Harikesh and Extreme Damage

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hare krishna Das Gauravani prabhu

 

please accept my obeisances..all glories to Srila Prabhupada..

 

i never said or implied, that it wasn't a serious matter....i have never

underestimated the damage that it has caused..one of my close friends was his

disciple...but who are any of us, to judge anyone in this regard... forgive

me for saying this but you are wrong to say he had people fooled for

years....he was a genuine Guru...for many many years and was dedicated to

Srila P rabhupada's mission... he fell sick, seriously sick...within his

mind..why and how, i'm not prepared to say anymore than that, as i've stated

previously i don't wish to make offences to him by jumping on a bandwagon..i

firmly believe this is between himself and Krishna, it's a salutory lesson to

all of us that even the most dedicated of Guru's can falldown in this age of

Kali, no-one is immune to it...and before we start pointing the finger at

others...perhaps we need to start with ourselves..look at ourselves, our

actions,....our own behaviour.none of us are so perfect that we can stand in

judgement of others, it's so easy to critisize...none of us know the full

circumstances of his behavioural patterns and their consequences..as i said

before he needs our prayers and our compassion.

..

i found the term kamikazee krishna's strange and somewhat offensive..i'm

quite sure it wasn't meant to be offensive...could you let me know what it

means....as i have been a devotee for a long time and have never encountered

a kamikazee krishna anywhere at any level.

your servant

stavavali devi dasi

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yes, I would like to point out as historical fact, that when studying

the chart of Harikesh (ex) Swami, it's important to note that his fall,

more than any other, affected more small people more strongly than any

other. He was the most fanatical and long lasting, being extremely

dominant, oppressive, heavy, like the "Bin Laden" of ISKCON. So, when he

decided to give all that up, he left ALOT of EXTREMELY damaged people in

his path in Europe. I am very well aware of this as my close friend is

Swiss, and we are still dealing regularly with friends in Zurich and

elsewhere who are HIGHLY damaged by having given their lives like

Kamakazi Krishna's under Harikesh influence, and then when he left and

changed, this put them into headspins that are really serious.

 

So his life and influence on ISKCON Eastern Europe, and thousands of

disciples, was of a very large magnitude. This is true. It is not the

behavior of an "advanced" Vaisnava at all. It is the behavior of someone

who had himself and alot of other people fooled for years and years, and

with disastrous consequences. I GUARANTEE you that is the correct

understanding. It is SERIOUS what he did. VERY SERIOUS. There was a good

deal of INTENSE mental pain, and yes SUICIDES and many millions of

dollars lost from the mission.

 

I was the servant of his counterpart, another of the "Original 11" and I

witnessed and knew them all very closely, and their falldowns, one by

one, and am all too aware of what it means to TRY to be a 'great'

Vaisnava before you really are, and the consequences of the reality

setting in later. I knew them and their lives and struggles personally,

much like say one who is close to the Cardinals in the Vatican. The fall

of Hansadutta ruined my life for years, but I got over it. The way

Vaisnava Guru/Disciple relationship goes in Gaudiya Math is nothing like

TM or SRF or Osho- it's much more serious and committed. These

"falldowns" cause extreme confusion- extreme. Make no mistake there.

It's very serious.

 

 

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[Guest guest]

gjlist, Das Goravani <das@g...> wrote:

>

> The way

> Vaisnava Guru/Disciple relationship goes in Gaudiya Math is nothing like

> TM or SRF or Osho- it's much more serious and committed. These

> "falldowns" cause extreme confusion- extreme. Make no mistake there.

> It's very serious.

>

>

Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!

 

Namaste dear Raghu!!!

 

i loved your posting, Dasji, but must say that i majorly disagree with

your assessment of the SRF groups as not being serious or

committed...in my experience with them, and with their lineage of

Gurus, there is TOTAL COMMITMENT expected AND given to the line of

Gurus....the SRFers although they may appear to just be ordinary

american folks, and even having Christ as one of their Gurus, are a

very powerful force for the Divine on this plane...Paramahansa

Yoganandaji was one of the Great Ones, a veritable Mahatma, said by

his devotees to be a Premavatar....so it would seem appropriate to see

just a little more respect shown towards his organization...and the

folks who are seriously trying live by the teachings of their

Guru...just because they don't put on monk's clothes and shave their

heads, and preach on the streets does NOT mean that they are any LESS

SERIOUS than the members of ISKCON...

 

One of the signs of His (Yoganandaji's) greatness could be found in

the later histories of the organization...unlike ISKCON...the SRF

movement has had NO FALLS....there are NO DISGRACED former

swamis...there are NO court cases around alleged abuse of children and

devotees...

 

as Christ has said "By their works shall ye know them"...and by this

same token if we take the works and the actions of an organization to

be the karmic results of its Gurus, then in actual fact, my dear

brother, the SRF movement is FAR MORE SERIOUS than ISKCON!!! they have

lasted FAR LONGER...and are still going strong, and increasing in

numbers every day...in point of fact my dear friend it seems pretty

obvious to me that SRF has done MUCH more good to the world than

ISKCON..simply because there are NO SCANDALS, NO ABUSE, and NO

FALLS....the teachers trained up by Yoganandaji, and his successors,

are seriously dedicated to their Divine Work, and NEVER have i EVER

HEARD of any suspicions of abuse by ANY of them....so much CANNOT be

said for ISKCON!!!

 

Thus when we are dissing other spiritual organisations, we should

perhaps be a little more sensitive to the possibilities that some of

the members of this list may be devotees of the dissed Gurus....there

are DEFINITELY some TM'ers on the list...possibly there are also some

Osho devotees, many of whom may feel just as strongly about their

Guru, as we do about ours!!!there are definitely some devotees of

Yoganandaji on the list....

 

i am not even a member of SRF any longer...and it is NOT their fault,

but rather my own lack of commitment to their path which caused me to

leave that path for a few years....until i met my Ammachi...my entire

story of which you have read in the most exhaustive and nauseating

details earlier on the list...

 

But i DO have a profound LOVE and RESPECT for Paramahansa Yoganandaji,

and His entire organisation!! They are some of the most seriously

committed spiritual practioners i have seen...they just quietly,

unobtrusively, slip into the woodwork, and so you never even notice

them...as they quietly do their Sadhana for both themselves and for

the entire world...so please dear friend, do not diss such

organisations as SRF...they are at least as serious as any ISKCON

organisation!!

 

thank you for hearing my spirited defense of my first Guru and His

Divine Mission!!

 

my words are not in any way intended to wound anyone's feelings, or to

put any particular organisations down farther than they may have sunk

on their own....but i felt that i simply MUST defend the SRF

organization for being some of the most dedicated, serious, Sadhakas

in the world today...SRF is ONE of the FEW such spiritual missions

which has escaped unscathed from the serious Guru questionings and

betrayals of the last few years...they are actually a beacon of Divine

Light in the darkness of this age!!!! Just as Ammachi, and Her Divine

Mission are a veritable Sun of Light in this darkness!!

 

i realise that you were just "rambling" in your letter, but please be

a little more aware of just who may be lurking on the list...

 

we do not need to put anyone off from contacting any particular

spiritual organisation for guidance...and especially i believe that we

should NOT be directing folks away from such legitimate and highly

motivated organisations as SRF....it simply is not fair to the seekers

in the audience, nor is it fair to the many longtime practioners of

Yoganandaji's sadhanas who are extremely dedicated to their spiritual

practices...

 

In Yoganandaji's Defense,

and in the Divine Mother's Love

and in Her Service too,

this child

bows

again and again

offering

koti koti Pranams

to All

of the Great Ones,

Who have incarnated

upon this plane

for the upliftment of

the lowly,

and the defense of

Dharma.

 

as ever

your own self,

 

visvanathan

 

Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!!

[Guest guest]

hare krishna

no offence but i've never heard of your organisation..can we all calm down a

little here please..no need for abuse of ISKCON in any sense of the word..all

organisations have people attracted to them for the wrong reasons and often

abuse occurs in many forms...not only in ISKCON..what about the catholic

church as one example..your post reminded me of the playground..my dad is

better than your dad mentality...we all have different paths to tread due to

a complexity of karma, and our intelligence ect..my path happens to be ISKCON

yours is different...so what....ISKCON has done and continues to do vital

good works throughout the world on a daily basis...i can't comment on your

organisation as i said i've never heard of you or it.

can we not all celebrate our differences and learn from them instead of this

childishness....after all..we have recently had the usa catasphrophe and the

fallout from that will continue for aome time to come isn't it a prime

example of time to stop this bickering and respect one anothers beliefs and

by implication the organisations we belong to...including ISKCON...

thanks

stavavali

p's the $400 million lawsuit for abuse has just been dropped... hare krishna