Guest guest Posted October 9, 2001 Report Share Posted October 9, 2001 Dear friends Does anybody have details of former Iskcon leader Harikesha Swami, also known as Sri Vishnupada, birth name Robert Campagnola. It will be very interesting to know why is actualy left Iskcon. Thanks Diego Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2001 Report Share Posted October 9, 2001 hare krishna are you an ISKCON devotee?, or a former disciple of the devotee enquired about......if you are i am sure ISKCON Guru's in your area will give you the information you require... to my knowledge he was ill at the time and hadn't taken his medication for some time.. in krishna consiousness your servant stavavali devi dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2001 Report Share Posted October 10, 2001 hare krishna diego please accept my obeisances...all glories to srila prabhupada... i don't know who the guru's for your area are, as you have friends who are former disciples of maharaja then it would be better to address your questions directly to them as they would be in the best position to know his details...ask the temple presidents ect..or the senior vaisnavas, the sadhus ect...someone will know.. as for his 'fall'...things are not always what they seem, he is still a devotee of Lord Krishna, and has his path to tread, maybe it's not for you to judge, perhaps that is why the information has eluded you thus far...i don't know the answer to your question...i only offered what i was told some time back..i'm sorry you feel unable to accept it, i can't offer any more than that otherwise it would be speculation on my part...and i don't wish to make offences by making speculative comments about Guru's..in or out of ISKCON..for myself, i would personally not be looking to see where someone else has 'fallen', but to look to my own sadhana and see ways in which i can improve myself...my service to my Guru Maharaja, and to Srila Prabhupada's mission.... i am very happy to hear that you are a friend of ISKCON..long may you be so, blessings to you stavavali devi dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2001 Report Share Posted October 10, 2001 - Dear Stavali I,m a student of Vedic astrology and ISKCON friend for many, many years. I live in Milano, Italy. I have a lot of friends who are former disciples of Harikesha Swami and nobody have his details. "i am sure ISKCON Guru's in your area will give you the information you require..." Who vould that be at present ? Nobody talk no more about him ! "to my knowledge he was ill at the time and hadn't taken his medication for some time.." What kind of illness he had? I cant accept that explanation like reason for his "fall" If we can get his details everything will be much easy to understand. Thanks Diego -- In gjlist, stavavali108@a... wrote: > hare krishna > are you an ISKCON devotee?, or a former disciple of the devotee enquired > about......if you are i am sure ISKCON Guru's in your area will give you the > information you require... > to my knowledge he was ill at the time and hadn't taken his medication for > some time.. > in krishna consiousness > your servant > stavavali devi dasi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2001 Report Share Posted October 10, 2001 Dear List Members Suppose I had his details would it really serve a good purpose to divulge them ? Nicholas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2001 Report Share Posted October 11, 2001 hare krishna nicholas my personal opinion is no it wouldn't serve any good purpose, for the simple fact is as he is now to all intents and purposes a private individual ie not a public figure whose details are commonly known, such as a president or a pop star, he wasn't of course the founder acarya of ISKCON, ie Prabhupada whose details are well known... ect..and i doubt he would give his permission to have his details put on a list to be analysed and or specualated about in regards to his 'fall'..he would have no avenue of reply..and it's not fair in this instance..if the details were given in the first place anonymously then we would have been none the wiser who it was, and comments could have been put forward in that light. (it's not the same as Das putting the details of four leading Vaisnava saints..they were put on the list for an altogether different purpose and more than welcomed) think of it this way, would any of us want to be discussed in this way, with our full details... identity and birth details..in relation to a 'fall'...without recourse to reply, and in the first place without our knowledge and permission ..whatever he did is between himself and Krishna, i was reminded yesterday of the fact that i went to meeting at the time in regards to his leaving and was told the full facts,so much has passed since then i had forgotten about it to be honest...it is distressing i'm sure to his former disciples and to those who knew him. in any case..for the devotees it has yet another test along their spiritual paths...and for the person concerned, although i would vigorously defend ISKCON in any matter, i would also defend the individuals right to freedom of choice..therefore he made a choice to leave...as we are not a cult....he was free to come and to go as he pleased....it was his right to choose, why then does it need to be analaysed in this list??? it hasn't got anything to do with anyone except himself and Krishna unless he chooses to make it our business i'm afraid the basic fact is, it isn't our business. apart from that, he is still an advanced soul, and i don't feel i want to see or hear anything that could potentially be offensive to him or other advanced indivduals of any faith.. my two cents worth your servant stavavali d.d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2001 Report Share Posted October 11, 2001 Dear Nicholas Of course it would serve a good purpouse; better undrstanding lot of controversis about him. So, please if you have details "divulge" them. Thanks Diego --- Nicholas <costa wrote: > Dear List Members > Suppose I had his details would it really serve a > good purpose to divulge > them ? > > Nicholas > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Make a great connection at Personals. http://personals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2001 Report Share Posted October 11, 2001 >I cant accept that explanation like reason for his "fall" >If we can get his details everything will be much easy to >understand. Harikesha data is below. He left ISKCON in his Me/Su period. Obviously. All the best, Denis1008 ------------- Date of Birth: October 23, 1948 Time of Birth: 1:30:00 pm Time Zone of Birth: 5:00 West of GMT Longitude of Birth: 74 W 00 Latitude of Birth: 40 N 43 Lunar month (maasa): Aswayuja Lunar day (tithi): Krishna Shashthi Tithi balance: 0.4093 Nakshatra balance: 0.4340 Sun-Moon Yoga: Siva Sun-Moon Karana: Vanija Vara (weekday): Saturday Ascdt 13 Cp 06 Sravanam 1 - Sun 7 Li 07 Swathi 1 GK Moon 14 Ge 12 Aardra 3 MK Mars 11 Sc 33 Anuradha 3 PiK Mercury ® 29 Vi 08 Chitra 2 AK Jupiter 2 Sg 32 Moola 1 DK Venus 26 Le 47 U.Pha. 1 AmK Saturn 10 Le 30 Makha 4 PK Rahu 11 Ar 58 Aswini 4 BK Ketu 11 Li 58 Swathi 2 - BhavaLg 25 Cp 13 Dhanishtha 1 - HoraLg 13 Ta 37 Rohini 2 - GhatiLg 8 Ar 49 Aswini 3 - Dhooma 20 Aq 27 Poo.Bhaa. 1 - Vyati 9 Ta 32 Krittika 4 - Pari 9 Sc 32 Anuradha 2 - I.Chapa 20 Le 27 Poo.Pha. 3 - Upaketu 7 Vi 07 U.Pha. 4 - Kaala 7 Sc 43 Anuradha 2 - Mrityu 12 Sg 20 Moola 4 - ArthaPr 3 Cp 44 U.Shaa. 3 - YamaGha 0 Aq 46 Dhanishtha 3 - Mandi 13 Li 55 Swathi 3 - Gulika 6 Li 00 Chitra 4 - +----------------------+ | | | | | | | GL | | | | | | HL | Moo | | | Rah | | | | | | | | |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-------------| R A S I |-------------| | | | | | Asc | | Sat | | | | | | BL | | Ven | | | | | |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| | | | | | | | | Glk Sun | | | Jup | Mar | | MerR | | | | Ket Mnd | | | | | | | +----------------------+ +----------------------+ | | | | | | | Jup | | | | | | HL | GL | | | Asc | | | | | | | | |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| | | | | | Moo | | Rah | | | | | | Mnd | | Sat | | | | | |-------------| N A V A M S A |-------------| | | | | | | | | | Ket | | BL | | | | | | | | | |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| | | | | | | Ven | | | | | | Glk | Mar | MerR | | Sun | | | | | | | | | +----------------------+ Vimsottari Dasa: Rahu 1948-10-23 Ketu 1949-02-13 Venu 1950-03-04 Sun 1953-03-04 Moon 1954-01-26 Mars 1955-07-28 Jupi 1956-08-15 Satu 1958-10-03 Merc 1961-04-15 Ketu 1963-07-22 Venu 1964-06-27 Sun 1967-02-26 Moon 1967-12-15 Mars 1969-04-15 Rahu 1970-03-22 Satu 1972-08-15 Merc 1975-08-18 Ketu 1978-04-27 Venu 1979-06-06 Sun 1982-08-06 Moon 1983-07-19 Mars 1985-02-16 Rahu 1986-03-28 Jupi 1989-02-01 Merc 1991-08-15 Ketu 1994-01-11 Venu 1995-01-08 Sun 1997-11-08 Moon 1998-09-14 Mars 2000-02-14 Rahu 2001-02-10 Jupi 2003-08-30 Satu 2005-12-05 Ketu 2008-08-14 Venu 2009-01-10 Sun 2010-03-13 Moon 2010-07-18 Mars 2011-02-16 Rahu 2011-07-16 Jupi 2012-08-02 Satu 2013-07-09 Merc 2014-08-18 Venu 2015-08-15 Sun 2018-12-14 Moon 2019-12-15 Mars 2021-08-14 Rahu 2022-10-15 Jupi 2025-10-14 Satu 2028-06-14 Merc 2031-08-15 Ketu 2034-06-15 Sun 2035-08-15 Moon 2035-12-02 Mars 2036-06-02 Rahu 2036-10-08 Jupi 2037-09-02 Satu 2038-06-21 Merc 2039-06-03 Ketu 2040-04-08 Venu 2040-08-14 Moon 2041-08-14 Mars 2042-06-15 Rahu 2043-01-14 Jupi 2044-07-15 Satu 2045-11-14 Merc 2047-06-15 Ketu 2048-11-13 Venu 2049-06-14 Sun 2051-02-13 Mars 2051-08-15 Rahu 2052-01-11 Jupi 2053-01-28 Satu 2054-01-04 Merc 2055-02-13 Ketu 2056-02-10 Venu 2056-07-08 Sun 2057-09-08 Moon 2058-01-13 +----------------------+ | | | | | | | | Moo | | | MerR | | | | | | | Ven | | | | | | | |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| | | | | | | | Sat | | | | | | | | Mar | | | | | |-------------| D - 2 0 |-------------| | | | Glk | | | | | | Mnd | | Sun | | | | | | | | BL | |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| | | | | GL | | | Rah | | | | Asc | | | HL | | | Ket | | | | | | | Jup | +----------------------+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2001 Report Share Posted October 11, 2001 hare krishna diego please accept my obeisances all glories to Srila P rabhupada.. who are you to judge others so harshly........he must have been an advanced soul for want of a better phrase to have made it to the elevated position of Guru...he was/is a very knowledgeable man..advanced in his vaisnava knowledge ect..i am told he was very sick, i won't disclose as to what that sickness was, or is, and that due to a prolonged period of not taking the medication prescribed, he acted way out of character....yes i know what he did....yes i know that many in ISKCON are and were distressed at the time, but doesn't a sick man deserve some compassion???? when we see someone hurting others in this way, it's a chance for us to develop our compassion...for both sides, for those who are hurt and for those who have caused the hurt.....Guru's have left before now, and when this happens...there are other Guru's who will become Diksa Guru for the devotee.. one of my Godbrothers had another Guru who left ISKCON some years back, and later on my Godbrother came to my Guru Maharaja and took Diksa..these things happen... you contradicted yourself in your posts.. in one, you said 'no-one is talking about it any more, so who can you ask about it... ...forgive me for paraphrasing but i haven't got the e mail to hand right now...in another you said ..yes lets have the birth data and stop all the controversies...again i'm paraphrasing... so which is to be...if no-one is talking to you about it..where is all the controversies.....??? in matters of controversy...one senior vaisnava from the manor told me once that in your spiritual life you can always chase controversy if that is what you want to do, when the current controversy comes to an end, there will always be another one to follow it, and another and another.pretty soon you lose sight of your sadhana, you lose sight of your spiritual goals.. because your mind is taken up with chasing controversy after controversy..... i've offered my thoughts on the subject, my opinion may be of the minority, but that is what democracies are all about...we are allowed to have and express our opinions even where we don't happen to agree with one another..hopefully through our differences we can all learn something valuable...i would like to know as yuo stated that some devotees comitted suicide..who, where, when..how many??? please give your evidence for that statement....as to your question is that the behaviour of a swami..no, it was the behaviour of a very sick man as i've said previously...he needs our prayers.. wishing you well blessings in krishna consciousness in the service of sri guru and sri gauranga.. stavavali devi dasi.... p.s my name is spelt stavavali not stavali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2001 Report Share Posted October 11, 2001 hare krishna das Gauravani prabhu obeisances thankyou for your last post...i appriciate what you said. we all make mistakes and hopefully we learn from them.. i must just say that i haven't at any time ignored the 'ugly'..in fact i'm very vociferous against such things as child abuse and abuse generally ect i'm known for not allowing any abuses to be swept under the carpet....so it's not that.for me i don't see that any of us can judge what he did, because it was so serious....it must ultimately be between himself and Krishna..anything we say or do as an afterthought in looking at his chart isn't going to change what he did....it might stir up more ill feeling and hurt amongst the ISKCON devotees..i just wonder why it wasn't picked up beforehand astrologically speaking....it seems strange to me that astrologers around him before this happened..had not pointed this out especially before he became diksa....as one example i know a very elevated vaisnava who was set to go on and take sannyasa..but an astrologer warned him..no, because of certain factors in his chart, if you take sanyassa you will have a falldown...for obvious reasons i won't give any details to identify the person in question....after speaking with so many Guru's ect...he became married after a long association with one very nice lady.....so, it's there in the chart.. yes it's true so much can be learned with hindsight and looking at events from an historical perspective, done in that way..with respect to the person in question then yes....but if it's simply going to be a platform to vent anger through speculation ect then what is the point of that... (i'm not suggesting you were doing that) personally speaking i don't feel i am elevated enough to make any value judgements on his actions...especially when i can make so many improvements in my own sadhana...my time is better spent on improving my chanting, my Deity worship ect....and my art(i paint Krishna Lila) a quote from Sri Caitanya daya ' a well intentioned person, even while engaged externally in religious duties, may begin to contemplate forbidden acts. this is the early stage of temptation..''by contemplating the objects of the senses, a person develops attraction for them'' BG 2.62.. until we are liberated, Maya will continue to send us illicit suggestions.. ....temptation is not to be feared.we can learn from temptation, if only to understand how devastating (like a tornado)it's affects can become when acted upon.the main lesson is :we cannot save ourselves, we must rely on Krishna's Mercy. ''This divine energy of mine, consisting of the three modes of material nature, is difficult to overcome. but for those who have surrendered unto to Me, can easily cross beyond it''.BG7.14 It goes on to say..although Lord Caitanya was the fearless Supreme Personality of Godhead, He walked throughout south india as a humble sannyasi chanting..Krishna, please protect me, Krishna please maintain me.. he further says in this book..real evolution is when we make spiritual progress..Krishna says that even a little devotional service is not lost and can help us at the time of death....referring to a falldown he says...it not only creates misery during this lifetime.loss of prestige, loss of self esteem but unless we check it, it leads to a harder falldown at death.we can be forced to take a lower body 'thus perplexed by various anxieties and bound by a network of illusions,they become too strongly attached to sense enjoyment and fall down into hell BG16.16 Those who are envious and mischevious, who are the lowest among men, i perpetually cast into the ocean of material existence, into various demoniac species of life..BG 16.19 my point is..the person in question needs help and loving kindness..no, we don't forget what has happened...it can't be forgotten, so easily..but in some future lifetime it can be forgiven perhaps... Krishna alone knows the full extent of what has happened, why it has happened and what will happen to him in the future, in this lifetime and in future lifetimes..he was/is Krishna's devotee..so again i assert it's between him and Krishna... all glories to your service Das Gauravani prabhu your servant stavavali d.d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2001 Report Share Posted October 11, 2001 hare krishna nicholas obeisances yes i agree it is nicer if we drop this subject.. your servant stavavali d.d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2001 Report Share Posted October 11, 2001 Dear Stavali I dont know what makes you think that he was "advanced soul". What is that mean anyway ? We are all on the path of spiritual progress, even some so-called swamis. Only thing I know is that he left ISKCON with millions of Dollars in his pocket and settle on French Riviera. Also left about 5000 disciples wich some of them even commit suicide. Is that behaviour of Swami Is that what makes him "advanced" ? Thanks Diego --- stavavali108 wrote: > hare krishna nicholas > > my personal opinion is no it wouldn't serve any good > purpose, for the simple > fact is as he is now to all intents and purposes a > private individual ie not > a public figure whose details are commonly known, > such as a president or a > pop star, he wasn't of course the founder acarya of > ISKCON, ie Prabhupada > whose details are well known... ect..and i doubt he > would give his permission > to have his details put on a list to be analysed and > or specualated about in > regards to his 'fall'..he would have no avenue of > reply..and it's not fair in > this instance..if the details were given in the > first place anonymously then > we would have been none the wiser who it was, and > comments could have been > put forward in that light. > (it's not the same as Das putting the details of > four leading Vaisnava > saints..they were put on the list for an altogether > different purpose and > more than welcomed) > > think of it this way, would any of us want to be > discussed in this way, with > our full details... identity and birth details..in > relation to a > 'fall'...without recourse to reply, and in the first > place without our > knowledge and permission ..whatever he did is > between himself and Krishna, i > was reminded yesterday of the fact that i went to > meeting at the time in > regards to his leaving and was told the full > facts,so much has passed since > then i had forgotten about it to be honest...it is > distressing i'm sure to > his former disciples and to those who knew him. > > in any case..for the devotees it has yet another > test along their spiritual > paths...and for the person concerned, although i > would vigorously defend > ISKCON in any matter, i would also defend the > individuals right to freedom of > choice..therefore he made a choice to leave...as we > are not a cult....he was > free to come and to go as he pleased....it was his > right to choose, why then > does it need to be analaysed in this list??? it > hasn't got anything to do > with anyone except himself and Krishna unless he > chooses to make it our > business i'm afraid the basic fact is, it isn't our > business. apart from > that, he is still an advanced soul, and i don't feel > i want to see or hear > anything that could potentially be offensive to him > or other advanced > indivduals of any faith.. > my two cents worth > your servant > stavavali d.d > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Make a great connection at Personals. http://personals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2001 Report Share Posted October 11, 2001 As one who has suffered serious emotional/mental turmoils, true, we must be compassionate. Very true. The other side is true too. Life is hard at times. Yes, Harikesh is a great soul, definitely. To have tried, to have served, yes, definitely, he is not an evil being or some such. But do not diminish the damage either. The reason we have to see both, is to not repeat mistakes. Stavavali, you are right, and Diego and I are right as well. Life is complex. Peace to them all, Hansadutta, Jayatirtha, Harikesh, Bhaktipad, Ramesvar, Bhavananda, and the others....BUT, let us not overlook the horrors they personally were at the healm of causing. Let neither side be forgotton, lest it happen again and again. Life is just that way. Nobody should take the worship of being fully pure, unless they are. We have made this mistake now in a big way, and the Mothership movement has paid a huge price. Now we have to be honest, and make a different way for the Vaisnava community in the West in the future. No more BS Gurus and the subsequent falldowns, and no more child abuse. Don't ignore the ugly, but don't punish the unfortunate souls, which we all are. It's a subtle balance of mood. I am still friends with Hansadutta, but that doesn't mean that the things he did long ago are whitewashed and OK, but he's also a victim, being appointed to something he wasn't nearly capable of handling at such a young age. Like the line from "The Crow" which I will always agree with as it is true, one side of truth, and it causes compassion: "Victims aren't we all" And from "Sting" "How fragile we are!" -- Das Goravani 2852 Willamette St # 353 Eugene OR USA 97405 or Fax: 541-343-0344 "Goravani Jyotish" Vedic/Hindu Astrology Software Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2001 Report Share Posted October 11, 2001 Dear Stavavali Thanks for this .This is actually how I felt however someone else has now posted the details publicly .I was open to good reason but none had forthcome . I think it would b nicer to drop this subject . Kind regards Nicholas - <stavavali108 <gjlist> Thursday, October 11, 2001 8:42 PM Re: [gjlist] Re: ISKCON FORMER LEADER > hare krishna nicholas > > my personal opinion is no it wouldn't serve any good purpose, for the simple > fact is as he is now to all intents and purposes a private individual ie not > a public figure whose details are commonly known, such as a president or a > pop star, he wasn't of course the founder acarya of ISKCON, ie Prabhupada > whose details are well known... ect..and i doubt he would give his permission > to have his details put on a list to be analysed and or specualated about in > regards to his 'fall'..he would have no avenue of reply..and it's not fair in > this instance..if the details were given in the first place anonymously then > we would have been none the wiser who it was, and comments could have been > put forward in that light. > (it's not the same as Das putting the details of four leading Vaisnava > saints..they were put on the list for an altogether different purpose and > more than welcomed) > > think of it this way, would any of us want to be discussed in this way, with > our full details... identity and birth details..in relation to a > 'fall'...without recourse to reply, and in the first place without our > knowledge and permission ..whatever he did is between himself and Krishna, i > was reminded yesterday of the fact that i went to meeting at the time in > regards to his leaving and was told the full facts,so much has passed since > then i had forgotten about it to be honest...it is distressing i'm sure to > his former disciples and to those who knew him. > > in any case..for the devotees it has yet another test along their spiritual > paths...and for the person concerned, although i would vigorously defend > ISKCON in any matter, i would also defend the individuals right to freedom of > choice..therefore he made a choice to leave...as we are not a cult....he was > free to come and to go as he pleased....it was his right to choose, why then > does it need to be analaysed in this list??? it hasn't got anything to do > with anyone except himself and Krishna unless he chooses to make it our > business i'm afraid the basic fact is, it isn't our business. apart from > that, he is still an advanced soul, and i don't feel i want to see or hear > anything that could potentially be offensive to him or other advanced > indivduals of any faith.. > my two cents worth > your servant > stavavali d.d > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2001 Report Share Posted October 11, 2001 Dear Stavavali It comes to my mind the following reminiscence of Sudama Prabhu recorded in Part Five of the Memories of Srila Prabhupada video series: "Prabhupada told me: ´If somebody thinks that he is spiritually advanced and plays a role, then he becomes mad.´" The real illness of Harikesa is that he has gone against the order of Srila Prabhupada. I agree. I will stop this conversation. At the end, just to remind you: "Unfortunately in this Age of Kali there are many mundane persons in the dress of Vaisnavas, and Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura has described them as disciples of Kali. He says, kali-cela. He indicates that there is another Vaisnava, a pseudo-Vaisnava with tilaka on his nose and kanthi beads around his neck. Such a pseudo-Vaisnava associates with money and women and is jealous of successful Vaisnavas. Although passing for a Vaisnava, his only business is earning money in the dress of a Vaisnava. Bhaktivinoda Thakura therefore says that such a pseudo-Vaisnava is not a Vaisnava at all but a disciple of Kali-yuga. A disciple of Kali cannot become an acarya by the decision of some high court. Mundane votes have no jurisdiction to elect a Vaisnava acarya. A Vaisnava acarya is self-effulgent, and there is no need for any court judgment." (CC Madhya, 1.22) Thanks, Diego --- stavavali108 wrote: > hare krishna diego > please accept my obeisances all glories to Srila P > rabhupada.. > who are you to judge others so harshly........he > must have been an advanced > soul for want of a better phrase to have made it to > the elevated position of > Guru...he was/is a very knowledgeable man..advanced > in his vaisnava knowledge > ect..i am told he was very sick, i won't disclose as > to what that sickness > was, or is, and that due to a prolonged period of > not taking the medication > prescribed, he acted way out of character....yes i > know what he did....yes i > know that many in ISKCON are and were distressed at > the time, but doesn't a > sick man deserve some compassion???? when we see > someone hurting others in > this way, it's a chance for us to develop our > compassion...for both sides, > for those who are hurt and for those who have caused > the hurt.....Guru's have > left before now, and when this happens...there are > other Guru's who will > become Diksa Guru for the devotee.. > one of my Godbrothers had another Guru who left > ISKCON some years back, and > later on my Godbrother came to my Guru Maharaja and > took Diksa..these things > happen... > you contradicted yourself in your posts.. > in one, you said 'no-one is talking about it any > more, so who can you ask > about it... ...forgive me for paraphrasing but i > haven't got the e mail to > hand right now...in another you said ..yes lets have > the birth data and stop > all the controversies...again i'm paraphrasing... so > which is to be...if > no-one is talking to you about it..where is all the > controversies.....??? > in matters of controversy...one senior vaisnava from > the manor told me once > that in your spiritual life you can always chase > controversy if that is what > you want to do, when the current controversy comes > to an end, there will > always be another one to follow it, and another and > another.pretty soon you > lose sight of your sadhana, you lose sight of your > spiritual goals.. because > your mind is taken up with chasing controversy after > controversy..... i've > offered my thoughts on the subject, my opinion may > be of the minority, but > that is what democracies are all about...we are > allowed to have and express > our opinions even where we don't happen to agree > with one another..hopefully > through our differences we can all learn something > valuable...i would like to > know as yuo stated that some devotees comitted > suicide..who, where, when..how > many??? please give your evidence for that > statement....as to your question > is that the behaviour of a swami..no, it was the > behaviour of a very sick man > as i've said previously...he needs our prayers.. > wishing you well > blessings in krishna consciousness > in the service of sri guru and sri gauranga.. > stavavali devi dasi.... > > p.s my name is spelt stavavali not stavali > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Make a great connection at Personals. http://personals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2001 Report Share Posted October 11, 2001 hare krishna obeisances at least you have acknowledged he was/is ill.... stavavali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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