Guest guest Posted November 21, 2001 Report Share Posted November 21, 2001 Dear Rahul, See whether it is Neechabhanga or not. If not, it is very bad. If Saturn retrogrades, it will confer unncessary journeys and wanderings like a potter's wheel ( Kulalasya Chakravath Purusham ). Increase of sorrow. ( Papa Vysanadha Pumsam Kurvanthi cha Vridhadanam ) G Kumar Vedic Astrologer www.zodiaccomputers.com RAHUL PATEL wrote: > Sir, > I would like to know if Saturn is retrograde and > it is in Aries(Mesh) and in the 4th house then what is > effect of the retrograde Saturn and which "Neech" in > Mesh? > > Regards, > > rahul patel > > > > GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. > http://geocities./ps/info1 > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2001 Report Share Posted November 25, 2001 Dear Friends, I wanted some clarifications about the effect of retrograde planets. Do retrograde planets behave in the exactly opposite way in a house, compared to their effect in normal motion? I mean such as whether a retrograde planet debilitated behaves as exalted, or a weak planet becomes strong? Or is it just that the planet follows the same effects as they ordinarily would, but in less intensity and in a weak manner? Do retrograde planets necessarily behave in evil way even though placed in auspicious houses, or can they have good effects to some extents? I shall be very grateful for your kind help. Krishna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2001 Report Share Posted November 25, 2001 Dear krishna In my experience a retrograde planet acts just as you would expect only it manifests more internally rather than externally. I have never found it to work in the previous house as some would suggest. I'll give you a personal example. I have retrograde Saturn, in Libra in the 10th. I am a professional astrologer. Some may see me as successful, others a failure because I am not using the college degrees I acquired. It really doesn't matter much to me because I truly enjoy my work and have many repeat clients. It is a personal feeling rather than externally motivated. If you have a person who has Venus in Libra, but it is retrograde. That person will struggle to feel loved but they will succeed. Again, the struggle and success will not be apparant to others, but will be confirmed by the native. Looking forward to other opinions. c - <krishna_savani <gjlist> Sunday, November 25, 2001 4:02 PM [GJ] Retrograde Planets > Dear Friends, > > I wanted some clarifications about the effect of retrograde planets. > > Do retrograde planets behave in the exactly opposite way in a house, > compared to their effect in normal motion? I mean such as whether a > retrograde planet debilitated behaves as exalted, or a weak planet > becomes strong? > > Or is it just that the planet follows the same effects as they > ordinarily would, but in less intensity and in a weak manner? Do > retrograde planets necessarily behave in evil way even though placed > in auspicious houses, or can they have good effects to some extents? > > I shall be very grateful for your kind help. > Krishna. > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2001 Report Share Posted November 25, 2001 Krishna: The short answer to these questions is: nobody really knows. There is a lot of conflicting stuff out there on retrogradation. I think the most popular understanding is that retrograde planets are stronger than direct planets, but they tend to ameliorate the negative effects of malefics while reducing the positive effects of benefics planets. The exaltation/debilitation question is even more contentious and I won't even suggest a single line of thought on that subject. In practice, I don't think most astrologers pay too much attention to retrogradation, unless it's convenient for them to do so. My advice would be to look at a few charts and make up your own mind. I think it matters more to look at the planet in question that is retrograde and then look for some qualities of that planet that may be oddly or weakly expressed. For example, if Venus is retrograde, then the native will have an usual approach to marriage or sexual matters. This may delay marriage in some cases, but as always, the whole horoscope has to be examined. So don't get hung up on strength so much as actual qualities. My rule of thumb is that slower planets are more powerful, although this extra strength only kicks in when they are travelling at less that 25% of their normal speed -- and that applies to both backward and forward motion. Chris At 10:02 PM 11/25/01 -0000, krishna_savani wrote: >Dear Friends, > >I wanted some clarifications about the effect of retrograde planets. > >Do retrograde planets behave in the exactly opposite way in a house, >compared to their effect in normal motion? I mean such as whether a >retrograde planet debilitated behaves as exalted, or a weak planet >becomes strong? > >Or is it just that the planet follows the same effects as they >ordinarily would, but in less intensity and in a weak manner? Do >retrograde planets necessarily behave in evil way even though placed >in auspicious houses, or can they have good effects to some extents? > >I shall be very grateful for your kind help. >Krishna. > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2001 Report Share Posted November 25, 2001 --- Christopher Kevill <ckevill wrote: > Krishna: > > The short answer to these questions is: nobody > really knows. There is a > lot of conflicting stuff out there on > In practice, I don't > think most astrologers pay too much attention to > retrogradation, unless > it's convenient for them to do so. My advice would > be to look at a few > charts and make up your own mind. I think it > matters more to look at the > planet in question that is retrograde and then look > for some qualities of > that planet that may be oddly or weakly expressed. I agree with this. I haven't seen people really take the retrogression factor seriously unless convenient; like explaining why a Yoga did not materialize. My experience is that this factor matters seriously only if the planet is either debilitated or exalted. Anyway, as Chris says, you need to decide on your own. One more thing: The BPHS makes a mention in the 'ariShTaadhyaaya'. I don't know if there is any other mention of the planet yeilding different results in retrogression. Regards, NDS GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities./ps/info1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2001 Report Share Posted November 25, 2001 Dear Krishna, Retograde plantets may change the total scenerio of a birth chart. Retogression planet is like a person moving forward but reviewing his position for the past house. Its position and relation with planets in adjoining houses will clear the results it will give. Suppose Saturan exalted is retograde having Ketu or Mars or Sun in the virgo or in trines to virgo it will be bad. But results will be opposite if you find Venus ,Jupiter or Mercury in the same position. In Shadbala retograde stars get strength, but it is very general. In fact retograde stars , combust stars etc are confusing in Astrology, but they give or take not exactly in the way books teach us. In my personal experience the retograde planets represents those karmas , for which God has given us 2nd chance to review our decision , natural forces will bend our mind to the direction , which suits to the retograde planet, i.e same house or back house. As it becomes matter of decision for us to use our free will for taking a right decision or fall in the flow of the wrong karma/ which we did in previous birth , the efects of such planets are delayed to delete or to add the negative tendencies . Hope it will help. Inder Jit Sahni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2001 Report Share Posted November 26, 2001 Dear Krishna, Let us take another example. Suppose Jupiter is in Picses, Saturan in Aquairius, Ketu in Picses , but more in longitude than Jupiter.Sun in leo and Venus in libra. Venus less in longitude than Saturan. In this case Jupiter and Saturan will be retograde.Jupiter backward motion is a sign of moving away from spritual pursuits of life towards materalisim (Saturan trine with Venus and Saturan is more in longitude ) this tendency started in the previous birth , giving success in materalisim , proffesion and status( Sun in Leo).This success in previous birth averted the mind away from the Spritualisim (check the position of moon too for this). So in this birth this man will achieve the spritual knowledge as well as chances to rise high in material word. Here it will be free will of the person involved to bend his way. Though with ascendent and moon you can judge the strength of tendencies i.e if it is toward Ketu or toward Saturan. Regards, Inder Jit Sahni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2001 Report Share Posted November 26, 2001 Dear Krishna, Mantreswara states in his observation that a retrograde planet not only possesses strength but produces effects similar to those of exaltation even though such a planet be debilitated or occupy an inimical place. Kalyanavarma goes a step further in holding that retrograde benefics confer political power while retrograde malefics cause sorrow and aimless wandering. Bhavartha Ratnakara says malefics cause good by having retrograde motion. Uttarakalamtrita strikes a different note when it suggests that a retrograde planet is similar to an exalted planet; in his exaltation house - the planet behaves like a debilitated and in a debilitated place behaves as an exalted planet. Jai Sri Krishna - Shailesh email : shailesh - <krishna_savani <gjlist> Monday, November 26, 2001 3:32 AM [GJ] Retrograde Planets > Dear Friends, > > I wanted some clarifications about the effect of retrograde planets. > > Do retrograde planets behave in the exactly opposite way in a house, > compared to their effect in normal motion? I mean such as whether a > retrograde planet debilitated behaves as exalted, or a weak planet > becomes strong? > > Or is it just that the planet follows the same effects as they > ordinarily would, but in less intensity and in a weak manner? Do > retrograde planets necessarily behave in evil way even though placed > in auspicious houses, or can they have good effects to some extents? > > I shall be very grateful for your kind help. > Krishna. > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2001 Report Share Posted November 26, 2001 Dear Cynthia, Nomadeva, Christopher, Inder and Shailesh, Thank you a lot in taking time on writing about retrograde planets. Your excellent inputs have helped me to great extents. With warm regards, Krishna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2001 Report Share Posted November 26, 2001 Dear List Members, here is an excert from Vault of the Heavens on retrograde Planets, which makes a planet SHakta Avastha. Please note that diagrams are not included since they can't be cut and pasted into the e mail: Best Regards, Ernst Wilhelm www.vedic astrology.net Kala Vedic Astrology Software & Kala Occult Publishers SHAKTA- POWERFUL A planet is powerful when retrograde. The planets outside Earth's orbit, namely Mars, Jupiter and Saturn, are retrograde when they are opposite, or near opposite, the Sun. When one of these planets is opposite the Sun, Earth is between it and the Sun. At this point the planet is the closest to Earth, its rays, therefore, are the brightest and it becomes powerful in its own nature. The planets inside Earth's orbit, namely Mercury and Venus, are retrograde when in inferior conjunction, the conjunction wherein the planet is between the Earth and the Sun. At this point the planet is again closest to the Earth. There are differences of opinion regarding the effects of a retrograde planet. Sri Mantresvara agrees that a planet becomes very powerful, and also auspicious, when retrograde as he states in PhalaDeepika, 9; 20: "When a planet is in a retrograde motion he will produce the same effects as if he is posited in exaltation, even if he is in his enemy's sign or debilitation." Brihat Parashara Hora Sastra, in the calculation for the Ishta and Kashta (good and ill) of the planets, infers that a planet's benefic tendencies are greater when retrograde. The greater the Cheshta Bala (motional strength) the greater the good of the planet. The Cheshta Bala is greatest during a planet's retrograde motion. It appears, therefore, that a planet is more benefic during its retrograde motion. Bhavartha Ratnakara, 13; 16 supports this view: "Malefics cause good by having retrograde motion." Saravali, 5; 39, however does not hold the view that malefics are capable of good when they are retrograde: "Retrograde planets are very powerful. The benefics confer kingship while the malefics cause misery and aimless wandering." Furthermore, some astrological classics state that the dasa of a planet that is retrograde is good, while others state that it will be difficult. The fact that there are many contradictions comes at no surprise when you consider that a retrograde planet, though appearing to move retrograde from our view on Earth, is actually moving forward from the view of the Sun. The planet is, therefore, moving in two directions and that makes it tricky to really know what effects it will give. Is it going to give the forward motion effects or the retrograde effects? The most important factor in determining the effects of a retrograde planet is whether the planet is indicating auspicious results or inauspicious results due to its placement, yogas, etc., and not its natural benefic or malefic quality. If a retrograde planet is indicating auspicious results by placement, yogas, etc., then it will give more auspicious results than if it were not retrograde, all other factors equal. If a retrograde planet is indicating inauspicious results then it will give less inauspicious results then if it were not retrograde, all other factors equal. A very important factor to be aware of regarding the Shakta Avasthas is that Shakti is particularly the power of the consciousness. Retrograde planets, therefore, are more under the conscious influence of the native. The native will generally make conscious decisions regarding the affairs of the retrograde planets as well as make conscious decisions during the periods of the retrograde planets. A few other important points regarding retrograde planets follow: 1. A retrograde planet should be considered powerful, as the ShaktaAvastha describes, giving its results with great force and its auspicious results in great measure. 2. All retrograde planets are worse for health than when direct. The retrograde motion is not vitalizing to the physical organism and indicates inherently weaker organs. 3. Retrograde planets, when they affect the 7th house or lord, or when a retrograde planet is the 7th lord, seem to cause less fulfillment and greater difficulties in relationships. This is because, in relationships, if you are not moving forward, the relationship suffers, and with a retrograde planet it becomes more difficult to move forward. 4. Retrograde planets have more surprises to offer of an unexpected nature. 5. As retrograde planets are closer to Earth they emphasize some aspect of the natives individuality which is more unique to the native's character. A retrograde planet operates in a manner that is in reverse of, or different from, the collective trend or mentality, thereby individualizing the native. 6. A retrograde planet is traveling back over a portion of space that it has just crossed. This emphasizes a more powerful past life influence with lessons and talents that are of greater importance to develop and use in this lifetime. 7. Retrograde planets often have the capacity to bring something that was in use in the past into the present. They are therefore more inclined to prompt interests that are from an older time or culture than a direct planet. - "Shailesh K Parekh" <shailesh <gjlist> Monday, November 26, 2001 1:26 AM Re: [GJ] Retrograde Planets > Dear Krishna, > > Mantreswara states in his observation that a retrograde planet not only > possesses strength but produces effects similar to those of exaltation even > though such a planet be debilitated or occupy an inimical place. > > Kalyanavarma goes a step further in holding that retrograde benefics confer > political power while retrograde malefics cause sorrow and aimless > wandering. > > Bhavartha Ratnakara says malefics cause good by having retrograde motion. > > Uttarakalamtrita strikes a different note when it suggests that a retrograde > planet is similar to an exalted planet; in his exaltation house - the > planet behaves like a debilitated and in a debilitated place behaves as an > exalted planet. > > Jai Sri Krishna - Shailesh > email : shailesh > > > - > <krishna_savani > <gjlist> > Monday, November 26, 2001 3:32 AM > [GJ] Retrograde Planets > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > I wanted some clarifications about the effect of retrograde planets. > > > > Do retrograde planets behave in the exactly opposite way in a house, > > compared to their effect in normal motion? I mean such as whether a > > retrograde planet debilitated behaves as exalted, or a weak planet > > becomes strong? > > > > Or is it just that the planet follows the same effects as they > > ordinarily would, but in less intensity and in a weak manner? Do > > retrograde planets necessarily behave in evil way even though placed > > in auspicious houses, or can they have good effects to some extents? > > > > I shall be very grateful for your kind help. > > Krishna. > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2001 Report Share Posted November 28, 2001 Sir, I would like to know if Saturn is retrograde and it is in Aries(Mesh) and in the 4th house then what is effect of the retrograde Saturn and which "Neech" in Mesh? Regards, rahul patel GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities./ps/info1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2001 Report Share Posted November 29, 2001 hi krishna, i feel the houses with retro. planets are most active in the chart calling for the prior attention of the astrologer.i know one guy with deb. and retro jupiter in eleventh house who has a midas touch,he is also an excellent surgeon another has retro.mercury in sixth[gemini] and he has this throat problem almost twelve months a year hope this helps - Inder Jit Sahni <isawhney_21 <gjlist> Monday, November 26, 2001 2:20 PM Re: [GJ] Retrograde Planets > > Dear Krishna, > Let us take another example. Suppose Jupiter is in Picses, Saturan in > Aquairius, Ketu in Picses , but more in longitude than Jupiter.Sun in leo > and Venus in libra. Venus less in longitude than Saturan. > In this case Jupiter and Saturan will be retograde.Jupiter backward motion > is a sign of moving away from spritual pursuits of life towards materalisim > (Saturan trine with Venus and Saturan is more in longitude ) this tendency > started in the previous birth , giving success in materalisim , proffesion > and status( Sun in Leo).This success in previous birth averted the mind away > from the Spritualisim (check the position of moon too for this). > > So in this birth this man will achieve the spritual knowledge as well as > chances to rise high in material word. Here it will be free will of the > person involved to bend his way. Though with ascendent and moon you can > judge the strength of tendencies i.e if it is toward Ketu or toward Saturan. > > Regards, > Inder Jit Sahni > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2001 Report Share Posted November 29, 2001 Dear Rahul, It is Good like Exalted. (Low Chesta Bala, High Ista Pala) Best Regards, VR > Dear Rahul, > > See whether it is Neechabhanga or not. > > If not, it is very bad. If Saturn retrogrades, it will confer unncessary > journeys and wanderings like a > potter's wheel ( Kulalasya Chakravath Purusham ). Increase of sorrow. > > ( Papa Vysanadha Pumsam Kurvanthi cha Vridhadanam ) > > G Kumar > Vedic Astrologer > www.zodiaccomputers.com > > > > > > RAHUL PATEL wrote: > > > Sir, > > I would like to know if Saturn is retrograde and > > it is in Aries(Mesh) and in the 4th house then what is > > effect of the retrograde Saturn and which "Neech" in > > Mesh? > > > > Regards, > > > > rahul patel > > > > > > > > GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. > > http://geocities./ps/info1 > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to http://docs./info/terms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 Inder Jit Sahni <isawhney wrote: I read a few messages where you speak of retrograde planets and their > effects. However I did not understand. Would you be so kind as to > explain them to me. Perhaps you can tell me about the effects of > Retro planets in my chart, or in the chart of someone notable? > > My info is: > > July 25th, 1973 Aprox. 3:30 am > Chihuahua, Mexico > 106-05 W > 28-38N > 6:00 west of GMT > > I am not sure if I am Taurus or Gemini Lagna, most probably Gemini. > Dear Alexdro, I prefer to answer such questions on board. I am replying you in part , 1st is time verification. I checked your case at 7.59 AM on 16.10.2004 at my place. The ruling planet signifying ascendent are Venus Rahu and Venus with Moon ketu and Mercury in ascendent. I do apply the ruling planets as others in KP for selecting workable significators , but for time rectification i give weight to planets related to ascenent, ascendent lord and planets strengthning or aspecting ascendent. As mango will give birth to mango, so the present time connected planets with asc will certainily identify birth time ascendent. As mercury is there in ascendent I agree with Mercury as your sign lord. OK so Lagna is Gemini. Rahu is in Mars sign Ketu sub. Mars as your constelation lord is also agreed.Ketu will stay in ascendent . I am not satified with sub lord as the same Mercury again. In stead if i move to the previous sign , as Tauras, then with Saturn sub and Perhaps your time has more error than you expect. What is the source of your birth time? Birth Certificate. According to a technique mentioned in one of the KP lists, Lagna Sub should be the same as Moon star. Do you agree with this? Any way it does not effect Jupiter retograde reading, Your Jupiter is in capricorn with aspect of a friendly planet Sun and reto grade Mercury. In the back house you have Rahu aspected by Saturn . Actualy Rahu degrees are more than Saturn and Venus trine from leo are more than Saturn and less than Rahu. Thus when Jupiter look at back sign it actualy looks at Saturn +Venus + Rahu. It shows a change from the proffesion to a better one. Jupiter next house has Saturn +venus + Ketu effect. Correct me If I'm wrong. Jupiter as 10th house significator of profession indicates a change to a better profession because it is retrograde and gives signification or shall we say aspects 7th house and then later in life it gives signification of 9th house? If it were NOT retrograde then what influence would it have? That of the next house? This al;so shows that even you may be doing good in your present occupation , but you will prefer to change your way of working as Ketu is a planet of liberation where as Rahu is a planet of illusion will attract more to Saturn and Venus. What do you mean by 'attract more to Sat and Venus'? I have changed occupation many times in my life and have been successful at none. I lack persistance. This will happen only after 36th year not before.These are nadi effects. But it clarifies that Jupiter reto gression is good for you. Why 36th year? Sorry for all the questions, but I am learning. What else can I do? : ) Best Regards Alexandro Forward this mail for others on the list. With Best wishes, Inder Jit Sahni, House No.1351-HIG, Model Town Phase-1 Bhatinda-151001 phone 0164-2211360 hanskpvedic vote. - Register online to vote today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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