Guest guest Posted September 24, 2001 Report Share Posted September 24, 2001 Robert: >In light of the terrorist attacks, and probable U.S. military response, it >is useful to look at the president's Dasamsa chart. Before doing that, >here are some relevant factors related to his rasi chart as well: > >1. Saturn is doubly dangerous, as it is not only the lord of the 8th, but >is also Rudra, as well as Maheswara. > >Saturn rules the 8th, and is also the ruler of the Shasta pada, or Arudha >of the 6th house. Its debilitation in the 10th in the sign of Aries, >aspected by exalted Mars, sets up a Neecha bhanga Raja yoga showing that he >is flanked by generals and military personnel who are very powerful, and >savvy in the subtleties of warfare, and that the retaliation for the >terrorist attacks will be strategic, well-planned, and very difficult for >his enemies to surmount *in the long run*. I just wanted to comment in light of my previous post about exact varga positions. Looking at the transits to the 9-11 event, I had wondered if a better fit might be had if one used a 7.25 am birth time for Bush. I've taken a look at this time using his election victory on Dec 13 2000 and found good evidence for it. Using 7.25 am D-10 Asc is 18Cn59. D-10 tr. Saturn was exactly opposite at 18Cp29 and D-10 tr. Rahu (mean) wa at 18Cp44. Besides giving support to the revised TOB, this also raises the question about the role of Saturn in Bush's chart. Clearly, Saturn in D-10 conferred status and honour to Bush, as he won the presidency under it's transit influence. This is not to say that Saturn isn't dangerous by virtue of some other qualities it might possess. It may well have the potential to grant both fame and create obstacles. My question is why would one look to the dashamsha chart to see the timing and nature of Bush's counterattack? The WTC attack should have been in the ashtamsha D-8 chart representing difficulties and setbacks. One could also make a case for looking at the D-10 chart for the attack, but that strikes me a bit strange. I'm just trying to get a sense of your thinking here. Why not, for example, use the navamsha chart in its all purpose sense to elaborate on patterns in the natal chart? Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2001 Report Share Posted September 24, 2001 Dear Chris, Good questions, which I will answer following my quote of what you wrote: At 01:19 PM 9/24/01 -0400, you wrote: >This is not to say that Saturn isn't dangerous by virtue of some other >qualities it might possess. It may well have the potential to grant both >fame and create obstacles. My question is why would one look to the >dashamsha chart to see the timing and nature of Bush's counterattack? The >WTC attack should have been in the ashtamsha D-8 chart representing >difficulties and setbacks. One could also make a case for looking at the >D-10 chart for the attack, but that strikes me a bit strange. I'm just >trying to get a sense of your thinking here. Why not, for example, use the >navamsha chart in its all purpose sense to elaborate on patterns in the >natal chart? You're right that the attack itself, or at least the enormity of the danger confronting the nation while Bush is in office, is seen in Bush's Ashtamsa. That is why I previously wrote about his Ashtamsa first, to illustrate these points. Now, regarding the Dasamsa: I pointed out in that connection, that the destiny confronting the president of the country (while he is in office) will gravitate around the planet which is strongest. Clearly, Mars is the strongest planet in Bush's Rashi, Navamsa, Dasamsa, and Ashtamsa as well. A well-known astrologer, in his recent book release, correctly predicted Bush's presidency, but was also incorrect in saying that Bush would bring less war to the country than his predecessor, Clinton (reasoning that Clinton had Mars on his ascendant, whereas Bush had Venus and several other benign planets on his ascendant). Error in judgment thus occurs if the Dasamsa is not consulted. The Dasamsa indicates which areas of government may lead to the president's success or failure while in office. If the Dasamsa were consulted, it could easily be seen that Yoga-karaka Mars is not only exalted (as lord of 5th and 10th), but also involved in Neechabhanga Raja-yoga with Jupiter and Saturn. Have you noticed that Bush's approval rating has risen out of the ashes, and now is about 90% in the poles? Only a few weeks before the attacks, he was on the verge of political ruin as a president, especially in light of bad public relations with foreign governments, lack of diplomacy over environmental issues domestically, as well as recession here in the US, in addition to a smattering of other embarrassing issues. Now that a war has been declared, he has rallied the support of Democrats and Republicans alike, not to speak of the whole country. You see this clearly in the Dasamsa. In the Ashtamsa, Moon/Jupiter in the 8th, aspected by Saturn/Mars (from the sign of Aries), and Rahu/Ketu, from the lagna, indicate in no uncertain terms, that war befalls the nation if this person becomes president. Note the ominous indications of the D-8 Narayana dasa: Aq/Sg/Ar, being the major, sub, and sub-sub periods, especially with Aries et al, being the Shasta pada, all aspecting the lagna lord in the 8th. Regarding the Navamsa: The same indications are shown there: Given that five planets occupy the Chandra lagna, we can better examine the Navamsa chart from that vantage point. From Leo (which is also the 10th house from lagna), Mars is again the Yoga-karaka, forging the most successful direction of public policy, as a strong war-time leader: Mars joining Rahu shows conflict with a foreign, al beit covert adversary; Jupiter in Leo is powerful as lord of the 5th from the Moon, showing a seasoned and wise cabinet of advisors to work with; Saturn as lord of the 7th, shows support from the masses; and 1st lord Sun being exalted in the 9th (Aries) indicates leadership and command of the Armed forces during such times of crisis. Clearly you will see Bush's greater strengths emerge in times of military crisis and retaliation. Summing up: Navamsa indicates the strengths in the matter of conducting domestic and foreign relations while the president is in office; the Dasamsa indicates which particular areas of office or government, may give strength or weakness to his administration, as well as bid for a second term of office in 2004. Best wishes, Robert ===================================== Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer 760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. Bend, OR. 97701-9037 Phone: 541-318-0248 visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail rk. rk and rkoch rkoch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2001 Report Share Posted September 25, 2001 The US attack on the terrorists will come before Mars leaves Sag. The same planetary configuration which brought misery to the US will now do the same for her enemies. If you don't mind me adding my 2 cents. Max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2001 Report Share Posted September 25, 2001 Robert: Thanks for your reply. My main interest was pretty narrow: why would one look to the dashamsha chart for the timing of a possible US counter attack and how might this be done? I'm still not sure why you would look to the D-10 chart for this, but I take note of your ideas here. I guess the best way to see if the dashamsha is indeed the right varga for seeing any counterattack is to time the counterattack from it. Any idea how this would be done? My thinking would be looking for transit activation of either D-10 Asc or Mc as well as significant Mars contacts with 3L and 6L. This was the reason I thought the impending D-9 Saturn station close squaring a point very close to the D-9 MC and Mars 8H aspect to natal Mercury might indicate something along those lines. It's also worth noting that the Saturn station at 21Ta10 is also very very close to an exact 3H aspect to the D-10 Asc 20Cn57. I can't comment on the narayan dasha periods because I don't use them and don't know how to calculate them. I agree that Mars is super strong for Bush but note that its conjunction with Jupiter is Capricorn in D-10 is less than 2*. Very powerful indeed. Moreover, this D-10 Mars is exactly angular: D-10 Mars 12Cp52 aspecting Bush's natal Asc 13Cn53. This is an unbelievably strong for Mars in career dashamsha D-10. He's a de facto General! For my money, these are more specifically powerful indicators than Mars as YK with NBRY. Chris Any notion how to time the counterattackAt 12:03 PM 9/24/01 -0700, you wrote: >Dear Chris, > >Good questions, which I will answer following my quote of what you wrote: > >At 01:19 PM 9/24/01 -0400, you wrote: > >>This is not to say that Saturn isn't dangerous by virtue of some other >>qualities it might possess. It may well have the potential to grant both >>fame and create obstacles. My question is why would one look to the >>dashamsha chart to see the timing and nature of Bush's counterattack? The >>WTC attack should have been in the ashtamsha D-8 chart representing >>difficulties and setbacks. One could also make a case for looking at the >>D-10 chart for the attack, but that strikes me a bit strange. I'm just >>trying to get a sense of your thinking here. Why not, for example, use the >>navamsha chart in its all purpose sense to elaborate on patterns in the >>natal chart? > >You're right that the attack itself, or at least the enormity of the danger >confronting the nation while Bush is in office, is seen in Bush's >Ashtamsa. That is why I previously wrote about his Ashtamsa first, to >illustrate these points. > >Now, regarding the Dasamsa: I pointed out in that connection, that the >destiny confronting the president of the country (while he is in office) >will gravitate around the planet which is strongest. Clearly, Mars is the >strongest planet in Bush's Rashi, Navamsa, Dasamsa, and Ashtamsa as >well. A well-known astrologer, in his recent book release, correctly >predicted Bush's presidency, but was also incorrect in saying that Bush >would bring less war to the country than his predecessor, Clinton >(reasoning that Clinton had Mars on his ascendant, whereas Bush had Venus >and several other benign planets on his ascendant). Error in judgment thus >occurs if the Dasamsa is not consulted. The Dasamsa indicates which areas >of government may lead to the president's success or failure while in >office. If the Dasamsa were consulted, it could easily be seen that >Yoga-karaka Mars is not only exalted (as lord of 5th and 10th), but also >involved in Neechabhanga Raja-yoga with Jupiter and Saturn. Have you >noticed that Bush's approval rating has risen out of the ashes, and now is >about 90% in the poles? Only a few weeks before the attacks, he was on the >verge of political ruin as a president, especially in light of bad public >relations with foreign governments, lack of diplomacy over environmental >issues domestically, as well as recession here in the US, in addition to a >smattering of other embarrassing issues. Now that a war has been declared, >he has rallied the support of Democrats and Republicans alike, not to speak >of the whole country. > >You see this clearly in the Dasamsa. In the Ashtamsa, Moon/Jupiter in the >8th, aspected by Saturn/Mars (from the sign of Aries), and Rahu/Ketu, from >the lagna, indicate in no uncertain terms, that war befalls the nation if >this person becomes president. Note the ominous indications of the D-8 >Narayana dasa: Aq/Sg/Ar, being the major, sub, and sub-sub periods, >especially with Aries et al, being the Shasta pada, all aspecting the lagna >lord in the 8th. > >Regarding the Navamsa: The same indications are shown there: Given that >five planets occupy the Chandra lagna, we can better examine the Navamsa >chart from that vantage point. From Leo (which is also the 10th house >from lagna), Mars is again the Yoga-karaka, forging the most successful >direction of public policy, as a strong war-time leader: Mars joining Rahu >shows conflict with a foreign, al beit covert adversary; Jupiter in Leo is >powerful as lord of the 5th from the Moon, showing a seasoned and wise >cabinet of advisors to work with; Saturn as lord of the 7th, shows support >from the masses; and 1st lord Sun being exalted in the 9th (Aries) >indicates leadership and command of the Armed forces during such times of >crisis. Clearly you will see Bush's greater strengths emerge in times of >military crisis and retaliation. > >Summing up: Navamsa indicates the strengths in the matter of conducting >domestic and foreign relations while the president is in office; the >Dasamsa indicates which particular areas of office or government, may give >strength or weakness to his administration, as well as bid for a second >term of office in 2004. > >Best wishes, >Robert > >===================================== >Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer >760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. >Bend, OR. 97701-9037 >Phone: 541-318-0248 >visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail >rk. rk and >rkoch rkoch > > > >gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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