Divisional charts

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Dear Robert and other list members

In one of your posts you madfe mention of your extensive use of divisionnal

charts .My question is when considering a divisional chart do you consider the

functional malefics and benefics based on the rising sign of the natal chart

or the rising sign of the disviaional chart ?

Thanks

Nicholas

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Dear Nicholas,

At 06:00 AM 12/8/01 +1100, you wrote:

Dear Robert and

other list members

In one of your posts you madfe mention of your

extensive use of divisionnal charts .My question is when considering a

divisional chart do you consider the functional malefics and benefics

based on the rising sign of the natal chart or the rising sign of

the disviaional chart ?

Thanks

Nicholas

This is a good question, and thank you for that. There are

different approaches to divisional chart interpretation, yet my

experience, is that it is important to consider the functional nature of

planets according to their positions/lordships *in the divisional chart

itself*. Naturally, the "seed" of any divisional chart,

is the rasi chart, and so the nature and disposition of the planet's

natal position is important to bear in mind as well. The effects of

natal planets, and whatever they represent, are thus always going to be

modified in a particular divisional chart. Thus the positive or

negative expression of them will impact the areas of life specifically

represented by that divisional chart.

For example, if Venus, the natural karaka for marriage, is fairly well

placed in the natal chart, but weak and afflicted in the Navamsa chart,

then the judgments on the outcome of marriage will need to be modified

accordingly. In the same way, a weak or misplaced Venus

natally, may produce challenges in relationship experiences early in the

life of the native, whereas later in life, he/she attains strength in

that area, if Venus is well-placed and well-associated in the Navamsa

chart. Since varga charts represent a particular harmonic, you can

say that the affairs represented by it, are a condensation of the karmas

in that area of life. Thus experience holds, that a planet's

position in a particular divisional chart, is going to speak more loudly

to the effects of the planet *in that specific area of life*, whereas the

natal chart may speak to that area of life only in broad terms.

There are some rasi dasa systems which are calculated for specific varga

charts. Considering this, it is vital that (1) the varga charts

themselves are used to rectify the birth time against known life events;

and (2) that such varga charts be read exactly as if they were rasi

charts. Meeting both of these qualifications, then the timing of

events related to that varga, is powerful and accurate.

As I said yesterday, there will be many people on a given birthday, who

have the same natal charts. Do they all have the same, or even

similar, destinies? In the course of doing Jyotish full time for

the last 12 years, I have seen many pairs of rasi charts, with persons

born on the same day, having the same lagna, and house locations of

planets. Their inclinations and destinies vary widely.

This shows, that we can get a broad, or general view of the possibilities

for a given nativity from the rasi chart, whereas the specific views can

only come through Varga charts. For example, two twins born

by Caesarian section (this is an actual case), born five minutes

apart. One twin was strong and healthy throughout childhood, the

other was weak and confronted with a variety of health problems.

Why, if their rasi charts are nearly identical? The subtler varga

divisions reveal the reasons graphically, especially the Shastiamsa chart

(D-60), the lagna for which changes every 2 minutes. *The

Shastiamsa chart is the most improtant varga for revealing past life

karmas of the native*. As Chris said very well yesterday, these

kinds of experiences with identical Rashi charts, causes us to really

look closer at the tools given by Parasara and other sages.

Specifically, we need to do a lot of research into how divisional charts

address the subtle differences in karmas, where our otherwise insistence

on the rasi chart alone fails us.

More on this topic later, if interest persists......

Robert

=====================================

Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

Faculty member SJVC and ACVA

Phone: 541-318-0248

visit

<http://www.robertkoch.com>

or e-mail

rk (AT) robertkoch (DOT) com.

rk (AT) robertkoch (DOT) com

[Guest guest]

Dear Robert

Thanks for that

It is clear that the differences between two natives with the same natal chart

should be found in the divisionals .There are probaly two things that hold back

many astrologers from using them and that is the doubts as to the accuracy of

birth times and the conflicting opinions of the learned as to how they are

actually used .

Here is another common question which I would be interested to hear your answer

to : say if one is examining marriage do you consider the condition of the 7th

Lord of the natal chart or the 7th lord of the navamsa when considering the

navamsa chart .? If both which has precedence ?

I'm sure many of the 577 rs value your opinions .

Nicholas

 

 

Robert A. Koch

gjlist

Saturday, December 08, 2001 6:31 AM

Re: [GJ] Divisional charts

Dear Nicholas, At 06:00 AM 12/8/01 +1100, you wrote:

Dear Robert and other list membersIn one of your posts you madfe mention of your

extensive use of divisionnal charts .My question is when considering a

divisional chart do you consider the functional malefics and benefics based on

the rising sign of the natal chart or the rising sign of the disviaional chart

?ThanksNicholasThis is a good question, and thank you for that. There are

different approaches to divisional chart interpretation, yet my experience, is

that it is important to consider the functional nature of planets according to

their positions/lordships *in the divisional chart itself*. Naturally, the

"seed" of any divisional chart, is the rasi chart, and so the nature and

disposition of the planet's natal position is important to bear in mind as

well. The effects of natal planets, and whatever they represent, are thus

always going to be modified in a particular divisional chart. Thus the

positive or negative expression of them will impact the areas of life

specifically represented by that divisional chart. For example, if Venus, the

natural karaka for marriage, is fairly well placed in the natal chart, but weak

and afflicted in the Navamsa chart, then the judgments on the outcome of

marriage will need to be modified accordingly. In the same way, a weak or

misplaced Venus natally, may produce challenges in relationship experiences

early in the life of the native, whereas later in life, he/she attains strength

in that area, if Venus is well-placed and well-associated in the Navamsa chart.

Since varga charts represent a particular harmonic, you can say that the affairs

represented by it, are a condensation of the karmas in that area of life. Thus

experience holds, that a planet's position in a particular divisional chart, is

going to speak more loudly to the effects of the planet *in that specific area

of life*, whereas the natal chart may speak to that area of life only in broad

terms. There are some rasi dasa systems which are calculated for specific

varga charts. Considering this, it is vital that (1) the varga charts

themselves are used to rectify the birth time against known life events; and

(2) that such varga charts be read exactly as if they were rasi charts.

Meeting both of these qualifications, then the timing of events related to that

varga, is powerful and accurate. As I said yesterday, there will be many people

on a given birthday, who have the same natal charts. Do they all have the same,

or even similar, destinies? In the course of doing Jyotish full time for the

last 12 years, I have seen many pairs of rasi charts, with persons born on the

same day, having the same lagna, and house locations of planets. Their

inclinations and destinies vary widely. This shows, that we can get a broad,

or general view of the possibilities for a given nativity from the rasi chart,

whereas the specific views can only come through Varga charts. For example,

two twins born by Caesarian section (this is an actual case), born five minutes

apart. One twin was strong and healthy throughout childhood, the other was weak

and confronted with a variety of health problems. Why, if their rasi charts are

nearly identical? The subtler varga divisions reveal the reasons graphically,

especially the Shastiamsa chart (D-60), the lagna for which changes every 2

minutes. *The Shastiamsa chart is the most improtant varga for revealing past

life karmas of the native*. As Chris said very well yesterday, these kinds of

experiences with identical Rashi charts, causes us to really look closer at the

tools given by Parasara and other sages. Specifically, we need to do a lot of

research into how divisional charts address the subtle differences in karmas,

where our otherwise insistence on the rasi chart alone fails us. More on this

topic later, if interest persists......Robert

=====================================

Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

Faculty member SJVC and ACVA

Phone: 541-318-0248

visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mailrk (AT) robertkoch (DOT) com.

rk (AT) robertkoch (DOT) com Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat

Sat:

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[Guest guest]

Dear Robert,

 

Thanks for this very helpful post. Please do share with us your experience with

divisionals as much as your time allows here. It's great to have the clear

direction and clarifications regarding divisional charts from you.

 

You wrote:

 

>>>More on this topic later, if interest persists......

 

All best regards,

Patrice

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Dear Nicholas,

Thank you for your questions as follows:

You wrote:

Dear

Robert

Thanks for that

It is clear that the differences between two

natives with the same natal chart should be found in the divisionals

..There are probaly two things that hold back many astrologers from using

them and that is the doubts as to the accuracy of birth times and the

conflicting opinions of the learned as to how they are actually used

..

Here is another common question which I would

be interested to hear your answer to : say if one is examining marriage

do you consider the condition of the 7th Lord of the natal chart or the

7th lord of the navamsa when considering the navamsa chart .? If both

which has precedence ?

I'm sure many of the 577 rs value your

opinions .

Nicholas

In answer to the first part of your question: The varga charts themselves

should be used in the matter of rectifying the time of birth. In

order to do this, it is important to know the actual divisions pertinent

to each varga, and then see if the cusp of the rasi lagna is close to the

beginning or end of it. For example, each Navamsa covers 3:20 d. of

arc. If you have a chart wherein the rasi lagna is 6:40

minutes of some sign, then you know that within minutes, the Navamsa

lagna is going to change also. Similarly, for the Dasamsa, wherein

each division is 3 d. If you have a chart wherein the lagna is

exactly at 21 degrees of some sign, then the Dasamsa lagna could change

within moments also of the time of birth. So it is helpful to keep

a watchful eye on whether or not the lagna is exactly at the border of

one of the key divisions. If you are not used to using other varga

charts, then use the Navamsa at least. Navamsa is key in the

interpretation of hundreds of matters in Jyotish, and should never be

ignored.

IMPORTANCE OF NAVAMSA

* First, in the system of Shad-balas, Parasara lists a criteria of

strength based on Sapta-varga balas. These include 7

essential charts, i.e. Rasi, Hora, Drekkana, Navamsa, Saptamsa,

Dwadasamsa, and Trimsamsa. Vargas are not the final word so

far as planetary strengths are concerned, but they are certainly an

essential part of it.

* Regarding Navamsa: If you realize that the sidereal zodiac itself,

aligns perfectly with even divisions of one Navamsa (3:20 d.) for each

naksatra pada, then you begin to see the beautiful symmetry between

physical karmas and the impact of the environment (rasi chart), and the

accumulated effects of Dharma (represented by the Navamsa

chart). This is why many Nadi Jyotishis take the Navamsa

planets and lagna, and see them within the context of the Rasi

chart.

* The principle of 9 equals the period of gestation for a human being,

and thus taking 9 years as allotted to each sign of the zodiac, you have

Shoola and Navamsa dasas, which are key in longevity

determinations. This essentially assigns one year of the

native's life, to one Navamsa. In other words, if you progress the

rasi lagna by one Navamsa (3:20 d.) per year, you have essentially the

backbone of the most important Ayur dasas (longevity) given by

Parasara. You also have an effective system to time some

events *to within one year*. For example, if there is a strong

Venus or Darakaraka in the chart, you can time the event of marriage by

progressing the lagna by one Navamsa per year, until the Navamsa (3:20 d.

division) of that planet is reached in life. This can also be done

in the Navamsa chart itself, very effectively.

* The Navamsa chart takes the significations of the natal 9th house to a

broader spectrum. The correctness or otherwise of the

native's karma, or Dharma, is thus seen through the Navamsa chart.

Thus it is very important in the ordinary analysis of charts, to see not

just the physical effects of the environment in the current lifetime, but

also to see the interface between the broad dimensions of Dharma from the

prior incarnations, and the immediate physical karmas experienced in the

current lifetime.

* The Navamsa is crucial in determining which of the natal planets will

prosper, and in which areas. We get many indications in the BPHS,

that natal planets that are weak, but strong in the Navamsa chart,

operate like strong planets. The reverse is true of natally strong

planets, who become weak in the Navamsa. Case in point, the

principle of Vargottamamsha: if the natal lagna lord is weak and

ill-placed, yet if the lagna itself is Vargottama (i.e. in the same sign

as is the rasi lagna), then the native may suffer health problems or lack

of determination early in life, yet becomes healthier and more assertive

as life progresses. Planets that are exalted in rasi, but

debilitated in Navamsa, suffer Raja-brashta yoga, or their effectiveness

to produce Raja-yoga becomes nil. If a planet is debilitated in

rasi, yet exalted in Navamsa, then there is Neecha-bhanga, or

cancellation of debility. If the Sun in the rasi chart is exalted,

yet debilitated in Navamsa, then the individual falls from a high

position. These principles are clearly enunciated in BPHS and other

Jyotish classics.

* The Navamsa position of the Atmakaraka is called the Karakamsa lagna,

and is crucial to the assessment of the spiritual progress of the

individual in the current lifetime. It also speaks to the

Ishta-devata, or Deity served in the prior lifetimes. If the

Karakamsa lagna is afflicted, then the person - although having

Raja-yogas in the rasi chart - will act against the principles of dharma,

and will not evolve further toward spiritual emancipation. If

benefics, especially Jupiter, are in the 5th/9th, or aspect the Navamsa

lagna or Karakamsa lagna, then the person acts with integrity and correct

principles.

* Marriage is seen from the Navamsa, only in that the 7th house is the

11th from the 9th. In other words, the gain in terms of Dharma, is

that one gains a religious or spiritual spouse, who helps him/her

in the spiritual progress. You will note very often, that

those in whose chart the 9th house or its lord are weak/afflicted, will

simultaneously have difficulty in marriage. Anyway, for marriage

possibilities, note the position of the 7th lord, the Naiskargika

(natural) karaka Venus, as well as the Chara (temporal) karaka for

marriage of the rasi chart *in the Navamsa chart*. This will

give the possibilities, as well as the timings for marriage.

Note the same factors in the Navamsa chart, to see if the natal

suggestions are going to proser ultimately, or suffer setbacks

ultimately. Also note the Upapada lagna (Arudha of the 12th house),

to determine the nature, attributes, and qualities of the spouse, as well

as the times in life when marriage might, or might not, occur. Look

for afflictions to the same, in cases wherein divorce is to be

predicted.

KARAKA BHAVAS

In the Navamsa, as well as other varga charts, the Karaka Bhava is an

important vantage point from which to judge the results of that

divisional chart. For example, the Dwadasamsa (D-12) has to do with

parents. Judge the mother from the 4th house of the D-12, the

Karaka Bhava for mother, and the father from the 9th house of the

D-12. If you are not confident that the lagna of the D-12 chart is

correct, then judge the same from the karakas of both parents, i.e. Moon

for mother, and Sun for father. These are the natural

karakas. You can benefit from taking the Chara karakas relating to

parents also, and use them as lagnas in the D-12, if you are not

confident of the accuracy of the D-12 lagna.

Similarly, other varga charts: Take the Navamsa position of the Chara

Atmakaraka in the Navamsa, and use it as a lagna to time spiritual events

in the native's life through the Navamsa chart. Take the

Amatyakaraka (significator for 10th house matters), or Saturn, and use it

as a lagna in the Dasamsa chart, wherein matters related to career are to

be examined and timed. Take Jupiter as the natural

karaka for education, and find its location in the Chaturvimsamsa chart

(D-24), or education. Then you will get a good idea of when

the person might make progress in studies, or whether or not the person

will take education seriously at all. This way, the vital

harmonic associated with each varga is not lost in our search to

interpret a chart correctly, just because the birth time might be off by

a few minutes. Anyway, as I said earlier, if the rasi lagna

is very close to the border of a certain varga, or division, then use

that varga specifically to adjust the birth time. If the event or

possibility does not make sense in the respective varga chart, then the

birth time is probably off.

Finally, the overriding point is this: If astrologers do not take varga

charts seriously, then we are doing very general astrology. I am

sorry if this offends some people, but it is true. There are

probably many people, maybe even a hundred or so, WHO HAVE THE EXACT SAME

RASI CHART AS YOU DO! Are they all the same as you, and do you thus

both have identical destinies? Varga charts show the differences,

in no uncertain terms.

SPECIAL LAGNAS: The Hora lagna (this is different than the Hora varga

chart) moves twice as fast as the rasi lagna, while Ghatika lagna moves 5

times as fast. These lagnas will thus move to different houses of

the Rasi chart, with varying increments of birth time error.

Knowing how to interpret these within the context of Raja and Dhana

yogas, as we did in the chart of George Harrison, will also show you how

destiny differs for person who have the same rasi chart.

Anyway, that's it for today. If there is interest, I will post a

chart which will show very graphically the following: In this

woman's rasi chart, the 5th lord is debilitated in the 6th house, and

afflicted by functional malefics. The Moon, the Chara Putra karaka,

was also debilitated, with its dispositors afflicted as well. How

did she have 3 healthy children? The answer lies in the

Navamsa chart, and is very poignant. I will post the data, for

those who want to pursue this further. Stay tuned!

Thanks for listening,

Robert

=====================================

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Faculty member SJVC and ACVA

Phone: 541-318-0248

visit

<http://www.robertkoch.com>

or e-mail

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[Guest guest]

Dear Robert

Thanks for a very informative post which gives me a lot to take away and work through ..

One question is is the kartakamsa Lagna considered in the rasi or navamsa chart ?

Nicholas

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Dear Nicholas,

At 09:27 AM 12/11/01 +1100, you wrote:

Dear Robert

Thanks for a very informative post which gives

me a lot to take away and work through ..

One question is is the kartakamsa Lagna

considered in the rasi or navamsa chart ?

Nicholas

You are welcome, my pleasure to share!

Regarding Karakamsa: Traditional Parasari astrologers consider it only in

the Navamsa, wherein its use is described in BPHS. Some modern

Jyotishis, especially Sri K.N. Rao, have experimented with KA lagna (as

found in Navamsa), and judging it from its rasi location. This has

some advantages too, i.e. that doing this, the AK will be in a different

relation to the KL, for example, than always in the KL. Anyway, I

personally have found the Parasari method to be more useful.

Best wishes,

Robert

=====================================

Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

Faculty Member, SJVC and ACVA

Phone: 541-318-0248

visit

<http://www.robertkoch.com>

or e-mail

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rk (AT) robertkoch (DOT) com

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Dear Robert

If Rahu is the atmakaraka then he will sit in the karakamsalagna .This means the

karakamsalagna is afflicted by the Rahu Ketu axis .This means then the person

will act against the princilers of dharma . Is this correct ?

 

Feel free to take your time with the next part I'm still digesting the last blockbuster .

Nicholas

 

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Robert A. Koch

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Tuesday, December 11, 2001 10:17 AM

Re: [GJ] Divisional charts

Dear Nicholas, At 09:27 AM 12/11/01 +1100, you wrote:

Dear Robert Thanks for a very informative post which gives me a lot to take away

and work through ..One question is is the kartakamsa Lagna considered in the

rasi or navamsa chart ?NicholasYou are welcome, my pleasure to share!Regarding

Karakamsa: Traditional Parasari astrologers consider it only in the Navamsa,

wherein its use is described in BPHS. Some modern Jyotishis, especially Sri

K.N. Rao, have experimented with KA lagna (as found in Navamsa), and judging it

from its rasi location. This has some advantages too, i.e. that doing this, the

AK will be in a different relation to the KL, for example, than always in the

KL. Anyway, I personally have found the Parasari method to be more useful.

Best wishes,

Robert

=====================================

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Faculty Member, SJVC and ACVA

Phone: 541-318-0248

visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail

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Krishna; Om Tat Sat:

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[Guest guest]

Dear Nicholas,

At 07:27 PM 12/11/01 +1100, you wrote:

Dear

Robert

If Rahu is the atmakaraka then he will sit in

the karakamsalagna .This means the karakamsalagna is afflicted by the

Rahu Ketu axis .This means then the person will act against the

princilers of dharma . Is this correct ?

This is a good question, and brings us to a closer examination of the

function of the Atmakaraka. The AK desires to lead the soul to its

ultimate destination, which is Moksha, or release from the imprisonment

of cycles of births and deaths. It is thus the

"King" of the chart, and wishes to bring to finality, the

results of sins, or "vikarmas", performed by the native, and

thus which obstruct the path of advancement. In fact, Parasara

explains that the virility or otherwise of Raja yogas, is dependent on

how strong the Atmakaraka is in the chart, as well as the Karakamsa

lagna. Now, if natural malefics become the AK, then it is assumed

that the individual has evolved further in his/her trek to Moksha than

most, as the most Tamasic of planets (Saturn, Mars, and Rahu in

particular), has become the agent for the soul's Moksha. If Tamasic

Rahu can be the agent of Moksha, then the individual is practically

sinless.

For examples, note the charts of great saints, such as Sri Srimad A.C.

Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, and Paramahamsa Ramakrishna, both of whom

had Rahu as the AK. As to your question above: Rahu as the AK

protects Dharma, and thus does not afflict the Karakamsa lagna.

Ketu will aspect the KL, yet Ketu is the natural Moksakaraka, and thus

both in unison, open the doors to liberation (barring other obstructing

factors) for the native. In this connection, see the position

of the KL and AK in its relation to the Lagnamsa, or Navamsa

lagna. Their positioning in Dusthanas, may make the path

difficult, whereas in more benign positions, a lot easier.

If anybody would like me to send a very educational article on the Chara

Atmakaraka, by Sanjay Rath, write to me, and I would be glad to send it.

Best wishes,

Robert

=====================================

Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

Faculty Member, SJVC and ACVA

Phone: 541-318-0248

visit

<http://www.robertkoch.com>

or e-mail

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[Guest guest]

Dear Robert

Thanks .Does the major period of the atmakaraka bring more suffering to eradicate the sins .

Nicholas

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Robert A. Koch

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Wednesday, December 12, 2001 7:00 AM

Re: [GJ] Divisional charts

Dear Nicholas, At 07:27 PM 12/11/01 +1100, you wrote:

Dear RobertIf Rahu is the atmakaraka then he will sit in the karakamsalagna

..This means the karakamsalagna is afflicted by the Rahu Ketu axis .This means

then the person will act against the princilers of dharma . Is this correct

?This is a good question, and brings us to a closer examination of the function

of the Atmakaraka. The AK desires to lead the soul to its ultimate destination,

which is Moksha, or release from the imprisonment of cycles of births and

deaths. It is thus the "King" of the chart, and wishes to bring to finality,

the results of sins, or "vikarmas", performed by the native, and thus which

obstruct the path of advancement. In fact, Parasara explains that the virility

or otherwise of Raja yogas, is dependent on how strong the Atmakaraka is in the

chart, as well as the Karakamsa lagna. Now, if natural malefics become the AK,

then it is assumed that the individual has evolved further in his/her trek to

Moksha than most, as the most Tamasic of planets (Saturn, Mars, and Rahu in

particular), has become the agent for the soul's Moksha. If Tamasic Rahu can

be the agent of Moksha, then the individual is practically sinless. For

examples, note the charts of great saints, such as Sri Srimad A.C.

Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, and Paramahamsa Ramakrishna, both of whom had

Rahu as the AK. As to your question above: Rahu as the AK protects Dharma, and

thus does not afflict the Karakamsa lagna. Ketu will aspect the KL, yet Ketu is

the natural Moksakaraka, and thus both in unison, open the doors to liberation

(barring other obstructing factors) for the native. In this connection, see

the position of the KL and AK in its relation to the Lagnamsa, or Navamsa

lagna. Their positioning in Dusthanas, may make the path difficult, whereas

in more benign positions, a lot easier. If anybody would like me to send a

very educational article on the Chara Atmakaraka, by Sanjay Rath, write to me,

and I would be glad to send it.

Best wishes,

Robert

=====================================

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Faculty Member, SJVC and ACVA

Phone: 541-318-0248

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Dear Robert

I have a similar question regarding the bhukti of the atmakaraka.

Marcia

At 08:19 PM 12/12/01 +1100, you wrote:

Dear

Robert

Thanks .Does the major period of

the atmakaraka bring more suffering to eradicate the sins

..

Nicholas

[Guest guest]

Dear Nicholas,

At 08:19 PM 12/12/01 +1100, you wrote:

Dear

Robert

Thanks .Does the major period of the

atmakaraka bring more suffering to eradicate the sins .

Nicholas

This has been my experience. If the dispositor of the

dasa lord is the AK, or if, in the case of rasi dasas like Narayana dasa,

the AK is in the dasa rasi, then you are going to get a good amount of

suffering during those dasas. Depending on how the AK is situated,

and in which Navamsa as well, you will know how much knowledge and

spiritual advancement will come to the native also. See if

there is a malefic kartari around the AK, or if the AK is in parivartana

with a malefic, to get an idea of how accelerated the purging of sins

will be, and thus how much suffering (and due to which factors in

life). Note the dasas of Rahu/Ketu also, and see if their

dispositors is the AK. This could give you the ride of your life!

Best wishes,

Robert

=====================================

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Faculty Member, SJVC and ACVA

Phone: 541-318-0248

visit

<http://www.robertkoch.com>

or e-mail

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[Guest guest]

Dear Robert

Thankyou

Rahu is my atmakaraka and Rahu is already renowned for taking you for a ride

without being the Atmakaraka . So I suppose when he is the atmakaraka and badly

placed (in my case in the 12th) then you really go for a ride .Well it is true

that during Rahu Rahu I went through some patches that were total shockers but

I did also visit the Holy Dhamas 3 times and so at least in my case all you

have said about the atmakaraka is true .

Best wishes

Nicholas

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Robert A. Koch

gjlist

Thursday, December 13, 2001 6:36 AM

Re: [GJ] Divisional charts

Dear Nicholas, At 08:19 PM 12/12/01 +1100, you wrote:

Dear RobertThanks .Does the major period of the atmakaraka bring more suffering

to eradicate the sins .NicholasThis has been my experience. If the dispositor

of the dasa lord is the AK, or if, in the case of rasi dasas like Narayana dasa,

the AK is in the dasa rasi, then you are going to get a good amount of suffering

during those dasas. Depending on how the AK is situated, and in which Navamsa

as well, you will know how much knowledge and spiritual advancement will come

to the native also. See if there is a malefic kartari around the AK, or if

the AK is in parivartana with a malefic, to get an idea of how accelerated the

purging of sins will be, and thus how much suffering (and due to which factors

in life). Note the dasas of Rahu/Ketu also, and see if their dispositors is

the AK. This could give you the ride of your life!

Best wishes,

Robert

=====================================

Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

Faculty Member, SJVC and ACVA

Phone: 541-318-0248

visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail

rk (AT) robertkoch (DOT) com. rk (AT) robertkoch (DOT) com and

rkoch (AT) bendnet (DOT) com rkoch (AT) bendnet (DOT) comOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare

Krishna; Om Tat Sat:

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[Guest guest]

Dear Robert and list

In rereading this post and Natabra's it now makes sense why this

particular period of time

has been so difficult for me.

Rahu/Moon - Rahu mahadasa with AK moon as dispositor, and AK moon

bhukti.

It makes me ALMOST look forward to rahu/mars.

Thanks

Marcia

At 07:15 AM 12/13/01 +1100, you wrote:

Note the dasas of Rahu/Ketu

also, and see if their dispositors is the AK. This could give you

the ride of your life!

Best wishes,

Robert

[Guest guest]

Dear Nicholas

 

I was taught NOT to view the nodes as karakas through the Jaimini system.

 

What planet would be the latest in degree if it were not Rahu?

 

c

 

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Nicholas

gjlist

Wednesday, December 12, 2001 2:15 PM

Re: [GJ] Divisional charts

Dear Robert

Thankyou

Rahu is my atmakaraka and Rahu is already renowned for taking you for a ride

without being the Atmakaraka . So I suppose when he is the atmakaraka and badly

placed (in my case in the 12th) then you really go for a ride .Well it is true

that during Rahu Rahu I went through some patches that were total shockers but

I did also visit the Holy Dhamas 3 times and so at least in my case all you

have said about the atmakaraka is true .

Best wishes

Nicholas

-

Robert A. Koch

gjlist

Thursday, December 13, 2001 6:36 AM

Re: [GJ] Divisional charts

Dear Nicholas, At 08:19 PM 12/12/01 +1100, you wrote:

Dear RobertThanks .Does the major period of the atmakaraka bring more suffering

to eradicate the sins .NicholasThis has been my experience. If the dispositor

of the dasa lord is the AK, or if, in the case of rasi dasas like Narayana dasa,

the AK is in the dasa rasi, then you are going to get a good amount of suffering

during those dasas. Depending on how the AK is situated, and in which Navamsa

as well, you will know how much knowledge and spiritual advancement will come

to the native also. See if there is a malefic kartari around the AK, or if

the AK is in parivartana with a malefic, to get an idea of how accelerated the

purging of sins will be, and thus how much suffering (and due to which factors

in life). Note the dasas of Rahu/Ketu also, and see if their dispositors is

the AK. This could give you the ride of your life!

Best wishes,

Robert

=====================================

Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

Faculty Member, SJVC and ACVA

Phone: 541-318-0248

visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail

rk (AT) robertkoch (DOT) com. rk (AT) robertkoch (DOT) com and

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[Guest guest]

Dear Cynthia

My birth details are September 10 1961 7.29 AM 10E 37 50 S 145 00 E giving a

Virgo 16 Lagna .K.N.Rao uses a 7 chara Karaka system whereas the SJVC use the 8

Chara karaka system .BPHS mentions both so both schools of thought have a long

history .If you use the 7 chara karaka system then my Atmakaraka becomes the

Sun .

 

n

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cynthia novak

gjlist

Thursday, December 13, 2001 8:03 AM

Re: [GJ] Divisional charts

Dear Nicholas

 

I was taught NOT to view the nodes as karakas through the Jaimini system.

 

What planet would be the latest in degree if it were not Rahu?

 

c

 

-

Nicholas

gjlist

Wednesday, December 12, 2001 2:15 PM

Re: [GJ] Divisional charts

Dear Robert

Thankyou

Rahu is my atmakaraka and Rahu is already renowned for taking you for a ride

without being the Atmakaraka . So I suppose when he is the atmakaraka and badly

placed (in my case in the 12th) then you really go for a ride .Well it is true

that during Rahu Rahu I went through some patches that were total shockers but

I did also visit the Holy Dhamas 3 times and so at least in my case all you

have said about the atmakaraka is true .

Best wishes

Nicholas

-

Robert A. Koch

gjlist

Thursday, December 13, 2001 6:36 AM

Re: [GJ] Divisional charts

Dear Nicholas, At 08:19 PM 12/12/01 +1100, you wrote:

Dear RobertThanks .Does the major period of the atmakaraka bring more suffering

to eradicate the sins .NicholasThis has been my experience. If the dispositor

of the dasa lord is the AK, or if, in the case of rasi dasas like Narayana dasa,

the AK is in the dasa rasi, then you are going to get a good amount of suffering

during those dasas. Depending on how the AK is situated, and in which Navamsa

as well, you will know how much knowledge and spiritual advancement will come

to the native also. See if there is a malefic kartari around the AK, or if

the AK is in parivartana with a malefic, to get an idea of how accelerated the

purging of sins will be, and thus how much suffering (and due to which factors

in life). Note the dasas of Rahu/Ketu also, and see if their dispositors is

the AK. This could give you the ride of your life!

Best wishes,

Robert

=====================================

Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

Faculty Member, SJVC and ACVA

Phone: 541-318-0248

visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail

rk (AT) robertkoch (DOT) com. rk (AT) robertkoch (DOT) com and

rkoch (AT) bendnet (DOT) com rkoch (AT) bendnet (DOT) comOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare

Krishna; Om Tat Sat:

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