le48. It's just a

> little

> > over two degrees so it's not super strong, but still close enough

> to be

> > noteworthy. Another interesting contact is between the D-2

> Ascendant

> > 14Ar24 and the rashi 11th house cusp 14Le48. This is admittedly

> more

> > speculative, but such cusp-to-cusp contacts between rashi and varga

> charts

> > bear watching in the the future.

> >

> > Note here I have not considered the Hora D-2 chart as a stand alone

> chart

> > and have therefore avoided mention of Hora house lords. It's

> possible one

> > could do this and I know some who do, but just to keep things as

> delimited

> > and unspeculative as possible, I've only noted lordships in the

> rashi chart

> > and how they translate into the varga chart. Having said that, I

> know some

> > members will consider this all too speculative and that's fine.

> I've only

> > attempted to show how I go about incorporating varga charts with

> the rashi.

> > To my mind, this makes sense but everyone has to make their own

> decision

> > about it. Needless to say, an analysis of the rashi chart alone

> isn't

> > sufficient to tease out everything that is contained within a

> horoscope. I

> > think the above analysis of Harrison's chart shows how much of his

> wealth

> > karma can only be seen in reference to his Hora chart.

> >

> > regards,

> > Chris

>

>

>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Nicholas,

 

This is a common way of calculating the hora chart, although there is at

least one other way as well. This doubling of rashi positions and removing

360 is known as parivritti dwaya hora chart. It is also identical to the

western 2nd harmonic chart. I'm not sure of the name of the other way,

but it basically divides all planets into either Cancer(Moon) amsha or Leo

(Sun) amshas. I have heard from those who know some sanskrit that this is

based on a faulty translation of classic texts. In any event, I find that

the Cancer-Leo hora chart doesn't say anything useful, while the parivritti

chart yields a full chart that can used together with the rashi chart. And

yes, I have found this chart to be extremely useful. Not surprisingly,

Bill Gates's hora chart literally explodes with contacts with the key rashi

wealth points. This is the 21.05 Gates chart, FWIW. Here are a few of the

highlights there. First off, Gates' rashi chart shows good wealth as the 2L

Moon 14Pi33 is in mutual aspect to 11L Mars 16Vi56. But the thing that

puts Gates off the scale as far as wealth goes is that his D-2 Asc is

16Vi08, exactly conjunct that 11L Mars and in close aspect to 2L Moon. The

hora ascendant is one of the most wealth sensitive points in the whole

horoscope, along with the derived 2nd and 11th cusps. It makes sense if

you pause and think about it. In the rashi chart, the 2nd house and 2nd

cusp represent all sorts of things: wealth, family, speech, education, etc.

But the 2nd division (D-2) of that 2nd house cusp shows only wealth, and

ignores all those other 2nd house meanings. Similarly, the 2nd division of

the Asc will represent the wealth matters. Anyway back to Gates. So not

only does the D-2 Ascendant contact both the 2nd and 11th lords, but there

is a powerful contact within the hora chart itself. The hora lagnesh/chart

ruler, Mercury (for Virgo Asc) is at 16Pi48 -- exactly aspecting the hora

ascendant. And since it is aspecting the Asc, it also aspects those two

key rashi lords as well. And the D-2 derived 2nd house cusp falls at 28Li32

(the rashi 2nd cusp is 14Cn16) and this is very close to that powerful

Venus(27Li)-Saturn(28Li) conjunction in 5th house Libra in Gates' rashi

chart.

 

This stuff works well for very rich people, as there are usually strong

contacts to indicate wealth. For the rest of us ordinary folks, however,

these close contacts are absent. It is still important to note where the

derived house cusps fall in the rashi chart and get a general feel for what

the key house lords are doing in the hora chart. If they are afflicted,

then wealth will be lessened. If they are reasonably strong, then wealth

should be enhanced. And all this takes places within a broader context of

what the wealth indications are in the rashi chart.

 

regards,

Chris

 

 

At 01:34 PM 12/9/01 +1100, Nicholas wrote:

>Dear Chris

>Thanks for sharing this with us you have certainly hit upon some hidden

>dhana stengths.Is the method of calculating the hora chart by doubling the

>rasi traditional or common . I have heard this before but I'm wondering

>whether you have found it gives good results . The standard way of

>calculating hora chart seems little used and rarely explained .

>Anyone else may answer also

>Regards

>Nicholas

>-

>"Christopher Kevill" <ckevill

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>Sunday, December 09, 2001 7:31 AM

>[GJ] George Harrison's wealth using Libra Asc

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>> Hello All:

>>

>> One of the important puzzles of using Libra for GH is the apparent lack of

>> wealth producing yogas and favourable positions of key planets. 2L Mars

>is

>> in the 3rd, albeit receiving Jupiter's aspect and Rahu is in the 11th with

>> its dispositor Sun in the 5th. 11L Sun is with Ketu. Some good things

>> there for sure, but it falls far short of a chart of someone who is one of

>> the wealthiest persons in Britain. As always, one has to consult the

>> appropriate varga chart, in this case, the D-2 Hora chart.

>>

>> As some of you know, I'm a keen supporter of exact varga positions of

>> planets. To me, they help refine an analysis of key planets and give

>depth

>> to our understanding of the chart. In GH's Hora chart, there are some

>> beautifully exact contacts between planets and cusps, that I feel DO

>> account for his extreme wealth.

>>

>> First off, we should note what the key points are going to be before

>> undertaking our analysis. As is customary, the 2nd and 11th houses are

>> important in any discussion of wealth. Similarly the 2nd and 11th house

>> cusps become sensitive points. Any planetary contact with these points

>> will strongly influence the wealth outcome of a native. I should note

>here

>> that I normally use the Alcabitius house system, but for the purposes of

>> this discussion, I have used the more commonly used Sripati system. In

>> practice, there is little difference between the two systems, usually one

>> or two degrees.

>>

>> For this discussion, I will be using GH's 11.52 chart. I have browsed the

>> chart using various progressions for key events in his life, and it is

>> reasonable enough, certainly it is correct within a few minutes. So to

>> outline our parameters, the rashi Ascendant is 7Li12 (all positions

>> krishnamurti), the 2nd house cusp is 11Sc00, and the 11th cusp is 14Le48.

>> We also will want to pay special attention to the 2nd house lord Mars

>> 28Sg26 and 11th house lord Sun 12Aq30. In addition, contacts with the

>> karakas for wealth, Jupiter 22Ge35 and secondarily, Venus 6Pi21.

>>

>> Now, the D-2 hora chart gives us an Asc of 14Ar24 (which is calculated

>> simply by multiplying the rashi Asc by 2 and removing multiples of 360),

>> the derived 2nd house cusp is 22Ge00, and the derived 11th house cusp is

>> 29Sg36. Because these are sensitive points, any contacts to these points

>> will magnify wealth effects. So what do we see?

>>

>> Right off the bat, look at the contacts between the derived Hora cusps and

>> the rashi planetary positions.

>> The derived 2nd house cusp 22Gemini00 is within *one degree* of rashi

>> Jupiter 22Gemini35. This is a very powerful contact for promoting wealth.

>> I've noticed that the most intense effects are usually seen when contacts

>> are less than 2 degrees. The other incredible contact is that the derived

>> 11th house cusp 29Sg36 is also in very close conjunction to the rashi 2nd

>> house lord Mars 28Sg26. To me, these are very powerful contacts for

>wealth

>> -- hidden dhana yogas, if you will.

>>

>> There are other contacts that one could point to as well. D-2 Venus

>> 12Aq43, a secondary karaka for wealth, is exactly conjunct the rashi 11th

>> house lord Sun 12Aq30. This is another big boost for income and wealth.

>> We could also note the relative proximity by opposition aspect of both D-2

>> Venus and rashi 11L Sun to the rashi 11th cusp 14Le48. It's just a little

>> over two degrees so it's not super strong, but still close enough to be

>> noteworthy. Another interesting contact is between the D-2 Ascendant

>> 14Ar24 and the rashi 11th house cusp 14Le48. This is admittedly more

>> speculative, but such cusp-to-cusp contacts between rashi and varga charts

>> bear watching in the the future.

>>

>> Note here I have not considered the Hora D-2 chart as a stand alone chart

>> and have therefore avoided mention of Hora house lords. It's possible one

>> could do this and I know some who do, but just to keep things as delimited

>> and unspeculative as possible, I've only noted lordships in the rashi

>chart

>> and how they translate into the varga chart. Having said that, I know

>some

>> members will consider this all too speculative and that's fine. I've only

>> attempted to show how I go about incorporating varga charts with the

>rashi.

>> To my mind, this makes sense but everyone has to make their own decision

>> about it. Needless to say, an analysis of the rashi chart alone isn't

>> sufficient to tease out everything that is contained within a horoscope.

>I

>> think the above analysis of Harrison's chart shows how much of his wealth

>> karma can only be seen in reference to his Hora chart.

>>

>> regards,

>> Chris

>>

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Hi Dharmapada,

 

At 10:01 PM 12/8/01 -0000, deandddd wrote:

>Christopher,

>

>I thought that since Robert and I each said our last words, that that

>would be the end of it. But since we never traded comments, I guess

>that I would like to do so with you. I will makea comment, basically

>something that I told Robert, and I invite you to reply. Keep in mind

>that that will probably be my last comment, though, so make your

>comment accordingly.

>

>What I see in the classic literature, such as Jataka Parijata, is

>that the varga charts are secondary to the birth chart. You are

>coming right out and saying that something isn't there in the birth

>chart, but that there is justification in the varga chart. This is

>theopposite from the way I see things stressed and emphasized in the

>classic literature.

>

 

I think there is some variation in the classics on the role of varga

charts. I'm away from my books right now, so I can't give any references,

but my sense is that it is a grey area indeed. Where things are

ill-defined in the classic texts, it forces the astrologer to think for him

or herself. I'm happy to do this, as I like to experiment and fiddle with

horoscopes. To me, the basic point to twins charts is irrefutable on any

score, so that fact bascially trumps anything I might read in a classic

text. But that's my bias: the texts are guides for us, they do not lay

down the law. It's up to us to use them in a way that fits with our

experience and suits our mentalities. Certainly I'll take Parashara's

opinion on most things -- he was far more experienced than I'll ever be --

but I'd like to still retain the right to test them in my own time. :-)

 

>Once you put varga chart near or on the same level as the birth

>chart, you introduce so many factors that you could practically

>justify anythingunderthe Sun. If I exaggerate, it isn'tby much.

 

Yes, that's a fair point and a wise caution to those who delve into

divisional charts.

 

>

>I'm thinking that a lot of new people get influenced without having

>absorbed the tradtional way. You people might be taking a whole

>generation of new astrologers off on a tangent before they ever get

>started, and this worries me.

>

 

Wow, I can't imagine I would influence anybody that much! But if people

want to follow some of these ideas on their own, then that's their

decision, not mine. I only shared these ideas because they made sense to

me and they seem like logical extensions of lots of ideas that are already

out there in the astrological world.

 

>Not only do I not see this over-emphasis in the traditional

>literature, but the mainstream communities of astrologers who receive

>the norms of interpretation and techniques from previous generations,

>do not interpret like you all do.

>

 

I sense you place a heavy emphasis on the classic literature. That's fine,

but you have to remember that most jyotish wasn't written down. It was an

oral traditional passed down from guru to sishya. The writing of it was

sort of a secondary consideration. As a result, the written record is not

complete, and nor is it a logical exposition of how to delineate a chart.

It's a collection of rules and observations that are often simplified to

make a point, not to give an accurate prediction based on a planetary

placement. That's why I always take the classics with a grain of salt.

They readings are hyperbolized to make a point. So it's really hard to say

how some of these sages would have actually read a chart, and how much

emphasis they would have placed on vargas, etc.

 

>What else can I say? For the mement, I'll just say that I am

>concerned about this. I would hate to see Vedic astrology begin to

>deviate from this time onwards, and become something else in the

>future.

 

 

I'm not against "deviation". I'd prefer to think of it as development or

growth. No body of knowledge is static. Ideas change over time as each

generation has a go at them. Mantreshwara added his unique perspective on

Parashara and the others back in the 14th century or so. He wasn't simply

regurgitating what they had already said.

 

regards,

Chris

 

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Hello Narayan,

 

At 11:28 PM 12/8/01 -0000, iyergroups wrote:

>Hi Christopher,

>

>Just want to add, that, Ketu is the 2L...and it is conjoined with 11L

>in 5H(Lakshmi Sthana). This is a Dhana Yoga.

 

OK, I guess you are using Ketu as the ruler of Scorpio there in the rashi

chart. I know many people who do this assessment, but it seems to be

another disputable point somehow, ie finding which is stronger Mars or Ketu

in order to assign lordship to Scorpio. Is such an assessment always clear

cut? My sense is no, and therefore I have avoided using this technique.

 

>

>The other way to determine Financial potential is the Hora Lagna.

>Notice HL is in Taurus, its lord Venus exalted in 11H in Pi with 36

>bindus and Venus contributing 5bindus.

 

I gather you are counting from the rashi HL here.

 

regards,

Chris

 

 

>

>Taurus also houses Ghati Lagna(GL) or the seat of power & authority.

>Its lord once agian is Ve exalted in Pi!!!!

>

>If we take the 5th star from Moon(Utpanna Tara) which has 3 planets

>in quadrants to it, Venus Dasa(Utpana Vimsottari Dasa) ran from 1949-

>1969.

>

>This was the time-frame during which GH shot to fame and reached the

>pinnacle of his career. Being the lord of lagna, hora

>lagna, ghati lagna and sree lagna, Venus is a very important planet

>in this chart. He is exalted and occupies in Paravatamsa (6/16). He

>is a maha yogada and promises money and fame both. He has 5 rekhas in

>AV and his sign Pi has the highest number of rekhas in SAV - 36. No

>wonder Venus dasa brought success.

>

>

>This Dasa is followed by Sun till November 74, Sun as lord of Arudha

>Lagna and involved in Dhana Yogas, kept the flow of money.

>

>As soon as Moon's Dasa started he went into a depression and his

>career was on the wane. Notice Moon is 12L from Arudha Lagna in Leo.

>Moreover, he is in 3H from AL. Benefics in 3H from AL is not good.

>

>

>Regards

>Narayan

>

>

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>gjlist, Christopher Kevill <ckevill@i...> wrote:

>> Hello All:

>>

>> One of the important puzzles of using Libra for GH is the apparent

>lack of

>> wealth producing yogas and favourable positions of key planets. 2L

>Mars is

>> in the 3rd, albeit receiving Jupiter's aspect and Rahu is in the

>11th with

>> its dispositor Sun in the 5th. 11L Sun is with Ketu. Some good

>things

>> there for sure, but it falls far short of a chart of someone who is

>one of

>> the wealthiest persons in Britain. As always, one has to consult

>the

>> appropriate varga chart, in this case, the D-2 Hora chart.

>>

>> As some of you know, I'm a keen supporter of exact varga positions

>of

>> planets. To me, they help refine an analysis of key planets and

>give depth

>> to our understanding of the chart. In GH's Hora chart, there are

>some

>> beautifully exact contacts between planets and cusps, that I feel DO

>> account for his extreme wealth.

>>

>> First off, we should note what the key points are going to be before

>> undertaking our analysis. As is customary, the 2nd and 11th houses

>are

>> important in any discussion of wealth. Similarly the 2nd and 11th

>house

>> cusps become sensitive points. Any planetary contact with these

>points

>> will strongly influence the wealth outcome of a native. I should

>note here

>> that I normally use the Alcabitius house system, but for the

>purposes of

>> this discussion, I have used the more commonly used Sripati

>system. In

>> practice, there is little difference between the two systems,

>usually one

>> or two degrees.

>>

>> For this discussion, I will be using GH's 11.52 chart. I have

>browsed the

>> chart using various progressions for key events in his life, and it

>is

>> reasonable enough, certainly it is correct within a few minutes.

>So to

>> outline our parameters, the rashi Ascendant is 7Li12 (all positions

>> krishnamurti), the 2nd house cusp is 11Sc00, and the 11th cusp is

>14Le48.

>> We also will want to pay special attention to the 2nd house lord

>Mars

>> 28Sg26 and 11th house lord Sun 12Aq30. In addition, contacts with

>the

>> karakas for wealth, Jupiter 22Ge35 and secondarily, Venus 6Pi21.

>>

>> Now, the D-2 hora chart gives us an Asc of 14Ar24 (which is

>calculated

>> simply by multiplying the rashi Asc by 2 and removing multiples of

>360),

>> the derived 2nd house cusp is 22Ge00, and the derived 11th house

>cusp is

>> 29Sg36. Because these are sensitive points, any contacts to these

>points

>> will magnify wealth effects. So what do we see?

>>

>> Right off the bat, look at the contacts between the derived Hora

>cusps and

>> the rashi planetary positions.

>> The derived 2nd house cusp 22Gemini00 is within *one degree* of

>rashi

>> Jupiter 22Gemini35. This is a very powerful contact for promoting

>wealth.

>> I've noticed that the most intense effects are usually seen when

>contacts

>> are less than 2 degrees. The other incredible contact is that the

>derived

>> 11th house cusp 29Sg36 is also in very close conjunction to the

>rashi 2nd

>> house lord Mars 28Sg26. To me, these are very powerful contacts

>for wealth

>> -- hidden dhana yogas, if you will.

>>

>> There are other contacts that one could point to as well. D-2 Venus

>> 12Aq43, a secondary karaka for wealth, is exactly conjunct the

>rashi 11th

>> house lord Sun 12Aq30. This is another big boost for income and

>wealth.

>> We could also note the relative proximity by opposition aspect of

>both D-2

>> Venus and rashi 11L Sun to the rashi 11th cusp 14Le48. It's just a

>little

>> over two degrees so it's not super strong, but still close enough

>to be

>> noteworthy. Another interesting contact is between the D-2

>Ascendant

>> 14Ar24 and the rashi 11th house cusp 14Le48. This is admittedly

>more

>> speculative, but such cusp-to-cusp contacts between rashi and varga

>charts

>> bear watching in the the future.

>>

>> Note here I have not considered the Hora D-2 chart as a stand alone

>chart

>> and have therefore avoided mention of Hora house lords. It's

>possible one

>> could do this and I know some who do, but just to keep things as

>delimited

>> and unspeculative as possible, I've only noted lordships in the

>rashi chart

>> and how they translate into the varga chart. Having said that, I

>know some

>> members will consider this all too speculative and that's fine.

>I've only

>> attempted to show how I go about incorporating varga charts with

>the rashi.

>> To my mind, this makes sense but everyone has to make their own

>decision

>> about it. Needless to say, an analysis of the rashi chart alone

>isn't

>> sufficient to tease out everything that is contained within a

>horoscope. I

>> think the above analysis of Harrison's chart shows how much of his

>wealth

>> karma can only be seen in reference to his Hora chart.

>>

>> regards,

>> Chris

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Dear Chris and Narayan,

 

I would like to take the liberty to answer the following, and please excuse

me for butting in here, Narayan. Before I do, however, I want to say that

what Narayan has presented in the way of assessing the dhana yogas in

George Harrison's chart is a very logical and practical use of Hora lagna,

Ghatika lagna, and simple rules to determine dhana yogas. Anyway, I got

over the top with distractions this weekend, and so will reply to the

following briefly. I would like to reply to other points and questions

raised earlier, especially w.r.t. divisional charts, later on.

 

Chris wrote:

 

>Hello Narayan,

>

>At 11:28 PM 12/8/01 -0000, iyergroups wrote:

> >Hi Christopher,

> >

> >Just want to add, that, Ketu is the 2L...and it is conjoined with 11L

> >in 5H(Lakshmi Sthana). This is a Dhana Yoga.

>

>OK, I guess you are using Ketu as the ruler of Scorpio there in the rashi

>chart. I know many people who do this assessment, but it seems to be

>another disputable point somehow, ie finding which is stronger Mars or Ketu

>in order to assign lordship to Scorpio. Is such an assessment always clear

>cut? My sense is no, and therefore I have avoided using this technique.

 

There are at least 4 sources of strength given in the Jaimini sutram, and

for some it is true, a seasoned and sharpened eye is needed. However, the

first and most unanimous rule for determining the stronger between Ketu and

Mars (for lordship of Scorpio), is easy. And that is, that if either out

of Ketu or Mars is with more planets than the other, then he is

stronger. This even supercedes such things as exaltation, aspects from

other planets, positioning of the Atmakaraka, etc., which in fact may play

into the final determination in cases which are not so clear. In

Harrison's chart, however, it is quite clear: Mars is without any

association, whereas Ketu has one associate, viz. the Sun. So Ketu is

clearly the stronger lord of Scorpio.

 

Now, assessing the stronger lord in case of Scorpio and Aquarius is very

important, if you are going to work with Arudha padas, Argalas, as well as

rashi dasas. Otherwise, it might not be so important to you. Still, the

key role of the lord of Sc or Aq will play out greatly as to how you assess

the strength of the houses they rule. It is important to take the trouble

do this, as otherwise, the dhana yoga analysis in GH's rasi chart, for

example, becomes dubious. 11th lord Sun, joining 2nd lord Ketu, aspected

by 4th and 5th lord Saturn, as well as natural dhana karaka Jupiter from

the 9th, are a dhana yoga, according to Parasara, Jaimini, and all authors.

 

Similarly, according to Jaimini, the 11th from Arudha lagna also must be

seen for dhana yoga, as Sanjay mentioned also. Exalted lagna lord and its

dispositor Jupiter, as well as 2nd lord Mars aspecting Gemini (The Arudha

lagna is Leo) make this kind of judgement easy as well.

 

Further on Dhana yogas: If three factors and their lords, come into mutual

aspect/association (by rasi aspect) with the natural lagna, then you have

yogas for both power and great wealth. They are the Hora lagna, Ghatika

lagna, and Sri lagna. Sri is Laksmi, the goddess of fortune, and Her lagna

occupies the Libra lagna of the GH chart along with the Moon. Hora and

Ghatika lagnas are Taurus, and thus *all three* aspect the lagna, and Venus

is the exalted lord of all of them. Yogakaraka Saturn is also in the Hora

and Ghatika lagna, in mutual aspects with 10th lord Moon and lagna. These

are significant and powerful Raja and Dhana yogas, which made him who he was.

 

Still, the argument remains, as to why the other possible 20, 30, or 40

persons born on the same day as GH with the same lagna, didn't become a

world famous person also. Two clues here: the Hora lagna moves at a rate

of .5 degrees per minute, while the Ghatika lagna moves at a rate of 1.25

degrees per minute. The Sri lagna, is calculated on the basis of what

percentage of the natal Moon's naksatra is crossed by the Moon and birth,

and then the same percentage of the 360 d. zodiac is taken (in degrees),

and is added onto the lagna. Thus, for most of those persons, Hora,

Ghatika, and Sri lagnas will be different, thus putting them in a different

category altogether than GH. What about those who were born within a

minute or two of him, on the same day and year? Then, and only then, can

you rely on divisional charts, as you Chris and Nicholas have stated in

connection to births of twins. Otherwise, astrology remains a vague,

guessing game, and not the science that it deserves to be regarded as. I

will talk more about divisional charts in my next post.

 

 

Best wishes,

Robert

 

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Dear Christopher

Thank you for a very informative text . Purustomma also uses this method and

as you say the standard hora calculation does not say much .I've noticed in

my own parivritti hora chart that planets that are strong give good wealth

in their bhuktis fwiw

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Re: [GJ] George Harrison's wealth using Libra Asc

 

 

> Hi Nicholas,

>

> This is a common way of calculating the hora chart, although there is at

> least one other way as well. This doubling of rashi positions and

removing

> 360 is known as parivritti dwaya hora chart. It is also identical to the

> western 2nd harmonic chart. I'm not sure of the name of the other way,

> but it basically divides all planets into either Cancer(Moon) amsha or Leo

> (Sun) amshas. I have heard from those who know some sanskrit that this is

> based on a faulty translation of classic texts. In any event, I find that

> the Cancer-Leo hora chart doesn't say anything useful, while the

parivritti

> chart yields a full chart that can used together with the rashi chart.

And

> yes, I have found this chart to be extremely useful. Not surprisingly,

> Bill Gates's hora chart literally explodes with contacts with the key

rashi

> wealth points. This is the 21.05 Gates chart, FWIW. Here are a few of the

> highlights there. First off, Gates' rashi chart shows good wealth as the

2L

> Moon 14Pi33 is in mutual aspect to 11L Mars 16Vi56. But the thing that

> puts Gates off the scale as far as wealth goes is that his D-2 Asc is

> 16Vi08, exactly conjunct that 11L Mars and in close aspect to 2L Moon.

The

> hora ascendant is one of the most wealth sensitive points in the whole

> horoscope, along with the derived 2nd and 11th cusps. It makes sense if

> you pause and think about it. In the rashi chart, the 2nd house and 2nd

> cusp represent all sorts of things: wealth, family, speech, education,

etc.

> But the 2nd division (D-2) of that 2nd house cusp shows only wealth, and

> ignores all those other 2nd house meanings. Similarly, the 2nd division

of

> the Asc will represent the wealth matters. Anyway back to Gates. So not

> only does the D-2 Ascendant contact both the 2nd and 11th lords, but there

> is a powerful contact within the hora chart itself. The hora

lagnesh/chart

> ruler, Mercury (for Virgo Asc) is at 16Pi48 -- exactly aspecting the hora

> ascendant. And since it is aspecting the Asc, it also aspects those two

> key rashi lords as well. And the D-2 derived 2nd house cusp falls at

28Li32

> (the rashi 2nd cusp is 14Cn16) and this is very close to that powerful

> Venus(27Li)-Saturn(28Li) conjunction in 5th house Libra in Gates' rashi

> chart.

>

> This stuff works well for very rich people, as there are usually strong

> contacts to indicate wealth. For the rest of us ordinary folks, however,

> these close contacts are absent. It is still important to note where the

> derived house cusps fall in the rashi chart and get a general feel for

what

> the key house lords are doing in the hora chart. If they are afflicted,

> then wealth will be lessened. If they are reasonably strong, then wealth

> should be enhanced. And all this takes places within a broader context of

> what the wealth indications are in the rashi chart.

>

> regards,

> Chris

>

>

> At 01:34 PM 12/9/01 +1100, Nicholas wrote:

> >Dear Chris

> >Thanks for sharing this with us you have certainly hit upon some hidden

> >dhana stengths.Is the method of calculating the hora chart by doubling

the

> >rasi traditional or common . I have heard this before but I'm wondering

> >whether you have found it gives good results . The standard way of

> >calculating hora chart seems little used and rarely explained .

> >Anyone else may answer also

> >Regards

> >Nicholas

> >-

> >"Christopher Kevill" <ckevill

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> >Sunday, December 09, 2001 7:31 AM

> >[GJ] George Harrison's wealth using Libra Asc

> >

> >

> >> Hello All:

> >>

> >> One of the important puzzles of using Libra for GH is the apparent lack

of

> >> wealth producing yogas and favourable positions of key planets. 2L

Mars

> >is

> >> in the 3rd, albeit receiving Jupiter's aspect and Rahu is in the 11th

with

> >> its dispositor Sun in the 5th. 11L Sun is with Ketu. Some good things

> >> there for sure, but it falls far short of a chart of someone who is one

of

> >> the wealthiest persons in Britain. As always, one has to consult the

> >> appropriate varga chart, in this case, the D-2 Hora chart.

> >>

> >> As some of you know, I'm a keen supporter of exact varga positions of

> >> planets. To me, they help refine an analysis of key planets and give

> >depth

> >> to our understanding of the chart. In GH's Hora chart, there are some

> >> beautifully exact contacts between planets and cusps, that I feel DO

> >> account for his extreme wealth.

> >>

> >> First off, we should note what the key points are going to be before

> >> undertaking our analysis. As is customary, the 2nd and 11th houses are

> >> important in any discussion of wealth. Similarly the 2nd and 11th

house

> >> cusps become sensitive points. Any planetary contact with these points

> >> will strongly influence the wealth outcome of a native. I should note

> >here

> >> that I normally use the Alcabitius house system, but for the purposes

of

> >> this discussion, I have used the more commonly used Sripati system. In

> >> practice, there is little difference between the two systems, usually

one

> >> or two degrees.

> >>

> >> For this discussion, I will be using GH's 11.52 chart. I have browsed

the

> >> chart using various progressions for key events in his life, and it is

> >> reasonable enough, certainly it is correct within a few minutes. So to

> >> outline our parameters, the rashi Ascendant is 7Li12 (all positions

> >> krishnamurti), the 2nd house cusp is 11Sc00, and the 11th cusp is

14Le48.

> >> We also will want to pay special attention to the 2nd house lord Mars

> >> 28Sg26 and 11th house lord Sun 12Aq30. In addition, contacts with the

> >> karakas for wealth, Jupiter 22Ge35 and secondarily, Venus 6Pi21.

> >>

> >> Now, the D-2 hora chart gives us an Asc of 14Ar24 (which is calculated

> >> simply by multiplying the rashi Asc by 2 and removing multiples of

360),

> >> the derived 2nd house cusp is 22Ge00, and the derived 11th house cusp

is

> >> 29Sg36. Because these are sensitive points, any contacts to these

points

> >> will magnify wealth effects. So what do we see?

> >>

> >> Right off the bat, look at the contacts between the derived Hora cusps

and

> >> the rashi planetary positions.

> >> The derived 2nd house cusp 22Gemini00 is within *one degree* of rashi

> >> Jupiter 22Gemini35. This is a very powerful contact for promoting

wealth.

> >> I've noticed that the most intense effects are usually seen when

contacts

> >> are less than 2 degrees. The other incredible contact is that the

derived

> >> 11th house cusp 29Sg36 is also in very close conjunction to the rashi

2nd

> >> house lord Mars 28Sg26. To me, these are very powerful contacts for

> >wealth

> >> -- hidden dhana yogas, if you will.

> >>

> >> There are other contacts that one could point to as well. D-2 Venus

> >> 12Aq43, a secondary karaka for wealth, is exactly conjunct the rashi

11th

> >> house lord Sun 12Aq30. This is another big boost for income and

wealth.

> >> We could also note the relative proximity by opposition aspect of both

D-2

> >> Venus and rashi 11L Sun to the rashi 11th cusp 14Le48. It's just a

little

> >> over two degrees so it's not super strong, but still close enough to be

> >> noteworthy. Another interesting contact is between the D-2 Ascendant

> >> 14Ar24 and the rashi 11th house cusp 14Le48. This is admittedly more

> >> speculative, but such cusp-to-cusp contacts between rashi and varga

charts

> >> bear watching in the the future.

> >>

> >> Note here I have not considered the Hora D-2 chart as a stand alone

chart

> >> and have therefore avoided mention of Hora house lords. It's possible

one

> >> could do this and I know some who do, but just to keep things as

delimited

> >> and unspeculative as possible, I've only noted lordships in the rashi

> >chart

> >> and how they translate into the varga chart. Having said that, I know

> >some

> >> members will consider this all too speculative and that's fine. I've

only

> >> attempted to show how I go about incorporating varga charts with the

> >rashi.

> >> To my mind, this makes sense but everyone has to make their own

decision

> >> about it. Needless to say, an analysis of the rashi chart alone isn't

> >> sufficient to tease out everything that is contained within a

horoscope.

> >I

> >> think the above analysis of Harrison's chart shows how much of his

wealth

> >> karma can only be seen in reference to his Hora chart.

> >>

> >> regards,

> >> Chris

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Hey Robert:

 

I guess you can use all these special lagnas, but why not pay more

attention to house cusps as I have done? To be honest, I haven't had much

luck with HL and GL. While they seem to sort of work in GH's chart,

whenever I've looked at them, they don't seem to be doing anything. In

Bush's chart, for example, GL is in the 5th Scorpio with Ketu. How do you

get most powerful person in the world out of that? Sure, dispositor Mars

is in the 10th from Scorpio and it's strong in the chart, but that's pretty

general. Moreover, the exact point of GL(18Sc) isn't aspected by anything.

Maybe you could fill me in on how this is suppose to work.

 

regards,

Chris

 

 

At 02:44 PM 12/9/01 -0800, Robert A. Koch wrote:

>Dear Chris and Narayan,

>

>I would like to take the liberty to answer the following, and please excuse

>me for butting in here, Narayan. Before I do, however, I want to say that

>what Narayan has presented in the way of assessing the dhana yogas in

>George Harrison's chart is a very logical and practical use of Hora lagna,

>Ghatika lagna, and simple rules to determine dhana yogas. Anyway, I got

>over the top with distractions this weekend, and so will reply to the

>following briefly. I would like to reply to other points and questions

>raised earlier, especially w.r.t. divisional charts, later on.

>

>Chris wrote:

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>>Hello Narayan,

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>>At 11:28 PM 12/8/01 -0000, iyergroups wrote:

>> >Hi Christopher,

>> >

>> >Just want to add, that, Ketu is the 2L...and it is conjoined with 11L

>> >in 5H(Lakshmi Sthana). This is a Dhana Yoga.

>>

>>OK, I guess you are using Ketu as the ruler of Scorpio there in the rashi

>>chart. I know many people who do this assessment, but it seems to be

>>another disputable point somehow, ie finding which is stronger Mars or Ketu

>>in order to assign lordship to Scorpio. Is such an assessment always clear

>>cut? My sense is no, and therefore I have avoided using this technique.

>

>There are at least 4 sources of strength given in the Jaimini sutram, and

>for some it is true, a seasoned and sharpened eye is needed. However, the

>first and most unanimous rule for determining the stronger between Ketu and

>Mars (for lordship of Scorpio), is easy. And that is, that if either out

>of Ketu or Mars is with more planets than the other, then he is

>stronger. This even supercedes such things as exaltation, aspects from

>other planets, positioning of the Atmakaraka, etc., which in fact may play

>into the final determination in cases which are not so clear. In

>Harrison's chart, however, it is quite clear: Mars is without any

>association, whereas Ketu has one associate, viz. the Sun. So Ketu is

>clearly the stronger lord of Scorpio.

>

>Now, assessing the stronger lord in case of Scorpio and Aquarius is very

>important, if you are going to work with Arudha padas, Argalas, as well as

>rashi dasas. Otherwise, it might not be so important to you. Still, the

>key role of the lord of Sc or Aq will play out greatly as to how you assess

>the strength of the houses they rule. It is important to take the trouble

>do this, as otherwise, the dhana yoga analysis in GH's rasi chart, for

>example, becomes dubious. 11th lord Sun, joining 2nd lord Ketu, aspected

>by 4th and 5th lord Saturn, as well as natural dhana karaka Jupiter from

>the 9th, are a dhana yoga, according to Parasara, Jaimini, and all authors.

>

>Similarly, according to Jaimini, the 11th from Arudha lagna also must be

>seen for dhana yoga, as Sanjay mentioned also. Exalted lagna lord and its

>dispositor Jupiter, as well as 2nd lord Mars aspecting Gemini (The Arudha

>lagna is Leo) make this kind of judgement easy as well.

>

>Further on Dhana yogas: If three factors and their lords, come into mutual

>aspect/association (by rasi aspect) with the natural lagna, then you have

>yogas for both power and great wealth. They are the Hora lagna, Ghatika

>lagna, and Sri lagna. Sri is Laksmi, the goddess of fortune, and Her lagna

>occupies the Libra lagna of the GH chart along with the Moon. Hora and

>Ghatika lagnas are Taurus, and thus *all three* aspect the lagna, and Venus

>is the exalted lord of all of them. Yogakaraka Saturn is also in the Hora

>and Ghatika lagna, in mutual aspects with 10th lord Moon and lagna. These

>are significant and powerful Raja and Dhana yogas, which made him who he was.

>

>Still, the argument remains, as to why the other possible 20, 30, or 40

>persons born on the same day as GH with the same lagna, didn't become a

>world famous person also. Two clues here: the Hora lagna moves at a rate

>of .5 degrees per minute, while the Ghatika lagna moves at a rate of 1.25

>degrees per minute. The Sri lagna, is calculated on the basis of what

>percentage of the natal Moon's naksatra is crossed by the Moon and birth,

>and then the same percentage of the 360 d. zodiac is taken (in degrees),

>and is added onto the lagna. Thus, for most of those persons, Hora,

>Ghatika, and Sri lagnas will be different, thus putting them in a different

>category altogether than GH. What about those who were born within a

>minute or two of him, on the same day and year? Then, and only then, can

>you rely on divisional charts, as you Chris and Nicholas have stated in

>connection to births of twins. Otherwise, astrology remains a vague,

>guessing game, and not the science that it deserves to be regarded as. I

>will talk more about divisional charts in my next post.

>

>

>Best wishes,

>Robert

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Dear List Members,

 

a short time ago it was questioned, whether Libra or Virgo

Lagna better supports GH`s extraordinary wealth.

 

Now I found in Shuka Nadi (translated by venerable R.Santhanam)

the following statement (Capitel 2, Dhana Bhava, Sloka 37 c.):

 

"One will be extremely wealthy if, the ascendent lord is in

exaltation while his dispositor is in a trine."

 

This is just the combination you can find in GH`s chart

using Libra Ascendent with

Venus, Lagna Lord in exaltation and its dispositor Jupiter in the

9. house.

 

This may be helpful to clear daubts.

 

All best regards,

Volker