Guest guest Posted October 6, 2001 Report Share Posted October 6, 2001 Namaste Robert, thanks a lot for Gates dob. I took a note of the books advised. I am running out of batteries for now. Best wishes Natabara Das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2002 Report Share Posted April 6, 2002 Dear All I have not used these charts in the past, have any of you? Have you found them to be accurate? What did you see for 2001 or 2000? Thanks in advance the continual student cynthia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2002 Report Share Posted April 7, 2002 Cynthia, I think the New Year/Pisces New Moon chart is often helpful. The 2001 chart for Washington holds some idea of what was to come for the USA, although one would be hard pressed to see the "war on terror" per se. I've found that one has to cast both the geocentric and parallax charts for the new year. In both of the 2001 charts, Libra rises and Venus is exalted in the 6th retrograde. Overall, not bad at all. But its dispositor Jupiter is in the 8th with Saturn and that starts to tip the scales. We should also remember that Jupiter is the dispositor of the Sun and Moon also and will always be, as the New Moon falls in Pisces. Jupiter's placement will therefore always be worth looking at carefully. And I wonder how significant Saturn being within one degree of the equal 8th house cusp in the geocentric chart. I also place a large importance on the fact that the nodes are exactly square Venus. Rahu is also closely trining 9L/12L Mercury and this might explain overseas adventures and loss generally. I would add that both Mercury and Rahu are in Rahu stars hence adding to the overall Rahu effect of suddenness. The parallax chart is more blunt because Uranus is exactly conjunct the IC. This strongly foreshadows a surprise or shock to the land and the people during the ensuing year. One might also assess the position of the New Moon itself, at 10Pi45. This is in Saturn star and since Saturn is in the 8th, we might say that this may have had a hand in the bad fortune of the year. It is conjunct Jupiter so that might give some protection but Mars and Pluto aspect Saturn as well so that is likely yet another clue. And finally, the fact the the new Moon occurs in the 6th house can't be favourable either. Out of curiosity, I took a look at the New Moon for 1968 for the USA, a chart I thought ought to be afflicted as well given the deepening of the Vietnam War and the assassinations at home. It's a tough chart for sure. While the New Moon is in the 7th house, it is conjunct Saturn and Rahu. New Moon occurs in Saturn star and Saturn is conjunct Rahu. Moreover, dispositor of the new moon Jupiter is in the 12th and it is exactly squared by Neptune. This might suggest not only loss and sorrows associated with the 12th house, but Neptune's involvement introduces the notion of sickness. The USA in 1968 was definitely a society in the throes of a major malaise. Also, Mars is exactly placed on the equal 8th house cusp. Shades of Saturn on the 8th in the 2001 chart. This may or may not be an endorsement of the the equal house system, as planets may also cast 6 sign/150* aspects to the Asc. Either way you slice it, it's a clear malefic influence. So, yes, have a look at the 2002 New Year chart. It's not that good either. I like looking at these charts because they offer a capsule of information that is easily digestible. No need for a lot of comparison with natal charts etc. Chris At 04:51 PM 4/6/02 -0600, cynthia novak wrote: >Dear All > >I have not used these charts in the past, have any of you? > >Have you found them to be accurate? > >What did you see for 2001 or 2000? > >Thanks in advance the continual student > >cynthia > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2002 Report Share Posted April 7, 2002 > Cynthia, > > I think the New Year/Pisces New Moon chart is often helpful. The 2001 > chart for Washington holds some idea of what was to come for the USA, > although one would be hard pressed to see the "war on terror" per se. > This is why I have a hard time assuming the worst from the 2002 chart. Perhaps it is enough to say the the conbination of planets in the spring is dire but does that mean that it will remain so for a whole year based upon the one chart? As a western astrologer I watched others and I myself fell into the trap of assuming the whole year from January 1, or a whole quarter from the solstice and equinox charts, I just did not find the results very accurate. I wish it were that simple. I have found that watching the planets and the movements and emotions of people are very accurate. It seems too that there is something to be said for Mars and SAturn, and even for phases. Notice when Venus (as now) is righ behind Mars. It is difficult for male female relationships and all sorts of negotiations are strained. Simple, no chart but boy can you take it too the bank, just like you can count on a market downturn whenever Mars and Saturn link up in conjunction square or opposition. Afterward there is rebuilding. That Mars Saturn transits with Mars station Last year and I believe 2000 (?) were brutal. > I've found that one has to cast both the geocentric and parallax charts for > the new year. parallax is one I haven't tried, how is it calculated? In both of the 2001 charts, Libra rises and Venus is exalted > in the 6th retrograde. Overall, not bad at all. But its dispositor > Jupiter is in the 8th with Saturn and that starts to tip the scales. We > should also remember that Jupiter is the dispositor of the Sun and Moon > also and will always be, as the New Moon falls in Pisces. Jupiter's > placement will therefore always be worth looking at carefully. And I wonder > how significant Saturn being within one degree of the equal 8th house cusp > in the geocentric chart. I also place a large importance on the fact that > the nodes are exactly square Venus. Nodal squares are intense hits no doubt. I think this is something that east and west astrology could share, it intensitifies the nature of the planet for good or ill. Mostly the nodal square brings out the shadow side, in my opinion. Rahu is also closely trining 9L/12L > Mercury and this might explain overseas adventures and loss generally. I > would add that both Mercury and Rahu are in Rahu stars hence adding to the > overall Rahu effect of suddenness. > I use the trinal aspects of the nodes as well and get good results with client charts. Have not tried this sort of chart in ages. > The parallax chart is more blunt because Uranus is exactly conjunct the IC. > This strongly foreshadows a surprise or shock to the land and the people > during the ensuing year. > > One might also assess the position of the New Moon itself, at 10Pi45. This > is in Saturn star and since Saturn is in the 8th, we might say that this > may have had a hand in the bad fortune of the year. It is conjunct Jupiter > so that might give some protection but Mars and Pluto aspect Saturn as well > so that is likely yet another clue. And finally, the fact the the new Moon > occurs in the 6th house can't be favourable either. > > Out of curiosity, I took a look at the New Moon for 1968 for the USA, a > chart I thought ought to be afflicted as well given the deepening of the > Vietnam War and the assassinations at home. It's a tough chart for sure. > While the New Moon is in the 7th house, it is conjunct Saturn and Rahu. New > Moon occurs in Saturn star and Saturn is conjunct Rahu. Moreover, > dispositor of the new moon Jupiter is in the 12th and it is exactly squared > by Neptune. This might suggest not only loss and sorrows associated with > the 12th house, but Neptune's involvement introduces the notion of > sickness. The USA in 1968 was definitely a society in the throes of a > major malaise. > That is interesting! Neptune for folks who do not use her is a mysterious planet and energy, she can be a visionary or can bring deception and delusion. Notice that the assasinations are still under investigation and they were the beginning of the conspiracy theories that run hot to this day. Who really killed JFK? Notice that while Pluto is squaring that Pluto Uranus placement in the mid to late 60's that there is info coming out about Jesse Jackson and his use of his affilitation with MLK to rise to success. I believe that folks born in the later 60's and are having the SAturn Pluto opp. triggering that Uranus Pluto conjunction will suddenly appear on center stage to help assimilate change. I don't see anyone in the Bush cabinet in that age group, but who knows who will replace him. Lots of dirt is rising to the surface for examination. The Pisces New Moon chart is indeed dire, and only time will tell. I fell that the greatest threat during the April May time period is mob or vigilantisim. when I see all those planets together in Mrigashira I am concerned that folks will blindly follow a tribe. That happens when an economy fails and while our US economy is still strong compared to others, it is indeed a time of financial struggel and so political upheaval. I wrote about the spring on my website. I ask all to respond not from emotion but for a sense of truth and a desire to put the heavens back in balance, I do not pretend to know what that means precisely, but I do sense that it is possible if we all believe that it is, and we rise about the base chakra notion of blood and violence. If Bush is assasinated, the American people may become an angry mob or at least be easily maliable. That would be horrible for the world and likely there would be bills pushed through the system that calmer minds would not push. I hope for all of these reasons that the charts are horrible but that something unexpected rises out of them. You are doing some good work, and I am not unbiased because of these feelings. c > Also, Mars is exactly placed on the equal 8th house cusp. Shades of Saturn > on the 8th in the 2001 chart. This may or may not be an endorsement of the > the equal house system, as planets may also cast 6 sign/150* aspects to the > Asc. Either way you slice it, it's a clear malefic influence. > > So, yes, have a look at the 2002 New Year chart. It's not that good either. > I like looking at these charts because they offer a capsule of information > that is easily digestible. No need for a lot of comparison with natal > charts etc. > > Chris > > > At 04:51 PM 4/6/02 -0600, cynthia novak wrote: > >Dear All > > > >I have not used these charts in the past, have any of you? > > > >Have you found them to be accurate? > > > >What did you see for 2001 or 2000? > > > >Thanks in advance the continual student > > > >cynthia > > > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > >: gjlist- > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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