Guest guest Posted August 23, 2001 Report Share Posted August 23, 2001 Thanks a lot, Patrice and Wendy for your data. These charts are very interesting and there is just one astonishing similarity with Susan`s horoscope. I`ll tell you more about this later after having examined them exactly. (I`ll now retire....) I ask you all to give more data of deaf or nearly deaf persons on the list, I think we`ll need about 50-100 charts before we can be more sure. Please write some short description, like "complete deafness" or "only left" for example and note the duration of this disease too. Kind regards, Ilona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2001 Report Share Posted August 24, 2001 Dear Wendy, My experience seems to support yours- due to medication I was given, my hearing (right ear in particular) is (slightly) impaired: Saturn in 3rd, lord merc. in 6th (cancer lagna)- when that happened I was in Venus major(did that "save" me from deafness?). Since it's "medically caused" impairment (typical example "when the cure is worse than disease"), I am wondering what signs one should look at for "attracting" "damaging" medical help. (By the way, I've never trusted fully any doc's advise, not even those from friends- Since I am still alive, it obviously work for me: if something doesn't feel good to me, doesn't "match" my inner feeling about any problem- I don't proceed with treatment. But that's a curious issue: my son, with Neptune close to ascendant, from 12th (trop), had obviously somehow "attracted" (otherwise excellent surgeon- who did 2 operations of my son's smashed arm, making it fully functional, with "hardware", though) a Doc, who "liked him so much" that he wanted to save him from ANY pain with huge doses of MORPHINE- (My son has been obsessed with that experience). Not before I intervened, did that stop: and it appeared, of course, that the pain WAS NOT that intolerable... Was he meant to meet this experience?-most likely. Why didn't I react earlier, since it is completely out of "sync" with everything I know and believe in? I don't know!!! Like "something" prevented me from my normal reaction? Thank you for information and valuable contributions. Regards, Anna - Wendy Vasicek gjlist Wednesday, August 22, 2001 6:32 PM Re: [gjlist] Medical Quiz-Deafness A couple for you Ilona. Male 29 Oct 1965 10.01 AM Warrnambool, Australia (this native has had chronic, irreversible ear (hearing) problems from childhood...specialists tell him that complete deafness is a possibility) Male 29 June 1948 Que Que, Zimbabwe 8.52 AM (this native is completely deaf in left ear from age 21...also in ME bhukti / VE dasa this native lost a finger) Rgds, Wendy >>>Dear listmembers, would you please put all your charts about deafness on the list ? Thanks Ilona<<< gjlist- Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2001 Report Share Posted August 25, 2001 Dear Anna, Revisiting my old notes I see that (in relation to physiology/disease) Jupiter governs "ears" and, if I'm not mistaken, 6th lord Jupiter aspects both lagna and lagnesh Moon in your horoscope. You say that you were in Venus dasa at time of medically induced hearing problem...note Venus is in 6th house of disease, medical problems, medical profession... and it's lord Jupiter (governing ears) is aspecting Asc, etc... In regards to your comments regarding strong painkillers (morphine) for your son. I can only give you my thoughts on this. For myself there have been times when I've endured agonising pain and I've thanked God for the morphine injections that have lessoned that agony, but (fortunately for me) as soon as the acute medical condition had subsided and there was no longer the pain, there was also (for me) no longer any need or desire for more morphine. However that is not the case with everyone and, because of that, doctors today are hesitant to prescribe strong painkillers. I see in your son's chart he has Rahu in 12th house...indicating that there may be the potential to be drawn towards such intoxicating substances as morphine, etc... It will be a great day when our doctors are also astrologers and can prescribe in accordance with their patients inherent susceptibility to particular treatments. Best Wishes, Wendy You Wrote: Dear Wendy, My experience seems to support yours- due to medication I was given, my hearing (right ear in particular) is (slightly) impaired: Saturn in 3rd, lord merc. in 6th (cancer lagna)- when that happened I was in Venus major(did that "save" me from deafness?). Since it's "medically caused" impairment (typical example "when the cure is worse than disease"), I am wondering what signs one should look at for "attracting" "damaging" medical help. (By the way, I've never trusted fully any doc's advise, not even those from friends- Since I am still alive, it obviously work for me: if something doesn't feel good to me, doesn't "match" my inner feeling about any problem- I don't proceed with treatment. But that's a curious issue: my son, with Neptune close to ascendant, from 12th (trop), had obviously somehow "attracted" (otherwise excellent surgeon- who did 2 operations of my son's smashed arm, making it fully functional, with "hardware", though) a Doc, who "liked him so much" that he wanted to save him from ANY pain with huge doses of MORPHINE- (My son has been obsessed with that experience). Not before I intervened, did that stop: and it appeared, of course, that the pain WAS NOT that intolerable... Was he meant to meet this experience?-most likely. Why didn't I react earlier, since it is completely out of "sync" with everything I know and believe in? I don't know!!! Like "something" prevented me from my normal reaction? Thank you for information and valuable contributions. Regards, Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2001 Report Share Posted August 25, 2001 Hi Anna, It occurred to me that it might be a bit puzzling how 9th lord Jupiter (in 9th) could be harmful in any way...My notes tell me that; "Organs governed by the planet can be diseased or sickness may occur if the planet is weak, "afflicted", or in Dusthana." In Rashi Jupiter is neither weak (in own sign) nor in Dusthana. However he is "afflicted" by aspect from 8th lord Saturn and also by being in nakshatra of Saturn himself...so that "ears" ruled by Jupiter can be harmed due to this affliction. Looking again at the chart put up by Ilona (Susan) it becomes even more evident that this native was deaf from birth considering the affliction of Jupiter in lagna (birth)...again, Jupiter is in nakshatra of malefic Saturn and is aspected by functional malefic Mercury, whilst his dispositor lagnesh Mars is in Dusthana (8th)... In David LaGrone's chart (again) Jupiter is in nakshatra of malefic Saturn and is in Dusthana (albeit own sign). In chart # 1. Male 1965 (I put up), the native has Jupiter weak in sign of bitter enemy and afflicted by 8th lord Moon. In chart # 2. Male 1948, Jupiter is aspected by Mars...I'm aware that Mars is yogakaraka for this native, but Mars is none-the-less a malefic planet and is the dispositor of 8th lord Rahu. The total deafness to ear was caused by burst mastoid and the native was in Jupiter bhukti at the time. The question of whether 2nd or 3rd houses govern ears now has a bit of a question mark for me...I'll remain open-minded until I'm completely convinced one way or the other. I know Braha allocates ears to 3rd but, as there are a couple of other things I disagree with him on, I just can't blindly accept that he's correct with this. Rgds, Wendy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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