Eighth house significations (Prabhupada)

[Guest guest]

Dear Dharmapada,

There seems to be some confusion regarding the significations of the various

bhavas (houses)...8th house in particular.

 

Whilst I agree the 8th is (rightly) classified as an evil house (dusthana), it's

also known as the house of "transformation" and is one of the three "moksha"

houses...the others being the 4th and 12th. This house is also connected with

scandal and it's lord negatively placed in lagna (or lagna lord afflicted in

8th) can show one who is subject to accusations...false or otherwise, according

to the influences on this house.

 

According to the rules of jyotish, this house can signify either great success

or great failure. In your own words the greatest success of Prabhupada's

movement was during Ketu dasa......

 

You Wrote:

>>>Ketu is there, and the strongresults from

the heyday of the Hare Krishna movement are from the Ketu dasha.<<<

 

When you consider the close conjunction of Ketu and 12th lord Jupiter, the

fulfilment of Prabhupada's destiny (during this dasa) is evident.

Jupiter owns 12th house of "foreign lands" and both JU & KE are conjunct 8th

lord Sun (self). So great success/transformation in foreign land could be

predicted during this time.

 

The conjunction of 9th lord Mercury, 12th lord Jupiter, and dasa lord Ketu in

10th Dashamsha is further confirmation of the success of this period.

 

Best Wishes,

Wendy

 

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Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologer

http://welcome.to/Vedic Astrology/

wenvas

 

 

 

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gjlist, "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@d...> wrote:

> Dear Dharmapada,

> There seems to be some confusion regarding the significations of

the various bhavas (houses)...8th house in particular.

>

> Whilst I agree the 8th is (rightly) classified as an evil house

(dusthana), it's also known as the house of "transformation" and is

one of the three "moksha" houses...the others being the 4th and 12th.

This house is also connected with scandal and it's lord negatively

placed in lagna (or lagna lord afflicted in 8th) can show one who is

subject to accusations...false or otherwise, according to the

influences on this house.

 

Wendy,

 

Since the 8th is the house of death, pious influence over it will

tend to give moksha. I'll agree to this signification of the house.

Even if we consider the eight house a house of moksha, moksha can

also be justified from the Sagittarius lagna.

 

> According to the rules of jyotish, this house can signify either

great success or great failure. In your own words the greatest

success of Prabhupada's movement was during Ketu dasa......

>

> You Wrote:

> >>>Ketu is there, and the strongresults from

> the heyday of the Hare Krishna movement are from the Ketu dasha.<<<

>

> When you consider the close conjunction of Ketu and 12th lord

Jupiter, the fulfilment of Prabhupada's destiny (during this dasa) is

evident.

 

Yes, but close proximity to a weak and afflicted planet would not

enable Ketu to leech much from *that* Jupiter. The vipreet raj yoga

really seems to be busted up by the fact that the sun sits in his own

sign. The evil lords have to afflict the evil house for the

vpreet/opposite effects to happen, i.e., to produce good by

destroying the evil of the bad house.

 

> Jupiter owns 12th house of "foreign lands" and both JU & KE are

conjunct 8th lord Sun (self). So great success/transformation in

foreign land could be predicted during this time.

 

Yes, but this type of interpretation can be made from both charts. It

is a matter of picking out an iron-clad event or events that are

possible in one and impossible in the other.

 

>

> The conjunction of 9th lord Mercury, 12th lord Jupiter, and dasa

lord Ketu in 10th Dashamsha is further confirmation of the success of

this period.

 

Yes, but the divisional charts are secondary when the result is

defined in the rashi chakra. Divisional charts are for decisions on

the margin, when there are contradictory indications. The simpler you

keep it, the better your predictions! In the Capricorn chart, the

rashi doesn't seem to at all define the type of success that Shrila

Prabhupada had.

 

 

I hope I don'tsound too opinionated. Unless I am firm, I won't get my

point across. I enjoy this discussion that we are all having.

 

YS,

 

Dharmapada

 

 

>

> Best Wishes,

> Wendy

>

> ==========================

> Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologer

> http://welcome.to/Vedic Astrology/

> wenvas@d...

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Dharmapada,

 

>>>Yes, but close proximity to a weak and afflicted planet would not

enable Ketu to leech much from *that* Jupiter.<<<

 

Please observe that both Jupiter and Ketu are in the nakshatra of Ketu...*this*

JU/KE relationship is strong.

 

Best Wishes,

Wendy

 

==========================

Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologer

http://welcome.to/Vedic Astrology/

wenvas

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Dharmapada

Also note that for Cap Lagna Jupiter and Ketu are the functional and natural

significators for moksha in a mokshaic house .You have the most beautiful

harmony of energies in the Cap lagna chart Dharma Lords in Dharma houses ,

Moksha Lords in Moksha houses and exalted Lagna Lord on the midheaven for

exalted deeds .From Krsna comes knowledge ,memory and forgetfulness why

would he give Srila Prabhupada the wrong birth details ?

Best Wishes'

Nicholas

 

 

 

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"Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas

<gjlist>

Friday, October 12, 2001 1:11 PM

Re: [gjlist] Re: Eighth house significations (Prabhupada)

 

 

> Dear Dharmapada,

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> >>>Yes, but close proximity to a weak and afflicted planet would not

> enable Ketu to leech much from *that* Jupiter.<<<

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> Please observe that both Jupiter and Ketu are in the nakshatra of

Ketu...*this* JU/KE relationship is strong.

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> Best Wishes,

> Wendy

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> Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologer

> http://welcome.to/Vedic Astrology/

> wenvas

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[Guest guest]

Wendy,

 

Yes, but they are in the eighth house.

 

Dharma/Dean

gjlist, "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@d...> wrote:

> Dear Dharmapada,

>

> >>>Yes, but close proximity to a weak and afflicted planet would

not

> enable Ketu to leech much from *that* Jupiter.<<<

>

> Please observe that both Jupiter and Ketu are in the nakshatra of

Ketu...*this* JU/KE relationship is strong.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Wendy

>

[Guest guest]

Nicholas,

 

Moksha can be easily substatiated in theSagittarius chart, too.

 

Again, it is amatter of gettinga few iron-clad events which can be

justified in one chart ( without dancing around ) butnot in the other.

 

Usually, this is always possible.

 

In Brazil, nobody knows their exact birth time. I always have to

choose between lagnas and ask questions. Imagine if I dredged up some

obscure placement from the navamsha in order to make the decision. It

is always a matter of asking questions such as " when did your father

die," or " how many younger brothers do you have, " etc.

 

Dharmapada

 

 

 

gjlist, "Nicholas" <costa@A...> wrote:

> Dear Dharmapada

> Also note that for Cap Lagna Jupiter and Ketu are the functional

and natural

> significators for moksha in a mokshaic house .You have the most

beautiful

> harmony of energies in the Cap lagna chart Dharma Lords in Dharma

houses ,

> Moksha Lords in Moksha houses and exalted Lagna Lord on the

midheaven for

> exalted deeds .From Krsna comes knowledge ,memory and forgetfulness

why

> would he give Srila Prabhupada the wrong birth details ?

> Best Wishes'

> Nicholas

>