Guest guest Posted September 16, 2001 Report Share Posted September 16, 2001 Mani: Well said! Astrological judgements will always be contextualized. But most fair minded astrologers would look at his chandra chart for Mar 10 1957 and say this chart held huge potential for fame and success in life but also with a possibility for misdirected anger and the potential for violence (Mars with Ketu). Chris At 10:09 AM 9/15/01 +0200, you wrote: >Sanjay Rath wrote: >> >> >> Someone has brought out the terribly warped thinking of a terrorist in this >> list recently. > >I don´t know about what happens in the head of a terrorist. We may see Osama and >his minions as evil or mad. But in the Middle-east he is celebrated as a >selfless hero. An astrologer there would read his chart from a very different >perspective. > >Let us see it from the other side: > >A multi-millionaire, instead of living in luxury and ease, takes up a cause. He >is not afraid to criticize his king, accepts banishment into the wilds. There he >lives huts or caves or whatever, no palace. He and his followers are not >just "risking" their lives, but deliberately accept martyrdom for their cause, >rush into death. He spends his money for the cause. > >On the TV Osama does not have the look of a maniac. He very calmly and clearly >explains: "The Americans are stealing our oil, have bombed and killed our >people, desecrated our holy places. They are terrorists and bandits, we have to >pay them back in their own coin." He is convinced that he is serving the Arab >nations. And many people in those nations are also convinced. > >He is a genius, to be able to build up such a network, a master of organization. > >He has studied in the US, knows the people there. How did this hate arise? We >ask, "What went wrong?" But an Arab astrologer will see nothing wrong at all, >even if he uses jyothish - except perhaps the "sad" end of a hero, if Osama is >killed! > >That is the background for astrology - the two-sided nature of the character of >Osama. > >regards >Mani > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2001 Report Share Posted September 16, 2001 Christopher Kevill wrote: > Mani: > > Well said! Astrological judgements will always be contextualized. But most > fair minded astrologers would look at his chandra chart for Mar 10 1957 and > say this chart held huge potential for fame and success in life but also > with a possibility for misdirected anger and the potential for violence > (Mars with Ketu). Dear Chris, I am breaking my word and writing once more on the subject. Thanks for understanding my point: many have thought that i defend a terrorist. This is not war in the usual sense, nor the hunt for a common criminal. In asense it is a war on an ideology that is widespread but diffuse. To fight such an enemy one must KNOW everything about the enemy. how strong is his support and who are his present and potential allies? We and all our institutions are clear targets, but where is the enemy, where his soldiers? The comparison is poor, but we are sort of "caught in a valley" with the enemy hiding in the hills above, as happened with Custer or the British in the Kabul pass. Also VietNam. Sagacity is needed. It is said that if you kill a cobra or amamba, its mate will seek you out and kill you. More applicable: it is dangerous to kill a hornet or wasp by swatting or crushing it: the smell of the dead insect will at once attract a swarm of wasps to that spot. Today the weekly press-reporters´ discussion naturally dealt with this matter. Everything I had said was mentioned- and more. Unfortunately they were all excited, all tried to speak at the same time and no answers were found! But it was the reporter of the Wall Street jornal who said the most sane things, expressed hope that Bush would not act too hastily. Our goverments have expressed solidarity, but the Chief of the EUROPOL says that there is no absolute or clear proof that Osama was responsible. There seem to be 7 countries itching to deal the west a blow. Names were not given except Irak. each of these countries has its own terrorist groups, at least 4 are operating in Germany. There was a hint that it was Saddam Hussein who arranged this, somehow using the assassins who had been trained by Osama. I share the opinion of the journalists here that Osama or Taliban in Afghanistan could not have organized this attack so well. Some other state is involved and Osama is there, not in Afghanistan. Bush has to act, but the US citizens should give him time to be sure as to what he is doing, not something premature to appear active! Even not doing anything at once may be good tactics. God help him to find the right way! regards Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2001 Report Share Posted September 16, 2001 > Mani: > > Well said! Astrological judgements will always be contextualized. well, It is context *sensitive* ( Desa-Kala-Pathra ). Dont make it is context FREE. Look in different contexts. I hv seen such discussion on vedic astrology like, seeing Jawahar Lal Nehru as a political leader, other side womanizer, blah blah(some body raised). See his chart from psuedo fundamental arab astrologer`s view. Just we r missing the keys in this discussion. Regards, Venkat But most > fair minded astrologers would look at his chandra chart for Mar 10 1957 and > say this chart held huge potential for fame and success in life but also > with a possibility for misdirected anger and the potential for violence > (Mars with Ketu). > > Chris > > > At 10:09 AM 9/15/01 +0200, you wrote: > >Sanjay Rath wrote: > >> > >> > >> Someone has brought out the terribly warped thinking of a terrorist in this > >> list recently. > > > >I don´t know about what happens in the head of a terrorist. We may see > Osama and > >his minions as evil or mad. But in the Middle-east he is celebrated as a > >selfless hero. An astrologer there would read his chart from a very > different > >perspective. > > > >Let us see it from the other side: > > > >A multi-millionaire, instead of living in luxury and ease, takes up a > cause. He > >is not afraid to criticize his king, accepts banishment into the wilds. > There he > >lives huts or caves or whatever, no palace. He and his followers are not > >just "risking" their lives, but deliberately accept martyrdom for their > cause, > >rush into death. He spends his money for the cause. > > > >On the TV Osama does not have the look of a maniac. He very calmly and > clearly > >explains: "The Americans are stealing our oil, have bombed and killed our > >people, desecrated our holy places. They are terrorists and bandits, we > have to > >pay them back in their own coin." He is convinced that he is serving the > Arab > >nations. And many people in those nations are also convinced. > > > >He is a genius, to be able to build up such a network, a master of > organization. > > > >He has studied in the US, knows the people there. How did this hate arise? > We > >ask, "What went wrong?" But an Arab astrologer will see nothing wrong at > all, > >even if he uses jyothish - except perhaps the "sad" end of a hero, if > Osama is > >killed! > > > >That is the background for astrology - the two-sided nature of the > character of > >Osama. > > > >regards > >Mani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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