Guest guest Posted September 7, 2001 Report Share Posted September 7, 2001 Yes, I was just musing. That was a story made up obviously, about how futile it would be to try to save the president even if you could see it in advance, because it will happen. So, if you try, the thing that will protect the play is the ignorance you encounter. The ignorance in this world is part of what is in our karmas. Seeing people's charts as they are, we can summize that ignorance will continue on in all of us to differing degrees, meaning it will be on Earth. This protects the play of the illusion. It's a strange loop to ponder- seeing something in the future, feeling it is highly likely based on revealed science, ie, Jyotish, yet knowing that you cannot alter that course, and yet feeling that you are a separately thinking and acting individual- ie, someone who can think, feel, will and act independently. So this paradox is hard to ponder. It loops in on itself. We cannot hold independence as reality along with fore-knowledge of predetermined definite eventualities. So we walk in paradox, us astrologers. I guess I was musing about our funny paradoxical life, which astrologers better than others have some entrance into perceiving with me. Mani's right that this is the stuff of the Gita. All is preset, unfolding, a single system, parts within controlled by the whole, unfolding, in a predictable pattern. Yet, the experiencing living spark, the witness, the soul, the consciousness in your head, doesn't KNOW the script. So, it realizes it only as it unfolds. All of your motivations, and all of your preferences, all preset by what unfolds before them, springing forth from your causal center, like the rest of you, you are a karmic set, and so shall you choose, experience, unfold. You think you're choosing, but that is all so set by your body, which comes from all that came before it, in logical unfoldment of bodies in matter, yet you are all separate conscious sparks. Foreknowledge is a great burden on a materially based human mind. It pops various illusions. Arjuna witnessed it in the Universal Form vision Krishna gave him in the Gita. Krishna revealed the outcome of the war in advance, and claimed credit for it more or less, thus letting Arjuna know he was but a puppet, instrument, etc. The Gita is laden with this paradox. This paradox is what we have to make peace with if on the Hindu types of paths. Spirit and Matter. Matter has it's set ways, it's set pattern of life, part of which is ugly, before spirit. Spirit has no ugliness, but is having trouble ruling, taking over, commanding matter fully. The tear of living as one in the other we face. -- Das Goravani 2852 Willamette St # 353 Eugene OR USA 97405 or Fax: 541-343-0344 "Goravani Jyotish" Vedic/Hindu Astrology Software Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2001 Report Share Posted September 7, 2001 Om Gurave Namah -------------------------- Dear Raghu, Are you absolutely convinced about the chart of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu as being of Simha Lagna? Best Wishes Sanjay Rath - Das Goravani <> <gjlist> Saturday, September 08, 2001 6:01 AM [gjlist] Musing the paradox again > > Yes, I was just musing. That was a story made up obviously, about how > futile it would be to try to save the president even if you could see it > in advance, because it will happen. So, if you try, the thing that will > protect the play is the ignorance you encounter. The ignorance in this > world is part of what is in our karmas. Seeing people's charts as they > are, we can summize that ignorance will continue on in all of us to > differing degrees, meaning it will be on Earth. This protects the play > of the illusion. > > It's a strange loop to ponder- seeing something in the future, feeling > it is highly likely based on revealed science, ie, Jyotish, yet knowing > that you cannot alter that course, and yet feeling that you are a > separately thinking and acting individual- ie, someone who can think, > feel, will and act independently. So this paradox is hard to ponder. It > loops in on itself. We cannot hold independence as reality along with > fore-knowledge of predetermined definite eventualities. So we walk in > paradox, us astrologers. > > I guess I was musing about our funny paradoxical life, which astrologers > better than others have some entrance into perceiving with me. > > Mani's right that this is the stuff of the Gita. All is preset, > unfolding, a single system, parts within controlled by the whole, > unfolding, in a predictable pattern. Yet, the experiencing living spark, > the witness, the soul, the consciousness in your head, doesn't KNOW the > script. So, it realizes it only as it unfolds. All of your motivations, > and all of your preferences, all preset by what unfolds before them, > springing forth from your causal center, like the rest of you, you are a > karmic set, and so shall you choose, experience, unfold. You think > you're choosing, but that is all so set by your body, which comes from > all that came before it, in logical unfoldment of bodies in matter, yet > you are all separate conscious sparks. > > Foreknowledge is a great burden on a materially based human mind. It > pops various illusions. Arjuna witnessed it in the Universal Form vision > Krishna gave him in the Gita. Krishna revealed the outcome of the war in > advance, and claimed credit for it more or less, thus letting Arjuna > know he was but a puppet, instrument, etc. > > The Gita is laden with this paradox. This paradox is what we have to > make peace with if on the Hindu types of paths. Spirit and Matter. > Matter has it's set ways, it's set pattern of life, part of which is > ugly, before spirit. Spirit has no ugliness, but is having trouble > ruling, taking over, commanding matter fully. The tear of living as one > in the other we face. > > > > > -- > > > Das Goravani > > > > > > > 2852 Willamette St # 353 > Eugene OR USA 97405 > > or > Fax: 541-343-0344 > > "Goravani Jyotish" > Vedic/Hindu Astrology Software > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2001 Report Share Posted September 7, 2001 Om Gurave Namah -------------------------- Dear Raghu, Talking of predetermined course of life. The question asked is "If everything is in the hands of Bhagavan, then why did Krishna take the trouble of teaching the Gita to Arjuna and urging him to battle whereas He could have simply done the same thins? Actually here we come to the concept of Upachaya Rasi. This is an important concept. The four houses 3,6,10 & 11 are houses that are controlled by the native in matters concerning Karma related to present life. thus, all beings have about 33% free will to live with. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath - Das Goravani <> <gjlist> Saturday, September 08, 2001 6:01 AM [gjlist] Musing the paradox again > > Yes, I was just musing. That was a story made up obviously, about how > futile it would be to try to save the president even if you could see it > in advance, because it will happen. So, if you try, the thing that will > protect the play is the ignorance you encounter. The ignorance in this > world is part of what is in our karmas. Seeing people's charts as they > are, we can summize that ignorance will continue on in all of us to > differing degrees, meaning it will be on Earth. This protects the play > of the illusion. > > It's a strange loop to ponder- seeing something in the future, feeling > it is highly likely based on revealed science, ie, Jyotish, yet knowing > that you cannot alter that course, and yet feeling that you are a > separately thinking and acting individual- ie, someone who can think, > feel, will and act independently. So this paradox is hard to ponder. It > loops in on itself. We cannot hold independence as reality along with > fore-knowledge of predetermined definite eventualities. So we walk in > paradox, us astrologers. > > I guess I was musing about our funny paradoxical life, which astrologers > better than others have some entrance into perceiving with me. > > Mani's right that this is the stuff of the Gita. All is preset, > unfolding, a single system, parts within controlled by the whole, > unfolding, in a predictable pattern. Yet, the experiencing living spark, > the witness, the soul, the consciousness in your head, doesn't KNOW the > script. So, it realizes it only as it unfolds. All of your motivations, > and all of your preferences, all preset by what unfolds before them, > springing forth from your causal center, like the rest of you, you are a > karmic set, and so shall you choose, experience, unfold. You think > you're choosing, but that is all so set by your body, which comes from > all that came before it, in logical unfoldment of bodies in matter, yet > you are all separate conscious sparks. > > Foreknowledge is a great burden on a materially based human mind. It > pops various illusions. Arjuna witnessed it in the Universal Form vision > Krishna gave him in the Gita. Krishna revealed the outcome of the war in > advance, and claimed credit for it more or less, thus letting Arjuna > know he was but a puppet, instrument, etc. > > The Gita is laden with this paradox. This paradox is what we have to > make peace with if on the Hindu types of paths. Spirit and Matter. > Matter has it's set ways, it's set pattern of life, part of which is > ugly, before spirit. Spirit has no ugliness, but is having trouble > ruling, taking over, commanding matter fully. The tear of living as one > in the other we face. > > > > > -- > > > Das Goravani > > > > > > > 2852 Willamette St # 353 > Eugene OR USA 97405 > > or > Fax: 541-343-0344 > > "Goravani Jyotish" > Vedic/Hindu Astrology Software > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2001 Report Share Posted September 8, 2001 Das Wrote: >>Foreknowledge is a great burden on a materially based human mind.<< Even the enlightened can find it a burden. Christ had foreknowledge of his destiny and wept in the garden of Gethsemane; " Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me...." >>The Gita is laden with this paradox. This paradox is what we have to make peace with if on the Hindu types of paths.<< When Pilate told Christ he had the power to crucify him and the power to release him; Christ answered that he (Pilate) had no power at all against him except what was given from above...Christ knew it was his destiny to be crucified and it was Pilate's destiny to crucify him. If we look closely we'll find the same truth being expressed by Krshna, Buddha and Christ. All faiths have the "one truth" as their foundation. As astrologers we're greatly blessed, greatly privileged to be given the opportunity to see (hopefully understand) this great truth, this supreme dichotomy...separation of mind (illusion) from self (being)...mind believes itself the architect, the doer, and is totally unaware of the thinker behind the thought, the supreme architect...the Self, the Father, the Krshna, the Christ! As astrologers we perhaps have more opportunity to see beyond this illusion than most...we probably also have more opportunity to cater to the mind's sense of superiority...forever on the edge perhaps, until final liberation. No matter how much we think we understand (intellectually) we all still wish for better things when we're caught in the grip of difficult karma, we all look for help, advice, comfort and even remedies when we're suffering...this is human nature! Arjuna faced the same dilemma as we all face. Even those who (through ignorance) denounce jyotish as a science are simply being led by their own karma...what the say is what they know, when they know better they'll say better. With his last breaths Christ pleaded on behalf of his crucifiers; "Forgive them father, for the know not what they do". This spirit of forgiveness is preferable than condemning our detractors to be born blind Rgds, Wendy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2001 Report Share Posted September 8, 2001 Dare I? Hi Wendy Thanks for reminding me about the Christ in Garden correlation. It's good to know I'm in dieing company. Seems death is that issue which makes us life loving fore knowing benefics out of control god freaks really get upset at our old man, known what I mean? I mean, we can handle his total dominion over all that be up and until it comes to crunching our little raisin here. I hate it when that happens. It can ruin your whole day. That's why he said "take this one back dude". Since I turned 40, I keep saying, that I hope he has body guards, because when this stinking celtic load makes it back to that place, I'm gonna wanna give him a Glascow kiss, if you know what I mean mate. Hey people, I can do this. I love Him, even with his overconfident deserved sneer, which I hate. Ahhhhhhhhhhhh. In all seriousness, yes, you come face to face with reality, and our first impulse is to cower. It's gonna hurt. But overcoming that is moving in the garden for real. Once knowing, getting up again, is bliss. Or so I'm telling myself. And this brother is ok, today. with love, -- Das Goravani 2852 Willamette St # 353 Eugene OR USA 97405 or Fax: 541-343-0344 "Goravani Jyotish" Vedic/Hindu Astrology Software Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2001 Report Share Posted September 8, 2001 Dear Das, You brought a much, much needed smile to my face...correct that, it actually brought a hearty laugh! The body's giving me a hard time and the humour is good medicine...:-) Love, Wendy >>It can ruin your whole day. That's why he said "take this one back dude".<< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2001 Report Share Posted September 8, 2001 I am so relieved that you saw the humor. So relieved. Whoa. I put myself out on a limb, and I hope it's worth it when I do. I now know it was, clearly. To make you laugh is an end in itself to me. Peace sister, -- Das Goravani 2852 Willamette St # 353 Eugene OR USA 97405 or Fax: 541-343-0344 "Goravani Jyotish" Vedic/Hindu Astrology Software Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted March 21, 2002 Report Share Posted March 21, 2002 love, alexandra interesting life to choose to know what we know...happy holidays all Wendy Vasicek <wenvas (AT) dingoblue (DOT) net.au> wrote: Das Wrote:>>Foreknowledge is a great burden on a materially based human mind.<< Even the enlightened can find it a burden. Christ had foreknowledge of his destiny and wept in the garden of Gethsemane; " Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me....">>The Gita is laden with this paradox. This paradox is what we have tomake peace with if on the Hindu types of paths.<<When Pilate told Christ he had the power to crucify him and the power to release him; Christ answered that he (Pilate) had no power at all against him except what was given from above...Christ knew it was his destiny to be crucified and it was Pilate's destiny to crucify him.If we look closely we'll find the same truth being expressed by Krshna, Buddha and Christ. All faiths have the "one truth" as their foundation. As astrologers we're greatly blessed, greatly privileged to be given the opportunity to see (hopefully understand) this great truth, this supreme dichotomy...separation of mind (illusion) from self (being)...mind believes itself the architect, the doer, and is totally unaware of the thinker behind the thought, the supreme architect...the Self, the Father, the Krshna, the Christ!As astrologers we perhaps have more opportunity to see beyond this illusion than most...we probably also have more opportunity to cater to the mind's sense of superiority...forever on the edge perhaps, until final liberation.No matter how much we think we understand (intellectually) we all still wish for better things when we're caught in the grip of difficult karma, we all look for help, advice, comfort and even remedies when we're suffering...this is human nature! Arjuna faced the same dilemma as we all face.Even those who (through ignorance) denounce jyotish as a science are simply being led by their own karma...what the say is what they know, when they know better they'll say better. With his last breaths Christ pleaded on behalf of his crucifiers; "Forgive them father, for the know not what they do". This spirit of forgiveness is preferable than condemning our detractors to be born blindRgds, Wendy To from this group, send an email to:gjlist-Your use of is subject to File your taxes online! Canada Tax Centre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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