Guest guest Posted September 21, 2001 Report Share Posted September 21, 2001 Dear Caitanya <<Government and Jyotishas responsability is to guide even polititians towards a Godly Government.. this is what we all need I suppose that if we have to guide people we should be acquinted with at least a basic general education ,such a history, geography, maths , economy, and so on. My guru advise me not to trust in Polititians but I study them with the help of Jyotish and other sources I come to conclusions as to determine if they are crooks or bonafide. Why I shall follow them towards disaster, my dharma is to help anyone.>> I really like what you wrote there. We should be open minded and follow our dharma in our best capacity. Long ago i reached university level but i saw that neither my teachers nor my school could give me what i was looking for. I was impreesed by the educational structure. I wa studying architecture and later on Philosophy. To obtain the degree you have to study a lot of subject matters which can help to build up your character and career. Because university could not help me, i have had to become AUTODIDACTA. I do not know the translation for that word but it means that i had to learn things by myself. I read many books on many subject matters, some rubish and some very usefull but i learn a lot and now i can be an astrologer to many thanks to that knowlege. One day i got the opportunity to advise a farmer in Guadalajara , Spain. I had the theory in books and i read more books about agriculture but i needed the practice. How could advise a farmer if i did not know when are the best times for planting? Or how to interact different crops to have better yields? In my country, farmers buy insurance for their crops and they have to follow the rules from their banks about when to plant, otherwise they lose their insurance. But banks do not know astrology. I have read articles in the Astrological Magazine of Raman, about vedic meteorology. Amazing stuff but we are not trained for that yet. How to see the time when the clouds become "pregnant" during a certain moon months and moon in a constellation. And how tp predict the amount of rain likely to come in 9 months time. That is a science but we have to learn the basics on meteorology as well. Even what it seems mundane talk can be related to astrology. We have to learn to read the intentions on people if we want to help them. We may have the knowgledge but we have to have the sakti as well. Sakti is only given by grace to whom she choses. Astrology is related to practically every human activity and we must be ready for that. The kurus had a very good astrologer advicing them in how to win the war. That was his dharma and he was doing a good job. He told them to start the Kurutshetra war on amavasya day to win the battle. He was right and a very good astrologer but on the other side, Lord Krishna, the Supreme astrologer was giving advice to the Pandavas abd tricked the Kurus into start the was on the previous day, the 14th day of the moon. Astrologers know that activities started on the 14th moon day are destined to end in failure and the Kurus lost the battle and their kingdom. I agree with you. We as astrologers have a great responsability and wae have to study as many sciences as our capacity allows. Natabara Das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2001 Report Share Posted September 22, 2001 Aum Gurave Namah: Dear Natabara: PAM respects. You said: I really like what you wrote there. We should be open minded and follow our dharma in our best capacity. I said: Thank you for that , I have a long way to go yet. You said: Long ago i reached university level but i saw that neither my teachers nor my school could give me what i was looking for. I was impreesed by the educational structure. I wa studying architecture and later on Philosophy. To obtain the degree you have to study a lot of subject matters which can help to build up your character and career. Because university could not help me, i have had to become AUTODIDACTA. I do not know the translation for that word but it means that i had to learn things by myself. I said: we have simmilar experieces, I left the college in Argentina there was to much TERRORISM arround at that time so I embrace ISKCON, I'm eternally gratefull for what I had learn, but we face very difficult times, and pain, I wanted to study Jyotish, Ayur Veda and music, and I became facinated and interested in all the 64 artictic qualities which are the embodiment of Srimati Radharani, I guess that's why Lord Krishna loves her so much! , but ISKCON wasn't ready to say yes do it !. they need Sankirtan people spread the Hari Nam, and there was not room for my spiritual wishes yet to be fulfilled , so I had to become and AUTODIDACTA just like you, and became some how a REBELD a very difficult Road to drive ! . I thought about Vritrasura defeating Lord INDRA and the Devas , I said to myself : why the RAKSHASAS are so bad ? Are not they created by GOD ? , Lord INDRA was lost everything due to overindulgence in the PANCHAINDRIYA, and Vritaasura came to teach him a lesson , so He learned the NARAYANA KAVACHA and regain the lost power, so this chapter of SRIMAD BHAGAVATAM had open my eyes. Now I ask again is not America just like INDRALOKA , (of course in our mundane stratum), and is not Abin Ladden just like Vritrasura ?. Will George W. Bush learn the NARAYANA KAVACHA ? or is he I hope so, for the benefit of the threee worlds.. I said: I read many books on many subject matters, some rubish and some very usefull but i learn a lot and now i can be an astrologer to many thanks to that knowlege. This is the way, to understand God for few of us is the jnana Yoga, , I did and I'm still doing the same , You said : One day i got the opportunity to advise a farmer in Guadalajara , Spain. I had the theory in books and i read more books about agriculture but i needed the practice. I said: Great job you do Natabara, pranams . BTW I also being in Guadalahara Have you being in Brihuega? in Iskcon farm? You said: How could advise a farmer if i did not know when are the best times for planting? Or how to interact different crops to have better yields? In my country, farmers buy insurance for their crops and they have to follow the rules from their banks about when to plant, otherwise they lose their insurance. But banks do not know astrology. I said: Hopefully they will do, unfortunatly the Banks HAVE their VAISHYA'S dharma which is seeing only material gain, I hope the leader of the world from where ever they operate or from the visible or from the Shadow, will listen some one with and Strong SPIRITUAL background, if we become good enoght as to advise them of the importance of combining material prosperity with spiritual advancement we will all enjoyed the benefits , I just met Sanjaya in a workshop given in London, he is my Siksha in Jyotish . At this point of a long and a very rich acumulated life experience I can say that He is brilliant ! and surpasses my expectation, I learned more in few hours than in years, I guess that I'm more mature than in the times of ISKCON, He proved the importance of Jaimini Sutras that they are one and the same with the teachings of Parashara to all the assembly, I really trust that the Acyuta's predicctions will come true, that the Sanata Dharma will be established from the year 2000. And considering Robert's vision on G.W.Bush Chart that Shani it is not only the lord of the 8th , but is also RUDRA as well as MAHESWARA so the time KALA has come to take whoever has to be taken, and what to do in this circumstances, take the spiritual path in totallity, once OSHO told me that the enlightment will come only when we have an STRONG urgency to achieve it and not before. So mo matter what's happen in the coming war , those with enough sicerity will be choosen to cohexist on the basis of Dharma, and I say to myself God allow me by your side ., I have read articles in the Astrological Magazine of Raman, about vedic meteorology. Amazing stuff but we are not trained for that yet. How to see the time when the clouds become "pregnant" during a certain moon months and moon in a constellation. And how tp predict the amount of rain likely to come in 9 months time. That is a science but we have to learn the basics on meteorology as well. Even what it seems mundane talk can be related to astrology. We have to learn to read the intentions on people if we want to help them. We may have the knowgledge but we have to have the sakti as well. Sakti is only given by grace to whom she choses. Astrology is related to practically every human activity and we must be ready for that. Agreed The kurus had a very good astrologer advicing them in how to win the war. That was his dharma and he was doing a good job. He told them to start the Kurutshetra war on amavasya day to win the battle. He was right and a very good astrologer but on the other side, Lord Krishna, the Supreme astrologer was giving advice to the Pandavas abd tricked the Kurus into start the was on the previous day, the 14th day of the moon. Astrologers know that activities started on the 14th moon day are destined to end in failure and the Kurus lost the battle and their kingdom. Beautifull , your are such a Pandit Natabara !, this illustration shows as that Lord Krishna is not just a symbol or a MITH but he did really existed in a human form ,but also could be addressed , and related to different individuals in a form called LILA , but he specially favor his BHAKTAS and never BROKE his promise , that his devotees will be always protected. And HIS ability to fulfilled many wonderfull tasks at the same time makes him unique, that's why I say JAY SRI KRISHNA BHAGAVAN. My best wishes Natabara and hope you keep up the good work ( the flame of Dharma.) Hare Ram Krishna Chaitanya S. das gjlist, "natabara" <natabara@n...> wrote: > Dear Caitanya > > <<Government and Jyotishas responsability is to guide even polititians towards a Godly Government.. this is what we all need I suppose that if we have to guide people we should be acquinted with at least a > basic general education ,such a history, geography, maths , economy, > and so on. My guru advise me not to trust in Polititians but I study them with the help of Jyotish and other sources I come to conclusions as to determine if they are crooks or bonafide. Why I shall follow > them towards disaster, my dharma is to help anyone.>> > > I really like what you wrote there. We should be open minded and follow our dharma in our best capacity. > > Long ago i reached university level but i saw that neither my teachers nor my school could give me what i was looking for. > > I was impreesed by the educational structure. I wa studying architecture and later on Philosophy. To obtain the degree you have to study a lot of subject matters which can help to build up your character and career. > > Because university could not help me, i have had to become AUTODIDACTA. I do not know the translation for that word but it means that i had to learn things by myself. > > I read many books on many subject matters, some rubish and some very usefull but i learn a lot and now i can be an astrologer to many thanks to that knowlege. > > One day i got the opportunity to advise a farmer in Guadalajara , Spain. I had the theory in books and i read more books about agriculture but i needed the practice. > > How could advise a farmer if i did not know when are the best times for planting? Or how to interact different crops to have better yields? > > In my country, farmers buy insurance for their crops and they have to follow the rules from their banks about when to plant, otherwise they lose their insurance. But banks do not know astrology. > > I have read articles in the Astrological Magazine of Raman, about vedic meteorology. > Amazing stuff but we are not trained for that yet. How to see the time when the clouds become "pregnant" during a certain moon months and moon in a constellation. And how tp predict the amount of rain likely to come in 9 months time. > > That is a science but we have to learn the basics on meteorology as well. > > Even what it seems mundane talk can be related to astrology. We have to learn to read the intentions on people if we want to help them. > > We may have the knowgledge but we have to have the sakti as well. Sakti is only given by grace to whom she choses. > > Astrology is related to practically every human activity and we must be ready for that. > > The kurus had a very good astrologer advicing them in how to win the war. That was his dharma and he was doing a good job. He told them to start the Kurutshetra war on amavasya day to win the battle. He was right and a very good astrologer but on the other side, Lord Krishna, the Supreme astrologer was giving advice to the Pandavas abd tricked the Kurus into start the was on the previous day, the 14th day of the moon. > > Astrologers know that activities started on the 14th moon day are destined to end in failure and the Kurus lost the battle and their kingdom. > > I agree with you. We as astrologers have a great responsability and wae have to study as many sciences as our capacity allows. > > Natabara Das > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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