Guest guest Posted October 8, 2001 Report Share Posted October 8, 2001 Hello, At 12:04 PM 10/8/01 +0000, you wrote: >Thanks for posting this. I d to the SAMVA site and read the >article. Really amazing! Makes me want to know more about the >symstems approach. I already have the professors books, but I did not >study them closely. With the samva group I hope to understand more. For those who do not know what the System's Approach is, let me give my observations: It is basically a remote derivation of Vedic astrology, created by . I say "derivation", because the systems is essentially Choudhry's, and not actual Jyotish. Why? I will give but one example: Some basic tenets involve the identification of "Most Malefic Planet" (MMP), for example, which presumably are found in any chart in which the Moolatrikona sign for some planet, falls in the 6th, 8th, and 12th houses. Now, that would mean that for Taurus lagna, Venus is malefic (lord of 1 and 6, Libra); for Scorpio lagna, Mars is malefic (lord of 1 and 6, Aries); or for Libra lagna, Mercury is malefic (lord of 9 and 12, Virgo); or, for Cancer lagna, Jupiter is malefic, lord of 9, and 6, Sg). These ideas deviate from very basic Parasari principles, which state that the lords of the lagna are always benefic (in spite of dual rulership of a malefic house), and so also for lords of 5 and 9. There are other parts of the theory that bother me, yet I will let all of that go. The main point I am making is: (1) SA has merits, in that it will work if applied verbatim; although (2) it should not be called "Vedic astrology", but rather "Choudhry Astrology", "Systems Astrology Approach", etc. I personally have a problem with the various other dilutions of true Jyotish, and there are several including KP, SA, mixing western techniques, etc. Just my opinion, take it for what its worth. Best wishes, Robert ===================================== Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer 760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. Bend, OR. 97701-9037 Phone: 541-318-0248 visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail rk. rk and rkoch rkoch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2001 Report Share Posted October 8, 2001 Robert Wrote: >>>I personally have a problem with the various other dilutions of true Jyotish, and there are several including KP, SA, mixing western techniques, etc. Just my opinion, take it for what its worth.<<< ______ Quite refreshing to find an area in which we have total agreement........ Best Wishes, Wendy ========================== Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologer http://welcome.to/Vedic Astrology/ wenvas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2001 Report Share Posted October 9, 2001 Dear Robert, In SA the predictions are made with strength, placement and functional nature of planets and others which will give us excellent results. You are welcome for any enquiry in SA. With Best Wishes Narinder Juneja www.MyWebAstrologer.com - Robert A. Koch <rkoch <gjlist> Monday, October 08, 2001 11:12 PM [gjlist] Choudhry Astrology (SA) > Hello, > > At 12:04 PM 10/8/01 +0000, you wrote: > >Thanks for posting this. I d to the SAMVA site and read the > >article. Really amazing! Makes me want to know more about the > >symstems approach. I already have the professors books, but I did not > >study them closely. With the samva group I hope to understand more. > > For those who do not know what the System's Approach is, let me give my > observations: It is basically a remote derivation of Vedic astrology, > created by . I say "derivation", because the systems is > essentially Choudhry's, and not actual Jyotish. Why? I will give but one > example: Some basic tenets involve the identification of "Most Malefic > Planet" (MMP), for example, which presumably are found in any chart in > which the Moolatrikona sign for some planet, falls in the 6th, 8th, and > 12th houses. Now, that would mean that for Taurus lagna, Venus is malefic > (lord of 1 and 6, Libra); for Scorpio lagna, Mars is malefic (lord of 1 and > 6, Aries); or for Libra lagna, Mercury is malefic (lord of 9 and 12, > Virgo); or, for Cancer lagna, Jupiter is malefic, lord of 9, and 6, > Sg). These ideas deviate from very basic Parasari principles, which state > that the lords of the lagna are always benefic (in spite of dual rulership > of a malefic house), and so also for lords of 5 and 9. > > There are other parts of the theory that bother me, yet I will let all of > that go. The main point I am making is: (1) SA has merits, in that it > will work if applied verbatim; although (2) it should not be called "Vedic > astrology", but rather "Choudhry Astrology", "Systems Astrology Approach", > etc. I personally have a problem with the various other dilutions of > true Jyotish, and there are several including KP, SA, mixing western > techniques, etc. Just my opinion, take it for what its worth. > > Best wishes, > Robert > > ===================================== > Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer > 760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. > Bend, OR. 97701-9037 > Phone: 541-318-0248 > visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail > rk. rk and > rkoch rkoch > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2001 Report Share Posted October 9, 2001 Dear Robert, Thank you for sharing your opinion about SA. It can appeal to some novice astrologers, left without information what jyotish really is all about and what's not. SA has to borrow heavily, outside it's simply(fied) framework..to make it work, mildly speaking, IMHO. I know Robert how difficult it is for you to make judgments about others' work, but it is so valuable, and I truly appreciate you did that- instead of ignoring and letting "everything goes" attitude exists without comment. However, I wouldn't put SA in the same basket as using Jyotish and some western astr. concepts. I know you didn't like the case that I wrote you about: Progressed Mc is about to change sign (which always means significant change; at the same time progressed Venus makes trine with Natal Saturn- to give us additional info on a type of change expected). Now: jyotish registers change od period at the same time... we can predict time and change fairly accurately. I know you would say: I can do that without "mixing" jyotish with western, and I know you CAN. One less experienced, like myself, does benefit from both, and both ARE well established and proven systems. It's not like mixing "new invention" (for the sake of novelty, I would say) of jyotish, with true jyotish (where the rules are overwhelmed by exceptions, as is the case with lousy "systems". Know the rules first, than search for exemptions, fine tuning, etc.., I'd say). Thank you for your post Robert: written with honesty and integrity, yet sensibly respectful, as always- enviable qualities so many of us, I am sure about that, appreciate so much. With sincere respect, Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2001 Report Share Posted October 9, 2001 >However, I wouldn't put SA in the same basket as using Jyotish and some >western astr. concepts. I know you didn't like the case that I wrote you >about: Progressed Mc is about to change sign (which always means >significant change; at the same time progressed Venus makes trine with >Natal Saturn- to give us additional info on a type of change expected). >Now: jyotish registers change od period at the same time... we can predict >time and change fairly accurately. I know you would say: I can do that >without "mixing" jyotish with western, and I know you CAN. One less >experienced, like myself, does benefit from both, and both ARE well >established and proven systems. >It's not like mixing "new invention" (for the sake of novelty, I would say) >of jyotish, with true jyotish (where the rules are overwhelmed by >exceptions, as is the case with lousy "systems". Know the rules first, than >search for exemptions, fine tuning, etc.., I'd say). > Yes, unfortunately this is happening all around. Just for sake of being novel and sounding novel and new. Something different. Manoj _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2001 Report Share Posted October 9, 2001 My objection Robert to SA is simply that how can there be no malefic for a particular Lagna, simply because its Moola Trikona Sign does not fall in the 6th, 8th or 12th house. Manoj --- Narinder Juneja <pbk wrote: > > Dear Robert, > > In SA the predictions are made with strength, > placement and functional > nature of planets and others which will give us > excellent results. > > You are welcome for any enquiry in SA. > > With Best Wishes > > Narinder Juneja > > www.MyWebAstrologer.com > > - > Robert A. Koch <rkoch > <gjlist> > Monday, October 08, 2001 11:12 PM > [gjlist] Choudhry Astrology (SA) > > > > Hello, > > > > At 12:04 PM 10/8/01 +0000, you wrote: > > >Thanks for posting this. I d to the > SAMVA site and read the > > >article. Really amazing! Makes me want to know > more about the > > >symstems approach. I already have the professors > books, but I did not > > >study them closely. With the samva group I hope > to understand more. > > > > For those who do not know what the System's > Approach is, let me give my > > observations: It is basically a remote derivation > of Vedic astrology, > > created by . I say > "derivation", because the systems > is > > essentially Choudhry's, and not actual Jyotish. > Why? I will give but one > > example: Some basic tenets involve the > identification of "Most Malefic > > Planet" (MMP), for example, which presumably are > found in any chart in > > which the Moolatrikona sign for some planet, falls > in the 6th, 8th, and > > 12th houses. Now, that would mean that for > Taurus lagna, Venus is > malefic > > (lord of 1 and 6, Libra); for Scorpio lagna, Mars > is malefic (lord of 1 > and > > 6, Aries); or for Libra lagna, Mercury is malefic > (lord of 9 and 12, > > Virgo); or, for Cancer lagna, Jupiter is malefic, > lord of 9, and 6, > > Sg). These ideas deviate from very basic Parasari > principles, which state > > that the lords of the lagna are always benefic (in > spite of dual rulership > > of a malefic house), and so also for lords of 5 > and 9. > > > > There are other parts of the theory that bother > me, yet I will let all of > > that go. The main point I am making is: (1) SA > has merits, in that it > > will work if applied verbatim; although (2) it > should not be called "Vedic > > astrology", but rather "Choudhry Astrology", > "Systems Astrology Approach", > > etc. I personally have a problem with the > various other dilutions of > > true Jyotish, and there are several including KP, > SA, mixing western > > techniques, etc. Just my opinion, take it for > what its worth. > > > > Best wishes, > > Robert > > > > ===================================== > > Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer > > 760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. > > Bend, OR. 97701-9037 > > Phone: 541-318-0248 > > visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail > > rk. rk and > > rkoch rkoch > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Make a great connection at Personals. http://personals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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