Guest guest Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 Dear Ron, Thanks for your views - you've made some good points regarding the possibility of Parallax (Topocentric) Moon calculations for the New Year USA chart yielding greater accuracy based on the nature of naksatras, etc. Specifically, you wrote: >It is interesting to note that the nakshatra Vishaka >rises in the topocentric moon chart. Vishaka is the >conqueror ,fixated on defeating rivals(DeFouw). It is >a much more aggressive nakshatra than Chitra. Also the >third drekkana of Libra is an ayudha(weapons) >drekkana. > >I have often noticed that the rising nakshatra seems >more relevant using topocentric moon for eclipses and >new moons. The lunar new year chart for Washington >4 April 2000 topocentric,has first degree of Leo >rising . This is in the nakshatra Magha. The symbol >for Magha is the Royal seat or throne and is >associated with ambition ,leadership and power.This >was the election year. Ashlesha rises in the >geocentric chart. I would agree that the descriptions of naksatras are more appropriate so far as the greater themes of what happened during these years. These are good points so far as the nature of those naksatras are concerned. Now, using the Geocentric Moon positions for the 2001 USA chart (as given before), you will note that the dasa periods resulting from those positions, yield exact correspondences to the events on 9/11. This is true, using the dasas calculated from the Moon's naksatra positions, as well as from the rising naksatra positions. Note the dasas as follows: Condensed Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon: 2001 New Moon chart): Ven MD: 2001-08-09 (08:36:41) - 2001-10-12 (07:36:43) Antardasas in this MD: Ven: 2001-08-09 (08:36:41) - 2001-08-20 (00:26:41) Sun: 2001-08-20 (00:26:41) - 2001-08-23 (05:11:42) Moo: 2001-08-23 (05:11:42) - 2001-08-28 (13:06:42) Mar: 2001-08-28 (13:06:42) - 2001-09-01 (06:39:12) Rah: 2001-09-01 (06:39:12) - 2001-09-10 (20:54:12) Jup: 2001-09-10 (20:54:12) - 2001-09-19 (09:34:12) Sat: 2001-09-19 (09:34:12) - 2001-09-29 (12:36:42) Mer: 2001-09-29 (12:36:42) - 2001-10-08 (14:04:13) Ket: 2001-10-08 (14:04:13) - 2001-10-12 (07:36:43) Condensed Vimsottari Dasa (started from lagna): Sat MD: 2001-08-02 (23:06:41) - 2001-10-02 (17:21:42) Antardasas in this MD: Sat: 2001-08-02 (23:06:41) - 2001-08-12 (14:00:04) Mer: 2001-08-12 (14:00:04) - 2001-08-21 (04:35:11) Ket: 2001-08-21 (04:35:11) - 2001-08-24 (17:39:04) Ven: 2001-08-24 (17:39:04) - 2001-09-03 (20:41:34) Sun: 2001-09-03 (20:41:34) - 2001-09-06 (21:36:19) Moo: 2001-09-06 (21:36:19) - 2001-09-11 (23:07:34) Mar: 2001-09-11 (23:07:34) - 2001-09-15 (12:11:27) Rah: 2001-09-15 (12:11:27) - 2001-09-24 (14:55:42) Jup: 2001-09-24 (14:55:42) - 2001-10-02 (17:21:42) From this, you can see that Venus/Jupiter was in operation at the time of the attacks, using the Moon's naksatra as seed for the dasa calculations. Lagna lord Venus in the 6th, in parivartana with 6th lord Jupiter in the 8th, aspected by maraka lord Mars, is poignant, and I discussed it at length previously. Now look at the Vim. dasa calculated from the lagna naksatra, Chitra. This gives Saturn as the ruler of the dasa (4th lord in 8th in Mrtyu-bhaga), and the sub-period lord being Mars (Maraka lord powerful in the second, and aspecting Jupiter/Saturn). If you look at the chart again, there could not have been a more likely dasa for the dangerous potentials in the chart to come about. So whereas the Topocentric Moon works well for you for eclipses and the New Moon itself, the dasas calculated from lunar and lagna naksatra positions, seem to be much more poignant using Geocentric positions. Just an observation. What do you think? Robert Best wishes, Robert ===================================== Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer 760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. Bend, OR. 97701-9037 Phone: 541-318-0248 visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail rk. rk and rkoch rkoch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2001 Report Share Posted October 5, 2001 >So whereas the Topocentric Moon works well for you for eclipses and the New Moon itself, the dasas calculated from lunar and lagna naksatra positions, seem to be much more poignant using Geocentric positions. Just an observation. What do you think?< Hello Robert, 1. It is my understanding so far that dasas work best using geocentric moon for natal and new moon charts. The charts where dasas work from topocentric moon only, seem to be in the minority --- but they do exist. Then the 360/365.25 day year complicates things. The topocentric new moon chart seems to work better with directions and progressions and the geocentric for dasas. One of those paradoxical things. 2. Which program do you use for dasa compression ?Which year length? 3. One point to note is that the time interval between the Pisces new moons is not always equal. So it may not be 365.25 or 360 days. The next new moon in Pisces will be 12 Apr 2002. Should the dasas be proportioned over the total time interval? A question to ponder. Regards Ron NEW from GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities./ps/info1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2001 Report Share Posted October 5, 2001 Catching up after a long time as our server was down with NIMDA. I think the debate is on Mundane astrology. can someone update me on that Manoj >Ron Day <ronday_au >gjlist >gjlist >Re: [gjlist] Topocentric/Geocentric Moon: Ron Day >Fri, 5 Oct 2001 02:06:25 -0700 (PDT) > > >So whereas the Topocentric Moon works well for you >for eclipses and the New Moon itself, the dasas >calculated from lunar and lagna naksatra positions, >seem to be much more poignant using Geocentric >positions. Just an observation. What do you think?< > >Hello Robert, > >1. It is my understanding so far that dasas work best >using geocentric moon for natal and new moon charts. > The charts where dasas work from topocentric moon >only, seem to be in the minority --- but they do >exist. Then the 360/365.25 day year complicates >things. >The topocentric new moon chart seems to work better >with directions and progressions and the geocentric >for dasas. One of those paradoxical things. > >2. Which program do you use for dasa compression >?Which year length? > >3. One point to note is that the time interval between >the Pisces new moons is not always equal. So it may >not be 365.25 or 360 days. The next new moon in >Pisces will be 12 Apr 2002. Should the dasas be >proportioned over the total time interval? A question >to ponder. > >Regards >Ron > > > > > >NEW from GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just >$8.95/month. >http://geocities./ps/info1 > > >gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2001 Report Share Posted October 6, 2001 Hello Ron, At 02:06 AM 10/5/01 -0700, you wrote: >Hello Robert, > >1. It is my understanding so far that dasas work best >using geocentric moon for natal and new moon charts. > The charts where dasas work from topocentric moon >only, seem to be in the minority --- but they do >exist. Then the 360/365.25 day year complicates >things. >The topocentric new moon chart seems to work better >with directions and progressions and the geocentric >for dasas. One of those paradoxical things. These are interesting distinctions. I do not work with progressions like Secondary or Tertiary, so I could not comment, agree/disagree on how they work with the Topocentric positions. Indeed, the dasas work very well using the Geocentric. Given time to research all these variables, perhaps one day we shall understand the clear differences. >2. Which program do you use for dasa compression >?Which year length? For dasa compression, I use a program that has not been released yet for commercial use. In that program, however, the exact year length from New Moon to New Moon is taken into account. The dasas I have copied to this list, are from that program. >3. One point to note is that the time interval between >the Pisces new moons is not always equal. So it may >not be 365.25 or 360 days. The next new moon in >Pisces will be 12 Apr 2002. Should the dasas be >proportioned over the total time interval? A question >to ponder. Absolutely. For Varshaphal, or yearly charts, it is easier, as you have an exact solar year to work with. The differences from lunation to lunation, one year to the next, do need to be accounted for. So instead of making the proportions 120 to 1, for Vimsottari compression, you could take 365.2524 x 120, and proportion that to however many exact days there are between this year's Pisces New Moon, and that of next year. Most astrologers (myself included!) would probably do this only once, and then wait for computer programs to become available which would have a dasa compression feature. Sometime in the next day or so, I want to post some analysis of the 2002 Pisces new moon chart, and when I do, I will post the compressed dasas for that as well. Best wishes, Robert ===================================== Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer 760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. Bend, OR. 97701-9037 Phone: 541-318-0248 visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail rk. rk and rkoch rkoch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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