justice and retaliation/Scott

[Guest guest]

Scott:

 

At 10:14 PM 9/15/01 -0400, you wrote:

>Why does it have to be a reward?

>

>Why is their so much resistance to bringing those who pretreated such

>senseless act's of killing to justice?

>

>Bring them to justice....then the world can ban together to "help" or make

>"content" (whatever that means)...then the world gets safer and better for

>all..........

>

>Seriously, why is there so much resistance on this list to bring "justice"

>(as defined by the laws of the current world) to those who just killed 5,000

>+ people in less then two hours?

 

I hadn't noticed this reluctance. Some may focus more on the longer term

historical causes of the attack, (religious antipathy, unchallenged

american economic power, growing gap between rich and poor in the world)

than on justice. But that doesn't mean that justice doesn't need to be

done. I think the US and its allies need to do whatever it takes to stop

terrorists. But there are different ways of doing this. However, I think

"retaliation" (cruise missles, carpet bombing, ground troops) is a

shortsighted solution. It might play well at home, but it will only

inflame muslim hatred for the US and provide a breeding ground for

thousands for future bin Ladens. I know the administration knows this, but

they may be more motivated by revenge. Certainly, the population seeks

this. And I don't blame them a bit. It's just a paradoxical situation all

around. If you knew that the consequences of a full blown invasion of

Afghanistan would be a galvanizing of muslim people against the US and the

spread of the war across the middle east, would you still support it? And

all the while bin Laden is never found? That is the real measure of

revenge. And a completely normal human reaction.

 

I also think that the pre-eminent position of "karma" that members of this

list is another source of this reluctance to go down the road of

retaliation. Karma may be an ineluctable "law", but it is also a recipe

for resignation and acceptance of whatever happens. If this bad thing

happened to the US, it is because it deserved it. I don't fully embrace

this simple concept of karma for that reason.

 

Chris

[Guest guest]

Christopher Kevill wrote:

>

> I also think that the pre-eminent position of "karma" that members of this

> list is another source of this reluctance to go down the road of

> retaliation. Karma may be an ineluctable "law", but it is also a recipe

> for resignation and acceptance of whatever happens. If this bad thing

> happened to the US, it is because it deserved it. I don't fully embrace

> this simple concept of karma for that reason.

 

Dear chris,

 

I agree with everything you say. It is, IMHO, totally wrong to say the US

deserved it. What did the US DESERVE, the loss of 6000 lives and a lot of money?

These things are cause and effect, not in the sense of karma, but as an everyday

occurrence. I personally did not plead for passivity or for "loving the

terrorists and rewarding them". The passive acceptance of evil, especially when

it affects someone else, is the bane of Hindu society and the enemy of social

thinking.

 

Nobody knows the ramifications of Karma. SO WE MUST ACT AS IF WE HAVE TOTAL

FREE-WILL! One may fail to achieve something in spite of trying, but if one is

passive, one would have failed for not trying, which is worse. The very fact

that we have brains means that the creator intended us to think. We should least

think of solutions, even if karma frustrates our efforts.

 

All nations are responsible for the state of affairs in this world. The thing is

not to repeat the mistakes of the past, or resort to measures that will have

effects worse than what one wants to cure. If Sabine´s mail has any truth in it,

the US and other western nations are ALSO responsible for the death of the 6000!

The message is, don´t throw boomerangs, don´t create breeding grounds for

violence, don´t make monsters. Get to the root of thematter and correct it

there.

 

regards

Mani

[Guest guest]

Aim Gurave NAMAH

 

Dear Mani , Christopher and others :

 

Please accept my respect for your insight !

 

Hare Ram Krishna

 

C.S.das

 

 

 

gjlist, subra@t... wrote:

> Christopher Kevill wrote:

> >

> > I also think that the pre-eminent position of "karma" that

members of this

> > list is another source of this reluctance to go down the road of

> > retaliation. Karma may be an ineluctable "law", but it is also a

recipe

> > for resignation and acceptance of whatever happens. If this bad

thing

> > happened to the US, it is because it deserved it. I don't fully

embrace

> > this simple concept of karma for that reason.

>

> Dear chris,

>

> I agree with everything you say. It is, IMHO, totally wrong to say

the US

> deserved it. What did the US DESERVE, the loss of 6000 lives and a

lot of money?

> These things are cause and effect, not in the sense of karma, but

as an everyday

> occurrence. I personally did not plead for passivity or for "loving

the

> terrorists and rewarding them". The passive acceptance of evil,

especially when

> it affects someone else, is the bane of Hindu society and the enemy

of social

> thinking.

>

> Nobody knows the ramifications of Karma. SO WE MUST ACT AS IF WE

HAVE TOTAL

> FREE-WILL! One may fail to achieve something in spite of trying,

but if one is

> passive, one would have failed for not trying, which is worse. The

very fact

> that we have brains means that the creator intended us to think. We

should least

> think of solutions, even if karma frustrates our efforts.

>

> All nations are responsible for the state of affairs in this world.

The thing is

> not to repeat the mistakes of the past, or resort to measures that

will have

> effects worse than what one wants to cure. If Sabine´s mail has any

truth in it,

> the US and other western nations are ALSO responsible for the death

of the 6000!

> The message is, don´t throw boomerangs, don´t create breeding

grounds for

> violence, don´t make monsters. Get to the root of thematter and

correct it

> there.

>

> regards

> Mani