Guest guest Posted September 14, 2001 Report Share Posted September 14, 2001 Dear Members, The vimsottari dasa system is the traditional method of prediction and is used to verify Rashi...this I think is accepted by all. During the period of any planet, the significations of that planet as well as the affairs of the house it occupies, will manifest as our experience...this is basic jyotish doctrine! The (Aries) chart I cast, although based only on intuition, seems to reflect this current period more than the (Libra) chart put forward by Sanjay. With Aries, the dasa lord Saturn is in 8th house of Death (disunion, calamities, forts, battle etc). It's not difficult to conclude that with 10th lord Saturn in this house the native's activities would be disruptive, to say the least. His involvement in war-like activities (during this dasa) is strengthened (I believe) by the mutual aspect between Saturn/Mars. I'm not doggedly advocating that this is the correct chart, but the more I look at it the more probable it becomes. We know that Bin Laden has an extreme spiritual nature...this is more feasible with Ketu in ascendant than it is with Rahu there. In regards to father's wealth...karaka Sun needs to be considered along with 9/10 lord. In this chart Sun is in 11th house of "gains" and as earlier stated 10th house is aspected by 9th lord Jupiter. To make a blanket statement such as 9/10 lord in dusthana will indicate a poor father, without considering other aspects is extremely short-sighted. Rgds, Wendy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2001 Report Share Posted September 15, 2001 Dear Wendy, Could you send me the birth date that you are using for this chart, I would very much appreciate it. Thanks, Don - "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas <gjlist> Friday, September 14, 2001 10:58 PM [gjlist] Bin Laden > Dear Members, > The vimsottari dasa system is the traditional method of prediction and is used to verify Rashi...this I think is accepted by all. During the period of any planet, the significations of that planet as well as the affairs of the house it occupies, will manifest as our experience...this is basic jyotish doctrine! > > The (Aries) chart I cast, although based only on intuition, seems to reflect this current period more than the (Libra) chart put forward by Sanjay. > > With Aries, the dasa lord Saturn is in 8th house of Death (disunion, calamities, forts, battle etc). It's not difficult to conclude that with 10th lord Saturn in this house the native's activities would be disruptive, to say the least. His involvement in war-like activities (during this dasa) is strengthened (I believe) by the mutual aspect between Saturn/Mars. > > I'm not doggedly advocating that this is the correct chart, but the more I look at it the more probable it becomes. We know that Bin Laden has an extreme spiritual nature...this is more feasible with Ketu in ascendant than it is with Rahu there. > > In regards to father's wealth...karaka Sun needs to be considered along with 9/10 lord. In this chart Sun is in 11th house of "gains" and as earlier stated 10th house is aspected by 9th lord Jupiter. To make a blanket statement such as 9/10 lord in dusthana will indicate a poor father, without considering other aspects is extremely short-sighted. > > Rgds, Wendy > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2001 Report Share Posted September 15, 2001 Sanjay Rath wrote: > > > Someone has brought out the terribly warped thinking of a terrorist in this > list recently. I don´t know about what happens in the head of a terrorist. We may see Osama and his minions as evil or mad. But in the Middle-east he is celebrated as a selfless hero. An astrologer there would read his chart from a very different perspective. Let us see it from the other side: A multi-millionaire, instead of living in luxury and ease, takes up a cause. He is not afraid to criticize his king, accepts banishment into the wilds. There he lives huts or caves or whatever, no palace. He and his followers are not just "risking" their lives, but deliberately accept martyrdom for their cause, rush into death. He spends his money for the cause. On the TV Osama does not have the look of a maniac. He very calmly and clearly explains: "The Americans are stealing our oil, have bombed and killed our people, desecrated our holy places. They are terrorists and bandits, we have to pay them back in their own coin." He is convinced that he is serving the Arab nations. And many people in those nations are also convinced. He is a genius, to be able to build up such a network, a master of organization. He has studied in the US, knows the people there. How did this hate arise? We ask, "What went wrong?" But an Arab astrologer will see nothing wrong at all, even if he uses jyothish - except perhaps the "sad" end of a hero, if Osama is killed! That is the background for astrology - the two-sided nature of the character of Osama. regards Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2001 Report Share Posted September 15, 2001 Sanjay Wrote: >>Aries Lagna: First it was saturn as 10 lord in 8 giving the inheritance and now it is the Sun in 11 house.<< Fiddlesticks Sanjay!! Think over your words before you post them...where did I say "Sun in 11th gives inheritance".... I have no desire to lock horns with you Sanjay, we've already been down that road (many times). So for the sake of peace I will ignore the incorrect statements you (continually) put forward as "Sanjay's Law". Wendy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2001 Report Share Posted September 15, 2001 Om Gurave Namah -------------------------- Dear Members, Perhaps I am short sighted, but not blind. However, I will not retaliate on this and will stick to the subject. If we are to consider Vimsottari dasa as it is claimed to be the best both by myself and so many others, so let us do so. Libra Lagna: Mercury is the Lord of vimsottari dasa and is the ninth Lord representing Father, government and Dharma that runs this world. Mercury is in the fifth house of prayers and religiosity showing that the focus during its dasa shall be Islam and this can take fundamental tones depending on the nature of Mercury. IT MAYBE NOTED THAT MERCURY IS INVOLVED IN A PLANETARY WAR CALLED GRAHA YUDDHA WITH VENUS INDICATING THAT DURING THE DASA OF MERCURY THE NATIVE HIMSELF SHALL BE INVOLVED IN BATTLES AND MANY FIGHTS. THIS WAR IS WITH VENUS AND MERCURY IS THE DEFEATED PLANET. THUS, DURING MERCURY DASA THE NATIVE SHALL BE INVOLVED IN MANY BATTLES AND WARS AND SHALL ALSO SUFFER DEFEAT AND HAVE TO FLEE. If the defeated planet is also associated with the badhak Lord 9which it is in this case), then the obstruction shall be tremendous and he may face complete isolation and destruction since Mercury is completely destroyed. There is nothing spiritual about murdering people. No, I cannot accept that. We will have to agree to disagree at this point also just like we agreed to disagree with the 33% free will. Aries Lagna: First it was saturn as 10 lord in 8 giving the inheritance and now it is the Sun in 11 house. Sun will be 11 house in charts of all people born around 10 AM... Malefic planets in Dusthana are supposed to give excellent results. So, saturn dasa should be very good....??? Best Wishes Sanjay Rath - Wendy Vasicek <wenvas <gjlist> Saturday, September 15, 2001 11:28 AM [gjlist] Bin Laden > Dear Members, > The vimsottari dasa system is the traditional method of prediction and is used to verify Rashi...this I think is accepted by all. During the period of any planet, the significations of that planet as well as the affairs of the house it occupies, will manifest as our experience...this is basic jyotish doctrine! > > The (Aries) chart I cast, although based only on intuition, seems to reflect this current period more than the (Libra) chart put forward by Sanjay. > > With Aries, the dasa lord Saturn is in 8th house of Death (disunion, calamities, forts, battle etc). It's not difficult to conclude that with 10th lord Saturn in this house the native's activities would be disruptive, to say the least. His involvement in war-like activities (during this dasa) is strengthened (I believe) by the mutual aspect between Saturn/Mars. > > I'm not doggedly advocating that this is the correct chart, but the more I look at it the more probable it becomes. We know that Bin Laden has an extreme spiritual nature...this is more feasible with Ketu in ascendant than it is with Rahu there. > > In regards to father's wealth...karaka Sun needs to be considered along with 9/10 lord. In this chart Sun is in 11th house of "gains" and as earlier stated 10th house is aspected by 9th lord Jupiter. To make a blanket statement such as 9/10 lord in dusthana will indicate a poor father, without considering other aspects is extremely short-sighted. > > Rgds, Wendy > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2001 Report Share Posted September 15, 2001 Hi Don, Osama Bin Laden March 10 1957 (9.45 AM) Jiddah, Saudi Arabia The birth time Sanjay put forward is 22.55 Being intrinsically lethargic I've not made any attempt at rectification...just a rough time to establish a lagna indicative of some well-known facts. Of course it could be way off..... Rgds, Wendy >>Dear Wendy, Could you send me the birth date that you are using for this chart, I would very much appreciate it. Thanks, Don<< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2001 Report Share Posted September 15, 2001 Hello Wendy, I just want to say a quick hello, long time since I posted and I want to consider a few things before I post, as it will be rather ....... hmmmmm against the tide of popular opinion as they say....*s* And funny enough, some of the things Mani posted has Me laughing...... I like Mani always have but at times I have differed in views.....but to find him elaborate in a manner that is so amusing to me is enough to make Me fall of this chair....lol Anyway, I am not going to enter the debate between you and Sanjay as I respect the opinion of the both of you as both of you have a much deeper grasp of Jyotish than I do.....but having said that, that is not to say that I do not have some opinion on the current issues.....and I am going to express them shortly.....despite the serious possibility I may get banned from the list......nonetheless we can only speak our truth, according to our understanding.....*s*. Do take care this does promise to be an interesting week end....lol Respectfully, Don - "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas <gjlist> Saturday, September 15, 2001 1:27 AM Re: [gjlist] Bin Laden > Hi Don, > > Osama Bin Laden > March 10 1957 (9.45 AM) > Jiddah, Saudi Arabia > > The birth time Sanjay put forward is 22.55 > > Being intrinsically lethargic I've not made any attempt at rectification...just a rough time to establish a lagna indicative of some well-known facts. Of course it could be way off..... > > Rgds, Wendy > > >>Dear Wendy, > Could you send me the birth date that you are using for this chart, I would > very much appreciate it. > Thanks, > Don<< > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2001 Report Share Posted September 15, 2001 Hmm Mani:) I concur with ur views Regards, Venkat > Sanjay Rath wrote: > > > > > > Someone has brought out the terribly warped thinking of a terrorist in this > > list recently. > > I don´t know about what happens in the head of a terrorist. We may see Osama and > his minions as evil or mad. But in the Middle-east he is celebrated as a > selfless hero. An astrologer there would read his chart from a very different > perspective. > > Let us see it from the other side: > > A multi-millionaire, instead of living in luxury and ease, takes up a cause. He > is not afraid to criticize his king, accepts banishment into the wilds. There he > lives huts or caves or whatever, no palace. He and his followers are not > just "risking" their lives, but deliberately accept martyrdom for their cause, > rush into death. He spends his money for the cause. > > On the TV Osama does not have the look of a maniac. He very calmly and clearly > explains: "The Americans are stealing our oil, have bombed and killed our > people, desecrated our holy places. They are terrorists and bandits, we have to > pay them back in their own coin." He is convinced that he is serving the Arab > nations. And many people in those nations are also convinced. > > He is a genius, to be able to build up such a network, a master of organization. > > He has studied in the US, knows the people there. How did this hate arise? We > ask, "What went wrong?" But an Arab astrologer will see nothing wrong at all, > even if he uses jyothish - except perhaps the "sad" end of a hero, if Osama is > killed! > > That is the background for astrology - the two-sided nature of the character of > Osama. > > regards > Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2001 Report Share Posted September 15, 2001 Dear Mani You seem to forget there were so many Muslims working in the WTC . Now what type of astrologer says It's Ok to blow up members of your own religion . Who appointed Bin Laden the final say over the right to life ? In the name of liberal thinking you are ignoring that the U.S' objective is peace,freedom and prosperity and given equal footing to one whose objective is hate ,terror ,pain ,war and destruction . To act ethically in war is always a difficult dilemna even at the time of Kurksetra. America has made mistakes persueing it's objectives but we should clearly discriminate between it's objectives and that of it's adversaries .The war against fascism which Ametica saved Europe and the Pacific nations from was not always conducted on an unquestionably ethical basis .That is the nature of war and why America and her allies try to avoid it . Your statements are full of woolly thinking . Best Wishes Nicholas - <subra <gjlist> Saturday, September 15, 2001 6:09 PM Re: [gjlist] Bin Laden > Sanjay Rath wrote: > > > > > > Someone has brought out the terribly warped thinking of a terrorist in this > > list recently. > > I don´t know about what happens in the head of a terrorist. We may see Osama and > his minions as evil or mad. But in the Middle-east he is celebrated as a > selfless hero. An astrologer there would read his chart from a very different > perspective. > > Let us see it from the other side: > > A multi-millionaire, instead of living in luxury and ease, takes up a cause. He > is not afraid to criticize his king, accepts banishment into the wilds. There he > lives huts or caves or whatever, no palace. He and his followers are not > just "risking" their lives, but deliberately accept martyrdom for their cause, > rush into death. He spends his money for the cause. > > On the TV Osama does not have the look of a maniac. He very calmly and clearly > explains: "The Americans are stealing our oil, have bombed and killed our > people, desecrated our holy places. They are terrorists and bandits, we have to > pay them back in their own coin." He is convinced that he is serving the Arab > nations. And many people in those nations are also convinced. > > He is a genius, to be able to build up such a network, a master of organization. > > He has studied in the US, knows the people there. How did this hate arise? We > ask, "What went wrong?" But an Arab astrologer will see nothing wrong at all, > even if he uses jyothish - except perhaps the "sad" end of a hero, if Osama is > killed! > > That is the background for astrology - the two-sided nature of the character of > Osama. > > regards > Mani > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2001 Report Share Posted September 15, 2001 Don wrote: And funny enough, > some of the things Mani posted has Me laughing...... I like Mani always > have but at times I have differed in views.....but to find him elaborate in > a manner that is so amusing to me is enough to make Me fall of this > chair....lol Am glad I gave you a chance to laugh during these sad times. But don´t fall of the chair such that you get hurt. Keep liking me, that is enough for me! regards Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2001 Report Share Posted September 15, 2001 - "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas <gjlist> Saturday, September 15, 2001 1:27 AM Re: [gjlist] Bin Laden > Hi Don, > > Osama Bin Laden > March 10 1957 (9.45 AM) > Jiddah, Saudi Arabia > > The birth time Sanjay put forward is 22.55 > > Being intrinsically lethargic I've not made any attempt at rectification...just a rough time to establish a lagna indicative of some well-known facts. Of course it could be way off..... > > Rgds, Wendy > > >>Dear Wendy, > Could you send me the birth date that you are using for this chart, I would > very much appreciate it. > Thanks, > Don<< > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2001 Report Share Posted September 15, 2001 hello list i received this from another list that i belong to and i hope it is ok to post it here in the interests of possible astrological data...i have not had time to check this link for myself as yet <From a US State Department Factsheet located at the following website, http://www.fpc.gov/CRS_reps/crsterr3.htm , ......we find that Osama bin Laden was born July 30, 1957, presumably in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. > stavavali d.d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2001 Report Share Posted September 15, 2001 thanks Mani!! and I laugh not at you, but rather at how easily people are mani--uplated into perceptions..... and what I meant by your elaboration was your differing view about who he is..... and I think you have several points that are bang on..... Take care, and if I fall from My chair, I will get back up, I always do....lol respectfully,... - <subra <gjlist> Saturday, September 15, 2001 3:38 AM Re: [gjlist] Bin Laden > Don wrote: > And funny enough, > > some of the things Mani posted has Me laughing...... I like Mani always > > have but at times I have differed in views.....but to find him elaborate in > > a manner that is so amusing to me is enough to make Me fall of this > > chair....lol > > > Am glad I gave you a chance to laugh during these sad times. But don´t fall of > the chair such that you get hurt. Keep liking me, that is enough for me! > > regards > Mani > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2001 Report Share Posted September 15, 2001 Hi! Is the DOB certain? What is the source? Is the TOB only speculation or given anywhere? regards Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2001 Report Share Posted September 15, 2001 Om Gurave Namah -------------------------- Dear Mani, Thanks for the viewpoint. It was necessary. Then the methods are what I did not agree to. I don't know what oil India has stolen or is capable of stealing nor of any oil that the US has stolen; Nor do i know of the bombs that the US has thrown that were right or wrong without the agreement of other such Arab nations; Who am I to decide what is right and wrong. What hurts was the constant killing of innocent pilgrims and humble persons in Kashmere and WTC without any rhyme or reason. If he had the guts and really wanted to use his money properly, he should have filed a case in the US Supreme court or in the International Court of Justice. There are many forums for Human rights and Justice and even he had fouhgt sincerely in one it may have helped the other party to understand his viewpoint, but this is no way. It is the method that is wrong. There can be many reasons for hate. God knows why Hitler hated the Jews so much to kill them in such large numbers in concentration camps. I believe that all the arguments of yours would also be fully applicable to Hitler then and the entire German nation. Anyway, American fighter planes have just landed in Pakistan. So, perhaps our prayers have been answered. Srinagar has had its usual quota of violence : Toll-5 today. Finishing here Mani Babu. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath - <subra <gjlist> Saturday, September 15, 2001 1:39 PM Re: [gjlist] Bin Laden > Sanjay Rath wrote: > > > > > > Someone has brought out the terribly warped thinking of a terrorist in this > > list recently. > > I don´t know about what happens in the head of a terrorist. We may see Osama and > his minions as evil or mad. But in the Middle-east he is celebrated as a > selfless hero. An astrologer there would read his chart from a very different > perspective. > > Let us see it from the other side: > > A multi-millionaire, instead of living in luxury and ease, takes up a cause. He > is not afraid to criticize his king, accepts banishment into the wilds. There he > lives huts or caves or whatever, no palace. He and his followers are not > just "risking" their lives, but deliberately accept martyrdom for their cause, > rush into death. He spends his money for the cause. > > On the TV Osama does not have the look of a maniac. He very calmly and clearly > explains: "The Americans are stealing our oil, have bombed and killed our > people, desecrated our holy places. They are terrorists and bandits, we have to > pay them back in their own coin." He is convinced that he is serving the Arab > nations. And many people in those nations are also convinced. > > He is a genius, to be able to build up such a network, a master of organization. > > He has studied in the US, knows the people there. How did this hate arise? We > ask, "What went wrong?" But an Arab astrologer will see nothing wrong at all, > even if he uses jyothish - except perhaps the "sad" end of a hero, if Osama is > killed! > > That is the background for astrology - the two-sided nature of the character of > Osama. > > regards > Mani > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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