Do remedial measures really work? Help?/Beau

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In a message dated 8/8/01 7:49:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

ckevill writes:

 

<< Thanks so much for letting us in on your experience. Perhaps you should

try a Rahu, Saturn or Jupiter gem next, since those planets seem to be in

better shape in your horoscope. Let experimentation, rather than a single

opinion, be your guide!

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What about those nine stone bracelets? Would that bring more balance

possibly in the energies?

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In a message dated 8/8/01 8:39:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

ckevill writes:

 

<< Also you might try a gem for your Sun since it's lagnesh in the 4th

unafflicted. It also picks up a near exact degree conjunction with

navamsha Jupiter. Very nice.

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So you want stones for the placements that are not as afflicted as others

rather than placements that are weak and debilitated? <sniffle>

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Dear Beau:

 

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>Even before studying jyotiSa, I have used mantrams in the past and present,

>like the gAyatrI, and from my experience they produce noticeable changes in

>perception and the quality of the energetic environment. I have had a range

>from subtle to very direct effects from mantrams. I feel both the

>meditative state chanting can induce as well as the sound combinations

>themselves contribute to these effects. However, for me, there has also

>been clear evidence that mantrams can invoke actual energy patterns that can

>be physically felt. Recently, reciting the bijaM mantram for bRhaspati had

>a definite effect for me. I think 'cooperation' between the mantram and the

>chanter, in terms of desire, openness, and the chanter's

>mental/emotional/physical state, as well as the actual energy encoded in a

>mantram create various synergies for people. Anyway, that's my experience

>with mantrams in brief. :-)

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Thank you for posting your experiences. I am very interested to know what

the different experiences are with remedial measures. May I ask you

exactly which bija mantra for Bhraspati you chanted? There seems to be a

large number of mantras and variations thereof to choose from. Also, how

many times did you you chant?

 

>The emerald was prescribed for budha being closely hemmed by ketu and kuja

>in the 5th.

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>I then went through the steps of acquiring an emerald from a gemmologist

>recommended by the jyotiSi. Emeralds, especially jyotiSa quality are not

>inexpensive, so I hope you can see I'm seriously testing the advice given to

>me. (I'm somewhat embarrassed because this expenditure seems ostentatious

>from some perspectives and I am a modest person. It also placed a burden on

>me financially, however, I really wanted to see if it would be remedial so I

>went for it.) I expected the results from wearing the gem to be subtle

>and/or pleasant. I had the exact opposite occur. A few seconds after

>wearing the gem I began to feel physically uncomfortable; two minutes later

>I became so ill I had to remove it.

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>I wrote the jyotiSi, detailing the circumstances, and the brief response was

>to try another emerald. I have done so (through a memo program at no cost,

>thankfully) and though the second gem doesn't quite compare with the first

>in terms of intensity, I still feel physical discomfort after a while. (All

>this is difficult for me as I can't be nonchalant and detached dealing with

>gems that cost so much.)

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>Not wanting to bother the jyotiSi with my situation, but feeling unable to

>get assistance from any other avenue, I again wrote the jyotiSi in hopes of

>getting clarification of my circumstances, thinking maybe the recent

>combustion of budha was the cause of my negative reaction to the emerald.

>(I first tried the emerald on Aug. 3rd when budha was under 3 degrees away

>from sUrya.)

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>The response emphasized that the jyotiSi held the opinion that I should wear

>the first stone and that the cases of gems for benefics causing negative

>reactions are VERY rare. Also, the jyotiSi was of the opinion that the ill

>effects I received had nothing to do with the gem even though they are

>repeatable, but something that would have happened to me anyway, the

>proximity to the gem in time and space with the effects being coincidences.

 

Seems like a pretty weak explanation if the ill effects occurred within

minutes of putting it on.

 

>I am at a loss that there seems to be so little recourse in determining how

>a gemstone will affect someone, especially by serious practitioners of such

>a sacred and profound science who claim they are providing service to

>humanity and know their recommendations are sought by persons in need and

>that the cost of these recommendations can be exorbitant. Since I didn't

>fit the profile of most clients with regard to gems, all I was told in the

>end was 'good luck'. I now open this situation up for comment by the list

>members in hopes of more information. Don't worry, however -- I will follow

>my own counsel on this and return both gems.

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I'm glad you can return the gems and get a refund. That's the one saving

grace of this whole "business" end of jyotish. Your case is interesting

because it goes against the conventional wisdom of strengthening weak

planets. Of course, there is another popular view that says to only

strengthen strong planets. I honestly don't know which school of thought I

favour. Perhaps your reaction was really an anomaly, or perhaps it is

solid evidence for the latter view. I guess we all should pay more

attention to this and form our own opinions over time.

 

Thanks so much for letting us in on your experience. Perhaps you should

try a Rahu, Saturn or Jupiter gem next, since those planets seem to be in

better shape in your horoscope. Let experimentation, rather than a single

opinion, be your guide!

 

Chris

 

 

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I'm not familiar with nine stone bracelets. Oh, yeah, they are a sort of

all purpose thing. Yes, I've seen photos of them. Well, there's no harm

in trying them as long as they'll refund your money if you're not happy.

As for balance, who knows? Maybe somebody has some experience with them.

Also you might try a gem for your Sun since it's lagnesh in the 4th

unafflicted. It also picks up a near exact degree conjunction with

navamsha Jupiter. Very nice.

 

Chris

 

At 11:02 AM 8/8/01 EDT, you wrote:

>In a message dated 8/8/01 7:49:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

>ckevill writes:

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><< Thanks so much for letting us in on your experience. Perhaps you should

> try a Rahu, Saturn or Jupiter gem next, since those planets seem to be in

> better shape in your horoscope. Let experimentation, rather than a single

> opinion, be your guide!

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>What about those nine stone bracelets? Would that bring more balance

>possibly in the energies?

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