George Harrison

[Guest guest]

Namaste, List members

 

If you look up his arudas, you will see AL & A9 (Lakshmi Yoga) in 11th Leo

with his AK Ra- destined arts for this soul to bring into the world; Leo is

also sign of A7 too (radical western artistic group-business). His 3rd from

AL Libra has Mo for music (exalted lord Ve); And exalted Ve is the DK-in

fact that 8th from AL exalted Ve Pisces could give him some "magical

intuitive yogi" skills in Venusian arts; Also it was during his Ju dasa vim

that his greatest Beatle Fame manifested...thus his AK Ra in Leo (3rd from

vims Mahadasa lord) was activated for the unprecedented radical music he &

the group brought the world.

 

Those upagrahas affecting Me in Cap A2-A8 make me suspicious of some throat

afflictions-entities which are also aspected by Sa & Ra in rasi

 

Also, Ju is Maheswara in this Libra lagna chart. t Ju was aspecting the

Lagna with MB Pt at 4 degrees & the Mo & Su-Ke in Aquarius.

 

Best wishes, Tara

[Guest guest]

Rajan,

 

I just got back from being out of town. It is Sunday night.

 

I am happy that you feel better about Virgo rising inhis chart. It

does make better sense.

 

Mercury is the lord of the 12th from the Moon, a maraka. But I admit,

given that Mercury is the well-placed lord of the ascendent, one

would not expect him to pass away during the Mercury dasha. But I

guess that the chart as a whole didn't have enough longevity to get

him through the dasha. Akbar the Great passed away during the Saturn

dasha, Saturn being the yoga karaka in the ascendent. As they say, "

go figure."

 

As I remember, there was some confusion as to whether he was born

just before midnight or just after, hence the confusion between 24th

and 25th. But Virgo does fit him.

 

Later,

 

Dharmapada

 

gjlist, silvertrine@a... wrote:

> Dharmapada, thank you for your explanation.

> MAY BE I DO HAVE THE TIME WRONG (i.e. did not account for the war

> time error)....as Virgo Ascendant (rather than libra) fits quite

> well. With 5th lord Saturn in 9th; and 2nd & 9th lord Venus exalted

> and aspecting ascendant account for fame and MAHALAXMI YOGA for

> immense wealth. Sun & Ketu conjuction in 6th AIRY sign may explain

> the health problems with throat and lungs....but why during Mercury

> dasha?

>

> And thank you for the link to your web-site and informative article

> on George Harrison. Though you have used date of 25th Feb 1943,

Lois

> Rodden gives date as 24th ? hence the confusion also.

>

> regards

>

> Rajan

[Guest guest]

> Dharmapada, you wrote:

>

> >I also agree that Libra rising doesn't seem to fit him, although

that

> >rising sign does kind of fit the longevity karma. To tell the

truth,

> >when he was born, there were two hours of daylight time because of

> >the war, which puts the rising sign at about 29* of Virgo.

>

> First, I do not find from my copy of the ACS Atlas that Double

British

> Wartime was in effect on the birthday given (2/24/1943; 23:42;

Liverpool,

> Eng). What is your reference material that gives - 2 hrs. as the

time

> zone for Liverpool at that time?

 

Robert,

 

Thanks for the kind words even though you are not convinced.

 

My reference is the book Time Changes in the World by Doris Chase

Doane, page 50.

 

Also, I remember years ago being with Richard Houk in his home- I am

a native Washintonian. He was double-checking my John Lennon chart

calculation, and he was the one who first brought it to my attention

from his reference book, but it was a different one. It was a thick,

white book. He didn't think much of the Doris Chase Doane series, his

book was really a lot thicker and nicely printed.

 

> Secondly, I do not have too much time today to go into an in-depth

study of

> this. However, at first analysis of the chart, how would your

rationalize

> his dying of throat cancer from a Virgo rising chart? Moon in

second, 2nd

> lord Venus exalted, yet aspected by Mars (not enough to give death

by

> cancer of the throat); and 4th and 7th lord Rx Jupiter aspecting

the 2nd?

 

 

Robert-

 

Although the second represents the mouth and speech, the third is the

house of the throat, right? The third-lord Mars is aspected by Rahu.

Rahu acts like Saturn in various ways, one of them being that both

planets are indicative of cancer. What to speak of Saturn itself-

Saturn, as the lord of the house of sickness, directly aspects the

third.

 

The death at this point in time can be justified by the Virgo chart.

At first look, you wouldn't think so, because he was in the middle of

the dasha of a rather well-placed ascendent lord. However- the sub

lord Sun is certainly maraka, the sun occupies the sixth, represents

the end of life due to owning the 12th, and receives the aspect of

sixth lord Saturn.

 

Mercury is the lord of the 12th from the Moon, so maraka can occur

during his dasha.

 

In the Stira scheme, the Libra-Aquarius dasha was operating, both

maraka places. According to Chara dasha, Taurus-Sagittarius was

operating, Taurus containing Ayushkaraka-sixth-lord Saturn and

Sagittarius containing the eighth lord Mars.

 

In terms of overall longevity, Mercury the ascendent lord has

papkartari on either side, with Gulika, eighth-lord Mars and the

aspect of Rahu on one side, and that nasty Sun with Ketu on the

other.

 

As for his raj yoga success, Vargottama Virgo rising, with the

ascedent lord in the fifth, and ninth lord, exalted Venus aspecting

the ascendent from a quadrant can account for it. This is much

stronger than Venus-the-ascendent-lord in the sixth for Libra

ascendent, with the Moon as the lord of a quadrant in the ascendent.

He wasn't just a backup musician, he was a giant of rock and roll. I

don't even know the names of the other Rolling Stones,just Mick

Jaggaer and Keith Richards. But George Harrison was the number one

act, on his own, for about three years after the Beatles, second only

maybe to Led Zepplin. He was a big millionare, had one of the prime

properties in Britain, and was a household name in several

continents. That Libra chart just doesn't have the ascendent, nor

anything else, to lift up an individual like that.

 

IMHO!

 

Dharmapada

 

 

> If Libra were rising, then we see that the 2nd lord is Ketu (the

stronger

> between dual lords of Mars and Ketu, according to Jaimini Sutram),

aspected

> by Sun, Rahu, Saturn, and 3rd and 6th lord Rx Jupiter. Also,

death during

> the time when Saturn is in Chandrashtama (8th from Moon), also 8th

from

> lagna, is more likely than transit Saturn in the 9th (as for

Virgo). Also,

> Rahu's transiting aspect to the lagna to *nearly the exact degree*

on

> 11/29/2001, puts the event of death more likely into the category

of Libra

> rising at about 5 degrees. Note that this also puts transit Rahu

on the

> Navamsa lagna as well. It is of particular note too, that transit

Moon was

> in Chandrashtama also on the day of his passing, along with

Saturn. These

> are hallmark combinations for death, which you cannot reconcile

very easily

> with the Virgo rising chart.

>

> Anyway, food for thought. I would be interested in hearing your

> comments. I will try to look into other life events later today,

time

> permitting, to see if other things confirm.

>

> Best wishes,

> Robert

>

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[Guest guest]

> He was a big millionare, had one of the prime

properties in Britain, and was a household name in

several continents. That Libra chart just doesn't

have the ascendent, nor anything else, to lift up an

individual like that.<

 

Dharmaphada,

You raise some interesting points.Note that for Virgo

ascendent, Lakshmi yoga is present. ie When the lord

of 9H and Venus occupy their own or exaltation rashis

in an angular or trine house. Also 11L Moon in 2H is

disposited by angular exalted Venus which forms the

Lakshmi yoga.

 

 

Regards

Ron

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Jai Guru Dev,

I just want to add my two cents on George Harrison issue. In my practical

experience, when you take about 50 charts of people with Kanya lagna and 50

charts of people with Tula lagna, you can see the difference very clearly.

Kanya Lagna people are very talkative and communicative. If Budh is

afflicted (Surya and Mangal aspect), they even interrupt others and don't

let them finish their sentences. If Sani aspects Budh, then they can control

their speech. I don't mean they speak badly, nor that they speak evil, just

that they LOVE to talk.

Tula Lagna people don't talk so much, they weigh every word (that' why it is

called 'Libra' - balance). George Harrison didn't talk much, neither during

the Beatles era, nor after that (just compare him with John Lennon with

Kanya Lagna who talked more that other three together!).

 

There is a ENORMOUS difference between Kanya and Tula Lagna. One must not

discard the fact that general things are general, but they DO imply. Things

I wrote above are valid regardless of avasthas, yogas, divisonal charts,

etc.

 

Jai Guru Dev

El Suelmo

[Guest guest]

Dear Suelmo

Nice to have some different persons contributing . A well thought out post .

Actually I find with Virgos that they tend to be better talkers than

listeners .They tend to be very interesting speakers but not so good at

listening to others .Librans are far better listeners and as you say tend to

weigh each word .

 

One other point on this discussion that George Harrison's shyness and

reservation could only be explained by Kanya Lagna is not necessarily true .

There is a vast difference between the nakshatras of Libra .Chitra has the

jewel on his head and one way or another shines and this is where GH moon is

found .Svati on the other hand gives a far more humble,reserved character

and this is where Motilal rectified the Lagna to .Vishaka known as the

conqueror is quite the opposite of Svati and gives a steam roller type

character .

 

Jay Gurudeva

Nicholas

 

 

 

-

"Suelmo" <ignac.peras

<gjlist>

Monday, December 10, 2001 8:11 AM

[GJ] Re: George Harrison

 

 

> Jai Guru Dev,

> I just want to add my two cents on George Harrison issue. In my practical

> experience, when you take about 50 charts of people with Kanya lagna and

50

> charts of people with Tula lagna, you can see the difference very clearly.

> Kanya Lagna people are very talkative and communicative. If Budh is

> afflicted (Surya and Mangal aspect), they even interrupt others and don't

> let them finish their sentences. If Sani aspects Budh, then they can

control

> their speech. I don't mean they speak badly, nor that they speak evil,

just

> that they LOVE to talk.

> Tula Lagna people don't talk so much, they weigh every word (that' why it

is

> called 'Libra' - balance). George Harrison didn't talk much, neither

during

> the Beatles era, nor after that (just compare him with John Lennon with

> Kanya Lagna who talked more that other three together!).

>

> There is a ENORMOUS difference between Kanya and Tula Lagna. One must not

> discard the fact that general things are general, but they DO imply.

Things

> I wrote above are valid regardless of avasthas, yogas, divisonal charts,

> etc.

>

> Jai Guru Dev

> El Suelmo

>

>

>

>

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

[Guest guest]

on 4/1/02 4:16 am, Das Goravani at wrote:

 

>

>

> I'm posting this because it's cute.

> The activities of devotees on this level are always fun.

> Hope everybody enjoys it.

> These two, Prabhupada and George, got some things done together for the

> KC movement.

> Now they're both gone, but the joy lingers on. -Das Goravani

>

 

Thanks for posting that. Very nice.

 

Arthur