Mani-karma

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Dear brother Mani.

 

<<But fortunately some of us do think!>>

 

Yes, i know, that is why you make trouble.

 

> Can you mention any other alternative to correct a rascal like me?

 

Yes! A sound thrashing on the bare bottom, followed by a kiss! I have suffered

much, but never accepted that it was because of past sins. I accept my trials as

necessary experiences: the true me is sitting on a branch above, the shadow me

is jumping around below and gathering the experiences.

 

Thanks for you answer and alternative. I will tell Yama about it next time i

meet him.

 

The vedas say that there are 2 birds sitting on a branch (the soul and

Supersoul) of a tree. One bird is eating the fruit of the tree (the soul

experimenting) while the other is just observing (the supersoul that has nothing

to do with this illusion).

 

<<I a an advaitist.>>

 

I know that very well. In my notebook i read the definition:

 

advaitist. Beware of them. They can change your path if you are not rooted in

yours. Nevertheless, nice guys.

 

<<I am not really separate from the Great Mother. She is only teaching me. It is

She who acts and suffers, I see it as an observer.>>

 

My path is to follow Lord Krishna and his real servants. One day i visited in

London a lady medium to Mother. After giving me some benedictions and

predictions Mother said to me "How can i serve you". Knowing that she is my

Great mother and that she is the faithful servant of the Lord, i said to her "I

do not want your service, i want to serve you".

 

<< The only real sin is in seeing evil in Her and Her deeds!>>

 

My school told me that i am the sinner, i do not blame anybody but me.

 

<< The next sin is in treating on´s fellow beings without love.>>

 

I agree with you. What is the goal of following austerities and rules if we do

not develop love for others?

Are the rules and regulations more important than love?

 

Lots of love

Natabara

 

 

 

 

 

 

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natabara wrote:

> Dear brother Mani.

 

 

 

> The vedas say that there are 2 birds sitting on a branch (the soul and

> Supersoul) of a tree. One bird is eating the fruit of the tree (the soul

> experimenting) while the other is just observing (the supersoul that has

> nothing to do with this illusion).

>

> <<I a an advaitist.>>

>

> I know that very well. In my notebook i read the definition:

>

> advaitist. Beware of them. They can change your path if you are not rooted

> in yours. Nevertheless, nice guys.

 

Caro Hermano y Amigo!

 

It is nice to see that you are struggling to get your pace back, answering mail

that is weeks old! i too am doing the same. You had a stroke, but I was dying in

stages since June last year and my recovery started only last month. I know how

hard it is to do anything at all, if your pencil falls down it is a conscious

effort to bend down and pick it up again!

 

Yes, it was to the 2 birds in the vedas that I was referring to, am trying to

identify myself with the upper bird and not be too involved in the lower one!

 

Who wrote your notebook? Adi-Shankara did change the paths of many! Ramanuja

invented the Visishta-advaita - the restricted dvaita - NOT as contradicting

shankara, but as a better human approach to finally achieve the true advaita

level, which is just too abstract for daily life. No matter how much I talk of

the Mother, or KV raves about her, we will not tak your beloved Krishna away

from you! For KV and me Krishna was the Mother

>

> My path is to follow Lord Krishna and his real servants. One day i visited

> in London a lady medium to Mother. After giving me some benedictions and

> predictions Mother said to me "How can i serve you". Knowing that she is my

> Great mother and that she is the faithful servant of the Lord,

 

Do you KNOW this or is it your opinion? The Mother as Meera or Amma is a

sort of servant, but the GREAT MOTHER is Krishna and Vishnu and Siva etc.

herself, IMHO. This question, "how can I serve you?" is almost the same as what

Krishna says in the Gita, "I am the servant of my devotee!"

 

> said to her

> "I do not want your service, i want to serve you".

 

 

I would have added, "I want your company and love!"

 

>

> << The only real sin is in seeing evil in Her and Her deeds!>>

>

> My school told me that i am the sinner, i do not blame anybody but me.

 

I have stopped thinking in terms of sin and punishment. For some time now I am

having a lot to do with the kids in my village - lot is exaggerated, an hour or

so each day. My eyes are opening more and more. Sometimes m shocked, sometimes

disappointed, sometimes sad, sometimes glad and pleasantly surprised. Terms like

sin seem clear in philosophical discussions, but in real life it is all so

different!

 

Children get raped. Rishis also committed rape and seduction. Many ancient

heroes were illegitimate children. Sin is a feature of the society. Rules are

laid down and breaking them becomes sin. It is the restriction that creates the

revolt. As Simone de Beauvoire said, "the poison is often not in the bitter

pill, but in the sugar coating!" In polynesian societies sex was totally free,

only incest was prohibited. But since sex was free and openly accepted, there

were no rapes. If a man wanted to sleep with a particular female he just asked

her politely if she would do so. Unless she found him disgusting she did it and

that was that! And if refused, the man could always get a substitute to satisfy

him.

 

>I have had a similar experience on the mountains of mexico on 27 June 1970. I

have been here for many lives and been living in huts or houses. That does not

bother me. I only want to help the others around me. As long as i see people

around me, i want to be a part of their activities, if they need food, i want to

help them to work the land. I want to suffer and enjoy with them. If they are

>here, so i am.

 

You have seen some of your past lives, but with your PRESENT understanding. That

does not mean you have understood everything. The Apocalypse vision of St.

james was a look into the future, he desribes various things like army tanks,

radios, robots, credit cards etc. but did not understand any of it! Even the

statement that the world would be "ruled" by the number of the beast, which is

666. The bar code on all the articles we purchase consist of the following

sequence: 6 ?????????? 6 ??????????? 6. All internet addresses begin with www

= the hebrew number 666!

 

I once shared my most wonderful vision with all the list members. I do it again,

for you specially.

 

In 1983 I was in Maine. Landed in Boston, was picked up and taken to Auburn. It

was winter. Suddenly in the car my temperature started rising. The snow-covered

landscape was soehow familiar.... Arrived at Auburn, all I could do was to get

out and sink on the couch, in high fever. My doctor nephew gave me something to

bring the fever down. During the next 10 minutes or so I had a vision.

 

1. I was a white citizen in a village. The Indians attacked us. I had "hidden"

all the women and children in a barn and hoped it would not be attacked. It

almost worked, but suddenly one Indian came, I tried to beg for mercy for the

women and kids, he only cried out "paleface die!", stabbed me and soon all those

I tried to protect were killed.

 

2. I was an Indian brave. We were attacking a white settlement. One of my

companions was about to kill a woman. I tried to stop him, saying we should not

kill the women or children. He killed me and the massacre went on.

 

3. I was white again. It was a mission station. There were a few whites, but

many Indians, mostly women and children. We were attacked by thw whites! Once

more all women and kids were in the schoolhouse - also church! - and the drunken

attackers showed no mercy. A big guy shouted out something nasty about "filthy

Indians", and tol me to get out of the way. I refused and he came at me with

his bayonet.........

 

In the vision somehow I knew that my killer was ALWAYS THE SAME PERSON! I

shouted out"Why do you thwart me every time I try to save lives?"

 

The guy vanished, in his place was a wonderfully beautiful very very young

woman, a girl of under twenty. I was a boy of about eight years. She laughed and

said, "Can´t you recognize me? Have you forgotten that we are playing a game?..

Come let´s dance!" She took my hand cross-wise and we swirled around. Higher and

higher, through the universe. Wonderful colours, unimaginably beautiful lights -

and frightful dark spots. At the dark spots she just smiled at me and said

"Don´t worry, you won´t be hurt!"

 

It was so wonderful I ruined it by asking, "Mom, can I stay with you and dance

with you forever?"

 

Immediately we were back on earth, she said "When the game is over we can dance,

but now you have to go back!", gave me a kiss and I was awake - the fever was

totally gone.

 

I cannot say that these lives were really my own, perhaps only a lesson. But the

lesson was clear. And that should explain my philosophy, which is not always

orthodox. Also why I love my MOM, she was so beautiful and so charming and so

full of FUN!

 

> Are the rules and regulations more important than love?

 

 

NEVER!

 

love,

Mani

 

P?S: I recently wrote that during all these last months I needed concrete help,

not just expressions of love. This is and was a fact, but the expressions of

love and care were not wasted. They gave me, I´m sure, a great deal of subtle

support. It was a struggle between mind and matter, so to speak. The thoughts

could not cook a meal for me, but they kept me alive, trying to find a solution.

 

SO THANKS TO ALL OF YOU FOR HAVING SUSTAINED ME ESOTERICALLY!