Nostradamus predictions connected to the tragedy?

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>

> Here is some of Nostradamus's predictions , may be connected to the

> tragedy ?.

>

> 'In the City of God there will be a great thunder, two brothers torn

> apart by chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will

> succumb.", "The third big war will begin when the big city is

> burning.on the 11th day of the 9 month that...two metal birds

> would crash into two tall statues...in the

> new city... and the world will end soon after" '

> * Nostradamus 1654'

 

 

 

Dear All

 

 

Nostradamus lived from 14.10.1503 - 2.7.1566 (born in St Remy de

Provence died at Salon de Provence)

so he couldn't have given this prediction in 1654

 

This 'quote ' is being spread over the Net but nobody seems able to

give the exact source (centuria, quartrain ) exactly

 

 

 

best regards

Hans

[Guest guest]

I think the quote you all have is a bit exaggerated. Here is the one that was

going around yesterday:

 

"A heretic is a man who sees with his own eyes."~~~Gotthold Ephraim Lessing

 

ready? this from act....

 

 

-

"Starfire33" <starfire

<act

Cc: <act

Tuesday, September 11, 2001 5:31 PM

[act] Nostradomias

 

 

> Anyone familiar with Nostradomas's prophesies?

> Didn't he say that the 3rd (and last) world war would

> begin with an attack on the "new city"???

 

Yes, see here:

http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/newcity.htm

 

The New City

Century 1, Quatrain 24

(A cit? neuue pensif pour condemner,

L'oisel de proye au ciel se vient offrir:

Apres victoire ? captifs pardonner,

Cremone & Mantoue gras maux aura souffert.)

 

The new city contemplating a condemnation,

The bird of prey offers itself to the heavens.

After victory pardon to the captives,

Cremona and Mantua will have suffered great evils.

 

 

Century 1, Quatrain 87

(Ennosigee feu du centre de terre,

Fera trembler autour de cit? neuue

Deux gras rochers long t?ps feront la guerre,

Puis Arethuse rougira nouueau fleuue. )

 

Earth-shaking fire from the center of the earth.

Will cause the towers around the New City to shake,

Two great rocks for a long time will make war,

And then Arethusa will color a new river red.

 

Century 6, Quatrain 97

(Cinq & quarante degr?s ciel bruslera

Feu approcher de la grand cit? neuue [neufue]

Instant grand flamme esparse sautera

Quand on voudra des Normans faire preuue. )

 

At forty-five degrees, the sky will burn,

Fire approaches the great new city,

Immediately a huge, scattered flame leaps up

When they want to have verification from the Normans.

 

 

Century 9, Quatrain 92

(Le Roy voudra en cit? neufue entrer,

Par ennemis expugner l'on viendra

Captif libere faux dire & perpetrer,

Roy dehors estre, loin d'ennemis tiendra.)

 

The king will want to enter the new city,

Through its enemies they will come to subdue it

Captives liberated to speak and act falsely,

King to be outside, he will keep far from the enemy.

 

 

Century 10, Quatrain 49

(Jardin du monde aupres du cit? neufue,

Dans le chemin des montaignes cauees,

Sera saisi et plong? dans la Cuue,

Beuuant par force eaux soulfre enuenimees.)

 

Garden of the world near the new city,

In the path of the hollow mountains,

It will be seized and plunged into the Vat,

Drinking by force the waters poisoned by sulfur.

 

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>>> hanho 09/12/01 04:59AM >>>

>

> Here is some of Nostradamus's predictions , may be connected to the

> tragedy ?.

>

> 'In the City of God there will be a great thunder, two brothers torn

> apart by chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will

> succumb.", "The third big war will begin when the big city is

> burning.on the 11th day of the 9 month that...two metal birds

> would crash into two tall statues...in the

> new city... and the world will end soon after" '

> * Nostradamus 1654'

 

 

 

Dear All

 

 

Nostradamus lived from 14.10.1503 - 2.7.1566 (born in St Remy de

Provence died at Salon de Provence)

so he couldn't have given this prediction in 1654

 

This 'quote ' is being spread over the Net but nobody seems able to

give the exact source (centuria, quartrain ) exactly

 

 

 

best regards

Hans

 

 

 

 

gjlist-

 

 

 

Your use of is subject to

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/12/01 6:59:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

joshnitai writes:

 

 

> 'In the City of God there will be a great thunder, two brothers torn

> apart by chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will

> succumb.", "The third big war will begin when the big city is

> burning.on the 11th day of the 9 month that...two metal birds

> would crash into two tall statues...in the

> new city... and the world will end soon after" '

> * Nostradamus 1654'

>

 

Dear Chaitanya, this is such a chilling prediction. This infamous day was

Sept. 11, which in American date format are written as 9-11, the same numbers

911 which form the emergency phone number in the USA. If all was seen by

Nostradamus, then can it be argued that this is destined, somehow part of a

larger plan for human evolution that we do not know of? Certainly, NYC will

never be a cold-hearted city any more. There was no looting in this city,

formerly known for such crime. People helped one another, hugged each other,

instinctively realizing that we appear as strangers, on the outside...but we

are all one family, on the inside.

 

Love to all,

Carol

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Om Gurave Namah

--------------------------

Dear Hans,

Do you have the birth data of Nostradamus? I beleive that he worshipped the

Moon and want to see if the Moon is related to the fifth house in some

manner etc...

Best Wishes

Sanjay Rath

-

Hans Hopfgartner <hanho

<gjlist>

Wednesday, September 12, 2001 5:29 PM

Re: [gjlist] Nostradamus predictions connected to the tragedy?

 

 

> >

> > Here is some of Nostradamus's predictions , may be connected to the

> > tragedy ?.

> >

> > 'In the City of God there will be a great thunder, two brothers torn

> > apart by chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will

> > succumb.", "The third big war will begin when the big city is

> > burning.on the 11th day of the 9 month that...two metal birds

> > would crash into two tall statues...in the

> > new city... and the world will end soon after" '

> > * Nostradamus 1654'

>

>

>

> Dear All

>

>

> Nostradamus lived from 14.10.1503 - 2.7.1566 (born in St Remy de

> Provence died at Salon de Provence)

> so he couldn't have given this prediction in 1654

>

> This 'quote ' is being spread over the Net but nobody seems able to

> give the exact source (centuria, quartrain ) exactly

>

>

>

> best regards

> Hans

>

>

>

>

> gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Friends:

 

I find all this Nostradamus mania a pretty sad comment of the state of our

collective minds. These quatrains are so vague that they can mean

anything. Why are do people grasp at these straws instead of doing

astrological analyses? I guess that's why Art Bell is so popular in times

of high anxiety.

 

Chris

 

 

0, you wrote:

>I think the quote you all have is a bit exaggerated. Here is the one that

was going around yesterday:

>

>"A heretic is a man who sees with his own eyes."~~~Gotthold Ephraim Lessing

>

>ready? this from act....

>

>

>-

>"Starfire33" <starfire

><act

>Cc: <act

>Tuesday, September 11, 2001 5:31 PM

>[act] Nostradomias

>

>

>> Anyone familiar with Nostradomas's prophesies?

>> Didn't he say that the 3rd (and last) world war would

>> begin with an attack on the "new city"???

>

>Yes, see here:

>http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/newcity.htm

>

>The New City

>Century 1, Quatrain 24

>(A cit? neuue pensif pour condemner,

>L'oisel de proye au ciel se vient offrir:

>Apres victoire ? captifs pardonner,

>Cremone & Mantoue gras maux aura souffert.)

>

>The new city contemplating a condemnation,

>The bird of prey offers itself to the heavens.

>After victory pardon to the captives,

>Cremona and Mantua will have suffered great evils.

>

>

>Century 1, Quatrain 87

>(Ennosigee feu du centre de terre,

>Fera trembler autour de cit? neuue

>Deux gras rochers long t?ps feront la guerre,

>Puis Arethuse rougira nouueau fleuue. )

>

>Earth-shaking fire from the center of the earth.

>Will cause the towers around the New City to shake,

>Two great rocks for a long time will make war,

>And then Arethusa will color a new river red.

>

> Century 6, Quatrain 97

>(Cinq & quarante degr?s ciel bruslera

>Feu approcher de la grand cit? neuue [neufue]

>Instant grand flamme esparse sautera

>Quand on voudra des Normans faire preuue. )

>

>At forty-five degrees, the sky will burn,

>Fire approaches the great new city,

>Immediately a huge, scattered flame leaps up

>When they want to have verification from the Normans.

>

>

>Century 9, Quatrain 92

>(Le Roy voudra en cit? neufue entrer,

>Par ennemis expugner l'on viendra

>Captif libere faux dire & perpetrer,

>Roy dehors estre, loin d'ennemis tiendra.)

>

>The king will want to enter the new city,

>Through its enemies they will come to subdue it

>Captives liberated to speak and act falsely,

>King to be outside, he will keep far from the enemy.

>

>

>Century 10, Quatrain 49

>(Jardin du monde aupres du cit? neufue,

>Dans le chemin des montaignes cauees,

>Sera saisi et plong? dans la Cuue,

>Beuuant par force eaux soulfre enuenimees.)

>

>Garden of the world near the new city,

>In the path of the hollow mountains,

>It will be seized and plunged into the Vat,

>Drinking by force the waters poisoned by sulfur.

>

>Check out our COMMUNITY SITE for charts, message boards, chat, and an area

to publish articles.

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>>>> hanho 09/12/01 04:59AM >>>

> >

>> Here is some of Nostradamus's predictions , may be connected to the

>> tragedy ?.

>>

>> 'In the City of God there will be a great thunder, two brothers torn

>> apart by chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will

>> succumb.", "The third big war will begin when the big city is

>> burning.on the 11th day of the 9 month that...two metal birds

>> would crash into two tall statues...in the

>> new city... and the world will end soon after" '

>> * Nostradamus 1654'

>

>

>

>Dear All

>

>

>Nostradamus lived from 14.10.1503 - 2.7.1566 (born in St Remy de

>Provence died at Salon de Provence)

>so he couldn't have given this prediction in 1654

>

>This 'quote ' is being spread over the Net but nobody seems able to

>give the exact source (centuria, quartrain ) exactly

>

>

>

>best regards

>Hans

>

>

>

>

>gjlist-

>

>

>

>Your use of is subject to

>

>

>

>

>gjlist-

>

>

>

>Your use of is subject to

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

i'm not sure if this snippet is relevant, but i have just heard on the bbc

news that two brothers possibly from saudi or egypt, were part of the hijack

team one having been trained to pilot the plane.......having just read the

nostradamus piece, which mentions two brothers.......??

 

in peace

stavavali devi dasi

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> Dear Hans,

> Do you have the birth data of Nostradamus? I beleive that he

worshipped the

> Moon and want to see if the Moon is related to the fifth house in

some

> manner etc...

 

 

Dear Sanjay

 

Cum grano salis:

 

 

 

Birthdate of Nostradamus (source: Dr Max de Fontbrune //

time: http://www.astralpoursuite.net/de/nostradamus.php4)

 

14.12.1503 (Julian Calendar)

St Remy de Provence

 

 

Western Chart:

 

http://www.astralpoursuite.net/de/nostradamus.php4

 

 

ASC: 14 pisces

MC: 22 sagittarius

 

sun: 2 Capricorn

moon: 16 Scorpio

mercury: 4 Capricorn

venus: 2 Aquarius

mars: 19 Cancer

jupiter: 11 Cancer

saturn 15 Cancer

rahu: 29 Pisces

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear sisters and brothers,

 

Please give the Source of Nostradamus prediction. Secondly why that was not

seen or analysed before the event ?

 

Love

 

Ravinder GRover

-

Hans Hopfgartner <hanho

<gjlist>

Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:59 PM

Re: [gjlist] Nostradamus predictions connected to the tragedy?

 

 

> >

> > Here is some of Nostradamus's predictions , may be connected to the

> > tragedy ?.

> >

> > 'In the City of God there will be a great thunder, two brothers torn

> > apart by chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will

> > succumb.", "The third big war will begin when the big city is

> > burning.on the 11th day of the 9 month that...two metal birds

> > would crash into two tall statues...in the

> > new city... and the world will end soon after" '

> > * Nostradamus 1654'

>

>

>

> Dear All

>

>

> Nostradamus lived from 14.10.1503 - 2.7.1566 (born in St Remy de

> Provence died at Salon de Provence)

> so he couldn't have given this prediction in 1654

>

> This 'quote ' is being spread over the Net but nobody seems able to

> give the exact source (centuria, quartrain ) exactly

>

>

>

> best regards

> Hans

>

>

>

>

> gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 13/09/01 09:20:15 GMT Daylight Time,

joshnitai writes:

 

 

> http://web.tusco.net/newone/chapter1.htm

>

>

HARE KRISHNA

i went to this link, but found it to have been terminated?

stavavali d.d.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear :

 

 

You said Secondly why that was not

seen or analysed before the event ? I think because of the illusion

of maya that makes all of us focus more on material prosperity ,

disregarding Dharma , in the other hand we need a long preparation

before we understand the true meaning of the Shastras . and only few

are ready for such a commitment.

 

Please go to the following ,

http://web.tusco.net/newone/chapter1.htm

 

best wishes

 

Hare Ram Krishna

 

 

 

 

 

 

gjlist, "Ravinder Grover" <astrology@c...> wrote:

> Dear sisters and brothers,

>

> Please give the Source of Nostradamus prediction. Secondly why

that was not

> seen or analysed before the event ?

>

> Love

>

> Ravinder GRover

> -

> Hans Hopfgartner <hanho@c...>

> <gjlist>

> Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:59 PM

> Re: [gjlist] Nostradamus predictions connected to the

tragedy?

>

>

> > >

> > > Here is some of Nostradamus's predictions , may be connected to

the

> > > tragedy ?.

> > >

> > > 'In the City of God there will be a great thunder, two brothers

torn

> > > apart by chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader

will

> > > succumb.", "The third big war will begin when the big city is

> > > burning.on the 11th day of the 9 month that...two metal birds

> > > would crash into two tall statues...in the

> > > new city... and the world will end soon after" '

> > > * Nostradamus 1654'

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear All

> >

> >

> > Nostradamus lived from 14.10.1503 - 2.7.1566 (born in St Remy de

> > Provence died at Salon de Provence)

> > so he couldn't have given this prediction in 1654

> >

> > This 'quote ' is being spread over the Net but nobody seems able

to

> > give the exact source (centuria, quartrain ) exactly

> >

> >

> >

> > best regards

> > Hans

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > gjlist-

> >

> >

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

 

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Pranams:

 

Dear prabhu: try later, I also try to verify and the page is not

available.

 

Hare Ram Krishna

 

Chaitanya S. das

 

 

 

 

 

 

gjlist, stavavali108@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 13/09/01 09:20:15 GMT Daylight Time,

> joshnitai@n... writes:

>

>

> > http://web.tusco.net/newone/chapter1.htm

> >

> >

> HARE KRISHNA

> i went to this link, but found it to have been terminated?

> stavavali d.d.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ladies and Gentlemen,

 

The paragraph attributed to Nostradamus is a hoax. Please visit the

following link and see for yourselves:

 

http://www.nostradamus-repository.org/

 

gjlist, Carolhook@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 9/12/01 6:59:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> joshnitai@n... writes:

>

>

> > 'In the City of God there will be a great thunder, two brothers

torn

> > apart by chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will

> > succumb.", "The third big war will begin when the big city is

> > burning.on the 11th day of the 9 month that...two metal birds

> > would crash into two tall statues...in the

> > new city... and the world will end soon after" '

> > * Nostradamus 1654'

> >

>

> Dear Chaitanya, this is such a chilling prediction. This infamous

day was

> Sept. 11, which in American date format are written as 9-11, the

same numbers

> 911 which form the emergency phone number in the USA. If all was

seen by

> Nostradamus, then can it be argued that this is destined, somehow

part of a

> larger plan for human evolution that we do not know of? Certainly,

NYC will

> never be a cold-hearted city any more. There was no looting in

this city,

> formerly known for such crime. People helped one another, hugged

each other,

> instinctively realizing that we appear as strangers, on the

outside...but we

> are all one family, on the inside.

>

> Love to all,

> Carol

>

>

>