Mars op Jupiter

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Dear Ravindramani

 

Namaste, thank you very much for your valious information and DOB.

 

<<Five astrologers assured longevity and the survival of the child.>>

 

Astrology is a science of tendencies, only higher authorities know the time of

our departure. Also, if the astrologer knows, the recipient may not be ready to

know. That is the dilema.

 

I have seen readings from very advanced astrologers giving the outcome and the

cause based on actions done in previous lives.

 

In fact we all are here because of actions performed in previous lives. The

horoscope indicates the tendencies in this life based on previous ones.

 

Even those rare liberated persons come here because they have chosen to do so on

behalf of those searching for liberation.

 

The job given is easy because you have already given the clues, it is more

difficult to predict.

 

Anyway, you will find the rules in the excellent book written by Raman and

assisted by her daughter Gayatri Devi Vasudeva, How To Judge a Horoscope, vol 2.

 

Look at page 112 for "Determining the Period of Death".

 

You have give a good reading but missed some clues.

 

First, lagna lord Venus is in 3rd house under papakartari yoga (jammed by Rahu

and the Sun) and aspected by Saturn which is badhaka (obstructor) lord for

Taurus rising. Jupiter is there but is the 8th lord.

 

The Moon karaka for mind and mother is also in 3rd under similar yogas.

 

The quoted book gives primary, secundary, and tertiary determinants of death.

 

Primary determinants.

 

<<The Dasha period running at the time of birth Mer/Ketu/Rahu>>

 

a) The 2nd and 7th lords cause death.

 

Mercury is dasa lord and lord of 2nd.

 

b) The occupants, particularly malefics, of the 2nd and 7th.

 

Rahu involved in papakartari, is a malefic and is in the 2nd. And Rahu as

inter-period lord is in the 2nd.

 

c) The planets , especially malefics, associating with the 2nd and 7th lords.

 

Ketu bukti lord is malefic and is associated with Mars the 7th lord.

 

Tertiary:

a) Saturn in conjunction, aspect or association with any of the primary or

secundary determinants of death.

 

Here, Saturn is in lagna and is aspecting lagna lord and the moon.

 

b) The lord of the 6th or the 8th house

 

Venus lord of lagna is also lord of 6th.

 

In my experience Ketu very close to Mars can give a very strong inmune system

and/or healing abilities. In this case Ketu is very close to Mars.

 

Some astrologers say that the karma of a baby from birth upto the age of 4 is

related to the mother's karma.

 

It is my opinion that this baby suffered and gave his/her life willingly to

minimize the karma of the mother.

 

Best wishes

Natabara Das

 

 

 

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Hi Pursottam

 

Thanks for replying to my mail. I had a couple of clarifications

 

 

| Based on your description it sounds as if the planets are in different

| places because of the different time zones. So, for example, the planetary

| positions for now in London time (00:51), would not be the same as the

| positions for Delhi at 00:51, simply because in Delhi it was 00:51 4.5 hours

| ago, and so the planets would have moved since then.

 

I agree with what you are saying. But wouldn't there still be a difference

in planetary positions depending on the location? For example let's say

that I cast a chart for London for noon GMT on a particular day and also a

chart for New Delhi for 5:30pm IST for the same day (Since IST is 5:30

ahead of GMT, both times refer to the same instant). Wouldn't the

planetary positions be different, even if only slightly? I was referring

to this difference and how it affects predictions based on

conjunctions/oppositions, etc. For example, the current Mars-Jupiter

opposition might be exact at a particular time in London but the peak

might occur at a different time (taking into account the time zones) at

New Delhi, although I wouldn't expect the difference to be very large

(might be if faster moving planets are involved). How will this difference

affect the predictions? Theoretically the opposition might even happen in

the adjacent signs if the planets are close to the beginning/end of a

sign.

 

 

| In natal astrology, how you calculate transits shouldn't make a big

| difference. This issue becomes far more important when using Varshaphala, or

| western progressions. In the former, I'd recommend sticking to the place of

| birth, and in the latter, to the new relocated place.

 

I am not exactly clear on how Varshaphala is used, so my question here

might have already been answered by you. But let me try to clarify my

question further.

 

My doubt basically came about after looking at a web-site based on western

astrology. There they give "transits" which keep changing on a daily

basis. (eg. Moon sq. Saturn, Merc opp Jupiter). What I think they are

referring to is the *current* position of the Moon being in a square w.r.t

Natal position of Saturn and similarly current position of Mercury being

in opposition to the natal position of Jupiter.

 

Does Vedic astrology even consider these "transits" to have any influence?

Note that these "transits" can also include aspects to houses in the natal

chart (eg. current position of Jupiter might aspect the 5th house of the

natal chart).

 

If we do consider these influences, should I use the birth location or the

current location to cast a chart for the current time?

 

I hope I've clarified my question. If not I'll try to give some concrete

examples.

 

Thanks once again!

 

Vinod

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BRAVO!

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Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Vinod and Purushottam!

 

There can be difference in planetary positions based on different place at

the same time, if the topocentric (view from surface of earth) longitude is

used. If it is geocentric (as seen from the center of the earth), there

won't be any differences.

 

Regards

Sarajit

 

-

"Vinod Srinivasan" <vinod

<gjlist>

Saturday, October 06, 2001 1:17 AM

RE: [gjlist] Mars op Jupiter

 

 

>

> Hi Pursottam

>

> Thanks for replying to my mail. I had a couple of clarifications

>

>

> | Based on your description it sounds as if the planets are in different

> | places because of the different time zones. So, for example, the

planetary

> | positions for now in London time (00:51), would not be the same as the

> | positions for Delhi at 00:51, simply because in Delhi it was 00:51 4.5

hours

> | ago, and so the planets would have moved since then.

>

> I agree with what you are saying. But wouldn't there still be a difference

> in planetary positions depending on the location? For example let's say

> that I cast a chart for London for noon GMT on a particular day and also a

> chart for New Delhi for 5:30pm IST for the same day (Since IST is 5:30

> ahead of GMT, both times refer to the same instant). Wouldn't the

> planetary positions be different, even if only slightly? I was referring

> to this difference and how it affects predictions based on

> conjunctions/oppositions, etc. For example, the current Mars-Jupiter

> opposition might be exact at a particular time in London but the peak

> might occur at a different time (taking into account the time zones) at

> New Delhi, although I wouldn't expect the difference to be very large

> (might be if faster moving planets are involved). How will this difference

> affect the predictions? Theoretically the opposition might even happen in

> the adjacent signs if the planets are close to the beginning/end of a

> sign.

>

>

> | In natal astrology, how you calculate transits shouldn't make a big

> | difference. This issue becomes far more important when using

Varshaphala, or

> | western progressions. In the former, I'd recommend sticking to the place

of

> | birth, and in the latter, to the new relocated place.

>

> I am not exactly clear on how Varshaphala is used, so my question here

> might have already been answered by you. But let me try to clarify my

> question further.

>

> My doubt basically came about after looking at a web-site based on western

> astrology. There they give "transits" which keep changing on a daily

> basis. (eg. Moon sq. Saturn, Merc opp Jupiter). What I think they are

> referring to is the *current* position of the Moon being in a square w.r.t

> Natal position of Saturn and similarly current position of Mercury being

> in opposition to the natal position of Jupiter.

>

> Does Vedic astrology even consider these "transits" to have any influence?

> Note that these "transits" can also include aspects to houses in the natal

> chart (eg. current position of Jupiter might aspect the 5th house of the

> natal chart).

>

> If we do consider these influences, should I use the birth location or the

> current location to cast a chart for the current time?

>

> I hope I've clarified my question. If not I'll try to give some concrete

> examples.

>

> Thanks once again!

>

> Vinod

>

>

>

> gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Sarajit,

 

Going by what you say, how much would be the

difference in longitudes, worked both ways,

Topocentric and Geocentric. We need to find that.

 

Manoj

 

--- Sarajit Poddar <sarajitp wrote:

> Hare Rama Krishna

> Dear Vinod and Purushottam!

>

> There can be difference in planetary positions based

> on different place at

> the same time, if the topocentric (view from surface

> of earth) longitude is

> used. If it is geocentric (as seen from the center

> of the earth), there

> won't be any differences.

>

> Regards

> Sarajit

>

> -

> "Vinod Srinivasan" <vinod

> <gjlist>

> Saturday, October 06, 2001 1:17 AM

> RE: [gjlist] Mars op Jupiter

>

>

> >

> > Hi Pursottam

> >

> > Thanks for replying to my mail. I had a couple of

> clarifications

> >

> >

> > | Based on your description it sounds as if the

> planets are in different

> > | places because of the different time zones. So,

> for example, the

> planetary

> > | positions for now in London time (00:51), would

> not be the same as the

> > | positions for Delhi at 00:51, simply because in

> Delhi it was 00:51 4.5

> hours

> > | ago, and so the planets would have moved since

> then.

> >

> > I agree with what you are saying. But wouldn't

> there still be a difference

> > in planetary positions depending on the location?

> For example let's say

> > that I cast a chart for London for noon GMT on a

> particular day and also a

> > chart for New Delhi for 5:30pm IST for the same

> day (Since IST is 5:30

> > ahead of GMT, both times refer to the same

> instant). Wouldn't the

> > planetary positions be different, even if only

> slightly? I was referring

> > to this difference and how it affects predictions

> based on

> > conjunctions/oppositions, etc. For example, the

> current Mars-Jupiter

> > opposition might be exact at a particular time in

> London but the peak

> > might occur at a different time (taking into

> account the time zones) at

> > New Delhi, although I wouldn't expect the

> difference to be very large

> > (might be if faster moving planets are involved).

> How will this difference

> > affect the predictions? Theoretically the

> opposition might even happen in

> > the adjacent signs if the planets are close to the

> beginning/end of a

> > sign.

> >

> >

> > | In natal astrology, how you calculate transits

> shouldn't make a big

> > | difference. This issue becomes far more

> important when using

> Varshaphala, or

> > | western progressions. In the former, I'd

> recommend sticking to the place

> of

> > | birth, and in the latter, to the new relocated

> place.

> >

> > I am not exactly clear on how Varshaphala is used,

> so my question here

> > might have already been answered by you. But let

> me try to clarify my

> > question further.

> >

> > My doubt basically came about after looking at a

> web-site based on western

> > astrology. There they give "transits" which keep

> changing on a daily

> > basis. (eg. Moon sq. Saturn, Merc opp Jupiter).

> What I think they are

> > referring to is the *current* position of the Moon

> being in a square w.r.t

> > Natal position of Saturn and similarly current

> position of Mercury being

> > in opposition to the natal position of Jupiter.

> >

> > Does Vedic astrology even consider these

> "transits" to have any influence?

> > Note that these "transits" can also include

> aspects to houses in the natal

> > chart (eg. current position of Jupiter might

> aspect the 5th house of the

> > natal chart).

> >

> > If we do consider these influences, should I use

> the birth location or the

> > current location to cast a chart for the current

> time?

> >

> > I hope I've clarified my question. If not I'll try

> to give some concrete

> > examples.

> >

> > Thanks once again!

> >

> > Vinod

> >

> >

> >

> > gjlist-

> >

> >

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

>

> >

> >

>

>

>

> gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Om Gurave Namah--------------------------Dear Ravindra,

It is difficult for astrologers to tell that the child will die..very difficult

and the law also is very bad in this regard as a person can be jailed for such

a forecast in India. It has happened recently relating to earthquake forecast.

Look at the childs chart and work out the Ayus:

Method-1

Lagna Lord + 8th Lord = Chara + Dwisbhava = Alpa Ayus

Moon + Saturn = Chara + Sthira = Madhya Ayus

Lagna + Hora Lagna = Sthira + dwisbhava = Alpa Ayus

---

Net Longevity: Alpa ayus is given by the method of 3 pairs.

Method-2

Lagna Lord - Venus is in Papa Kartari yoga

Tenth Lord saturn is in Marana Karaka Sthana in Lagna, and

Eighth Lord Jupiter is in Guru-Chandala yoga

--

Yogas for longevity are missing.

Now come to Shoola dasa. the first shools dasa is of the Lagna itself with

saturn in Marana karaka Sthana aspected by the Rudra Yoga combination of Venus

and Moon. Normally, Rudra yoga (caused by Moon Plus Venus or Mars) is difficult

to cross unless there is a strong Jupiter in the chart.

Another vital information is te fine Graha Malika Yoga from lagna to the fifth

house with the fifth lord in exaltation. SOME SAINTS COME FOR SUCH SHORT

DURATION TO FINISH THE LITTLE PORTION OF THEIR PRARABDHA KARMA... God alone

knows why he sends someone for such a painful nine month trip to this planet.

Madhusudana Stotra

"Garbhavasam mahadukkhatTrahi Mam Madhusudana"

The stay in the womb is such a great sorrow, please have mercy O Madhusudana..Best WishesSanjay Rath

- ravindramani

gjlist

Wednesday, October 03, 2001 9:25 AM

Re: [gjlist] Mars op Jupiter

--- natabara <natabara (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote:> Every planet is both good and bad

depending in how you see things.> > I have read somewhere in this list that

exalted planets do not> produce harm. Well, in my experience and research,

even an exalted> planet can produce bad results.> > Best wishes> NatabaraMr.

Natabara and friends,See this chart of a baby who born on 14-9-2001 and died on

26-9-2001within 12 days of its birth.DOB 14-9-2001TOB 9.37 PMPOB Delhi, India,

Long 77E12 Lati 28N36 Zone 5:30Lahiri Ayanamsa 23:53Rasi ChartASC 2:04 TaSu

28:02 LeMo 18:53 CnMa 09:13 SgMe 24:08 ViJu 18:09 GeVe 28:20 CnSa 20:58 TaRa

09:06 GeKe 09:06 SgThe child had a small hole in the heart. Never breast fed

by hermother in the 12 days. Child was in intensive care unit. The Dasha

period running at the time of birth Mer/Ketu/RahuMercury exalted 5th Lord and

the Maha Dasha Lord, Lagna Lord Venusexalted in Navamsa, Jupiter improved its

position in navamsa occupyingits own navamsa. The exalted Dasha of a planet

given the death. Whatworst result can be given by an exalted Dasha Lord than

this?8th Lord Jupiter aspecting its own house in Rasi Chart did not

providelongevity. See the Mars opposition who is 7th and 12 lord of thechart.

Five astrologers assured longevity and the survival of the child.regardsCS

RavindramaniDo You

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