The effectiveness of Mantras chanted on behalf of another??

[Guest guest]

Dear Members,

 

I'd be most grateful for any information anyone can offer on this...it's an

area I'm not too sure of, and I'll never venture into something, or advise

someone else of something unless I'm absolutely certain it's correct. I have

too much respect for the power (both good and bad) of remedial measures to

embark upon something I'm not totally sure of.

 

I am presently in grave fear for my Son...knowing his chart and his present

dasa periods, along with what's manifesting (totally in line with this

period, and no surprise), I see his body collapsing under the onslaught more

and more every day and am helpless to help him...in any real sense! Remedies

that cost (anything) are out at this stage I'm afraid, and there's no way he

will chant a mantra. But if I can do it for him I will do so day and night

if necessary. But I have to know how wise and correct this is and what are

the special conditions i.e. should I have his photo in front of me, etc...

 

I would be grateful if those who know will pass their knowledge and

experience onto me.

 

Regards, Wendy

[Guest guest]

Well...I was told it was ok to do by James Braha (http://www.jamesbraha.com).

To me it's no different than 'praying' on behalf of someone to God...right?

Prayer is prayer no matter what language or to what face of Spirit you are

invoking. Just my two cents worth.

 

Renee

 

>>> wenvas 07/05/01 08:42AM >>>

Dear Members,

 

I'd be most grateful for any information anyone can offer on this...it's an

area I'm not too sure of, and I'll never venture into something, or advise

someone else of something unless I'm absolutely certain it's correct. I have

too much respect for the power (both good and bad) of remedial measures to

embark upon something I'm not totally sure of.

 

I am presently in grave fear for my Son...knowing his chart and his present

dasa periods, along with what's manifesting (totally in line with this

period, and no surprise), I see his body collapsing under the onslaught more

and more every day and am helpless to help him...in any real sense! Remedies

that cost (anything) are out at this stage I'm afraid, and there's no way he

will chant a mantra. But if I can do it for him I will do so day and night

if necessary. But I have to know how wise and correct this is and what are

the special conditions i.e. should I have his photo in front of me, etc...

 

I would be grateful if those who know will pass their knowledge and

experience onto me.

 

Regards, Wendy

 

 

 

gjlist-

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Wendy ~

 

I am praying for you and your son. Prayer is such a powerful change agent!

 

I've noticed that even when a situation is destined to occur and difficult

to effect very much,

I am still blessed through the process of prayer as Peace super-imposes

It's sweet grace throughout my troubled consciousness. I am left with the

transcendental assurance that I did as much as was humanly possible for

myself and the recipient of my prayers.

 

The mystic significance and power of a Mother's prayer for her young can

never be fully comprehended or over-estimated in value. Each time we pray,

we deposit immeasurable blessings directly into their spiritual account,

whatever the outcome.

 

One technique that I have used faithfully over the years for my twin sons

and I and still continue to use for both sons, (even though one of my boy's

passed away last April) is this:

 

I always begin with a formal statement that this sadhana is being offered

on behalf of my twin sons and I.

 

As I chant my first round of japa, I visualize my own and my sons' first

house. I do a complete round of 108 recitations and while I chant, I

imagine that each syllable of the holy sounds are delicately polishing and

shining and cleaning our lagna. Then I move on to our second house,

cleaning and polishing for the whole 108 recitations. Then the third and

the fourth house and I continue until I've polished and shined all 12 houses.

 

I believe that I have become a very good house-keeper and mother through

this practice.

 

I hope this offering will be of use to you.

 

Respectfully ~

Chandra

~

 

At 11:42 PM 7/5/01 +0800, you wrote:

>Dear Members,

>

>I'd be most grateful for any information anyone can offer on this...it's an

>area I'm not too sure of, and I'll never venture into something, or advise

>someone else of something unless I'm absolutely certain it's correct. I have

>too much respect for the power (both good and bad) of remedial measures to

>embark upon something I'm not totally sure of.

>

>I am presently in grave fear for my Son...knowing his chart and his present

>dasa periods, along with what's manifesting (totally in line with this

>period, and no surprise), I see his body collapsing under the onslaught more

>and more every day and am helpless to help him...in any real sense! Remedies

>that cost (anything) are out at this stage I'm afraid, and there's no way he

>will chant a mantra. But if I can do it for him I will do so day and night

>if necessary. But I have to know how wise and correct this is and what are

>the special conditions i.e. should I have his photo in front of me, etc...

>

>I would be grateful if those who know will pass their knowledge and

>experience onto me.

>

>Regards, Wendy

>

>

>

>gjlist-

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Wendy,

 

Namaste -

 

You can chant mantras on behalf of someone else, and the effects will be

evident. In consideration of conditions which effect health and longevity,

the mantra to chant is the Maha-Mrtyunjaya mantra, which invokes the

protection of Lord Shiva. If a relative, for example, is ailing, and no

other conventional or nonconventional measures help, then invoking the

attention of Lord Mahadeva (Shiva) is your best recourse. Then considering

the fact that entanglement in the repetitions of births and deaths is in

itself the disease of the conditional soul, then chanting to Lord Krsna

(Vishnu/Narayana) will enable not only you, but the person on whose behalf

you are chanting, to attain moksha, whether or not that is indicated in the

astrological chart. So the effects of Prarabdha (past sins or

transgressions), and Purushartha (current life misuse of free will) can be

most effectively alleviated by propitiating the most powerful of Gods,

Krsna and Shiva respectively.

 

Do the following mantras at least 108 times, or more, per day on behalf of

your son:

 

MAHA MRTYUNJAYA MANTRA

 

To be chanted on behalf of Lord Shiva for protection from all calamities

 

 

OM TRAYAMBAKAM YAJAMAHE

 

SUGANDHIM PUSHTI VARDHANAM

 

URVA RUKHAM IVA BANDHANAN

 

MRITYOR MUKSHIYAM AMRITAT

 

"I take shelter in the three-eyed Lord Shiva. May He bless me with health

and immortality and sever me from the clutches of death, even as a cucumber

is severed from its creeper".

 

The Mantra can be chanted for one's own benefit, or on behalf of a loved

one who may have fallen into some kind of adversity, even potential

death. In India, the Sadhus chant this Mantra to propitiate Lord Shiva,

whenever someone comes to them with serious illness in the

family. Rigorous and regular chanting of this Mantra, along with the

Maha-mantra, will certainly draw the protection of Lord Shiva for oneself

and family.

 

THE HARE KRSNA (pronounced "Krishna") MANTRA

 

 

Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare

Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare

 

Recite the mantra as many times per day as possible. Especially do it at

the time of going to bed, when you get up, as well as in any situation

wherein there is danger or mental anxiety.

 

 

Best wishes,

Robert

 

=====================================

Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

760 NW Broken Arrow Rd.

Bend, OR. 97701-9037

Phone: 541-318-0248

visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail

rk. rk

 

 

[Guest guest]

God Bless Dear Chandra,

 

Your sincere prayers will help, I know. There are times when I think it

would be a blessing for him to go, but then my whole being screams NO! I

cannot let this happen...I have to find a way, I have to!

 

Wendy

 

> Dear Wendy ~

>

> I am praying for you and your son. Prayer is such a powerful change

agent!

>

> I've noticed that even when a situation is destined to occur and difficult

> to effect very much,

> I am still blessed through the process of prayer as Peace super-imposes

> It's sweet grace throughout my troubled consciousness. I am left with the

> transcendental assurance that I did as much as was humanly possible for

> myself and the recipient of my prayers.

>

> The mystic significance and power of a Mother's prayer for her young can

> never be fully comprehended or over-estimated in value. Each time we pray,

> we deposit immeasurable blessings directly into their spiritual account,

> whatever the outcome.

>

> One technique that I have used faithfully over the years for my twin sons

> and I and still continue to use for both sons, (even though one of my

boy's

> passed away last April) is this:

>

> I always begin with a formal statement that this sadhana is being offered

> on behalf of my twin sons and I.

>

> As I chant my first round of japa, I visualize my own and my sons' first

> house. I do a complete round of 108 recitations and while I chant, I

> imagine that each syllable of the holy sounds are delicately polishing and

> shining and cleaning our lagna. Then I move on to our second house,

> cleaning and polishing for the whole 108 recitations. Then the third and

> the fourth house and I continue until I've polished and shined all 12

houses.

>

> I believe that I have become a very good house-keeper and mother through

> this practice.

>

> I hope this offering will be of use to you.

>

> Respectfully ~

> Chandra

> ~

>

> At 11:42 PM 7/5/01 +0800, you wrote:

> >Dear Members,

> >

> >I'd be most grateful for any information anyone can offer on this...it's

an

> >area I'm not too sure of, and I'll never venture into something, or

advise

> >someone else of something unless I'm absolutely certain it's correct. I

have

> >too much respect for the power (both good and bad) of remedial measures

to

> >embark upon something I'm not totally sure of.

> >

> >I am presently in grave fear for my Son...knowing his chart and his

present

> >dasa periods, along with what's manifesting (totally in line with this

> >period, and no surprise), I see his body collapsing under the onslaught

more

> >and more every day and am helpless to help him...in any real sense!

Remedies

> >that cost (anything) are out at this stage I'm afraid, and there's no way

he

> >will chant a mantra. But if I can do it for him I will do so day and

night

> >if necessary. But I have to know how wise and correct this is and what

are

> >the special conditions i.e. should I have his photo in front of me,

etc...

> >

> >I would be grateful if those who know will pass their knowledge and

> >experience onto me.

> >

> >Regards, Wendy

> >

> >

> >

> >gjlist-

> >

> >

> >

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>

>

>

> gjlist-

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Many, Many, Many thanks Robert,

 

Fortunately I am familiar with both Mahamrtyunjaya and Hare Krsna mantras,

having chanted both at times of great distress (and received benefit). What

I was in great doubt about was the appropriateness of performing (remedial)

measures on someone else's behalf. I am now confident that this (apart from

being at his constant beck and call) will be of significant help to my Son.

 

He is such a tortured Soul and it is he who is killing himself, and now

finally his body is unable to withstand it. His whole body is puffed up like

a balloon and he's so sick... nauseous... his breathing stops every now and

then (briefly), and when he comes to he's in this awful nightmare. He

reminds me of how Elvis Presley looked shortly before his death. He's full

of fear and is having dreadful psychotic episodes. He's been on this path of

destruction for years, ever since he injured his back. The prescription

painkillers he's on are more powerful than morphine ( his Dr. switched him

onto these when the morphine were no longer helping).

 

This is a dreadful drug...he's supposed to take only one twice a day...he's

been taking them every few hours for God knows how long....and the Bl**dy

Dr. just keeps supplying him!! Now his body just can't take it anymore, but

he keeps taking them because to stop throws him into the pits of hell and

he's too afraid to go there. He cries out to me: "Mum help me!" and my heart

cries rivers of blood.

 

I have made an appt. for him to see a very good magnetic therapist on

Monday...hoping that if we can manage his pain we may then stand a chance of

getting him off the medication. But he's so bad at the moment I fear he

won't make it to Monday...perhaps I'm just tired!

 

My apologies for this long post and I don't mean to be a seeker of

sympathy...we all suffer, I know...there is nothing unique in my situation.

My husband turns a blind eye to my Son's suffering, whilst my Son's

millionaire father jaunts off on his holiday overseas. I guess the suffering

is just my Son's and mine to bear...so be it!

 

Regards, Wendy

 

 

> Dear Wendy,

>

> Namaste -

>

> You can chant mantras on behalf of someone else, and the effects will be

> evident. In consideration of conditions which effect health and

longevity,

> the mantra to chant is the Maha-Mrtyunjaya mantra, which invokes the

> protection of Lord Shiva. If a relative, for example, is ailing, and no

> other conventional or nonconventional measures help, then invoking the

> attention of Lord Mahadeva (Shiva) is your best recourse. Then

considering

> the fact that entanglement in the repetitions of births and deaths is in

> itself the disease of the conditional soul, then chanting to Lord Krsna

> (Vishnu/Narayana) will enable not only you, but the person on whose behalf

> you are chanting, to attain moksha, whether or not that is indicated in

the

> astrological chart. So the effects of Prarabdha (past sins or

> transgressions), and Purushartha (current life misuse of free will) can be

> most effectively alleviated by propitiating the most powerful of Gods,

> Krsna and Shiva respectively.

>

> Do the following mantras at least 108 times, or more, per day on behalf of

> your son:

>

> MAHA MRTYUNJAYA MANTRA

>

> To be chanted on behalf of Lord Shiva for protection from all calamities

>

>

> OM TRAYAMBAKAM YAJAMAHE

>

> SUGANDHIM PUSHTI VARDHANAM

>

> URVA RUKHAM IVA BANDHANAN

>

> MRITYOR MUKSHIYAM AMRITAT

>

> "I take shelter in the three-eyed Lord Shiva. May He bless me with health

> and immortality and sever me from the clutches of death, even as a

cucumber

> is severed from its creeper".

>

> The Mantra can be chanted for one's own benefit, or on behalf of a loved

> one who may have fallen into some kind of adversity, even potential

> death. In India, the Sadhus chant this Mantra to propitiate Lord Shiva,

> whenever someone comes to them with serious illness in the

> family. Rigorous and regular chanting of this Mantra, along with the

> Maha-mantra, will certainly draw the protection of Lord Shiva for oneself

> and family.

>

> THE HARE KRSNA (pronounced "Krishna") MANTRA

>

>

> Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare

> Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare

>

> Recite the mantra as many times per day as possible. Especially do it at

> the time of going to bed, when you get up, as well as in any situation

> wherein there is danger or mental anxiety.

>

>

> Best wishes,

> Robert

>

> =====================================

> Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

> 760 NW Broken Arrow Rd.

> Bend, OR. 97701-9037

> Phone: 541-318-0248

> visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail

> rk. rk

[Guest guest]

Dear Wendy,

 

At 01:31 AM 7/6/01 +0800, you wrote:

>Many, Many, Many thanks Robert,

 

You are very welcome - I am happy to assist.

 

The practise of a relative, doing puja, japa, or seva on behalf of a family

member, has been customary in Hindu/Vedic culture since forever. For

example, the eldest son is recommended to go to a temple of Vishnu, and

offer Pinda (donations) on behalf of deceased forefathers. This act is

said to be so powerful, than even forefathers having descended to hell,

could be relieved of such a condition of life and reinstated in human form.

 

So similarly, you can chant and do other auspicious services on behalf of

your son, and the efforts will not go in vain. Both you and your son

become fortunate by your doing so. I do hope that your son is relieved

of these terrible afflictions that you have described, by the grace of the

All Powerful.

 

Best wishes,

Robert

 

=====================================

Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

760 NW Broken Arrow Rd.

Bend, OR. 97701-9037

Phone: 541-318-0248

visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail

rk. rk

[Guest guest]

Hi

 

I am very new to the list and am fascinated by the discussions going on.

Hopefully someday I'll know enough to be able to contribute something

meaningful.

 

A recent discussion I was having with a friend about Hindu philosophy,

etc. prompted me to reply to this email. This is probably not the right

forum for this kind of discussion though.

 

| said to be so powerful, than even forefathers having descended to hell,

| could be relieved of such a condition of life and reinstated in human form.

 

While I agree with the views about praying for someone else, I was curious

about something else mentioned above.

 

Based on the limited knowledge that I have and from talking to some other

people, I was of the opinion that the vedas do not talk about the concept

of a hell at all as far a life after death is concerned. I have heard

about demons and "naragam" (meaning hell), but never in the context of

going to hell after dying, always as a metaphor in stories.

 

I haven't had the good fortune of reading the vedas themselves, so I could

be wrong about this. I am hoping some of the more learned members of this

list could enlighten me on this subject.

 

Thanks

 

Vinod

[Guest guest]

Dear Zoran,

 

How do you find Upa Pada. ? What if the Lord of the house 12 is in house 6

or house 12 itself. Then what will be Upa Pada ?

 

Thanks

 

Ravinder Grover

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<ahimsa

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Friday, July 06, 2001 2:55 PM

Re: [gjlist] The effectiveness of Mantras chanted on behalf of

another??

 

 

> Dear Wendy,

> Send me both charts, yours and his...

> Find upapada in your chart, and start fasting on days ruled by upapada

> lord.

> Upapada stands for formal marriage and offspring, as the main cause of

> union. In

> my own experience, very soon releif will come. Check badhakesh in his

> chart,

> especially in navamsa..

> Best wishes,

> Zoran

>

> Wendy Vasicek wrote:

>

> > Dear Members,

> >

> > I'd be most grateful for any information anyone can offer on this...it's

an

> > area I'm not too sure of, and I'll never venture into something, or

advise

> > someone else of something unless I'm absolutely certain it's correct. I

have

> > too much respect for the power (both good and bad) of remedial measures

to

> > embark upon something I'm not totally sure of.

> >

> > I am presently in grave fear for my Son...knowing his chart and his

present

> > dasa periods, along with what's manifesting (totally in line with this

> > period, and no surprise), I see his body collapsing under the onslaught

more

> > and more every day and am helpless to help him...in any real sense!

Remedies

> > that cost (anything) are out at this stage I'm afraid, and there's no

way he

> > will chant a mantra. But if I can do it for him I will do so day and

night

> > if necessary. But I have to know how wise and correct this is and what

are

> > the special conditions i.e. should I have his photo in front of me,

etc...

> >

> > I would be grateful if those who know will pass their knowledge and

> > experience onto me.

> >

> > Regards, Wendy

> >

> >

> > gjlist-

> >

> >

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

 

>

>

> gjlist-

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Listmembers

Is it possible to get a list or find a book that lists the appropriate

mantras to chant for various people in our lives, in various situations?

for example, which mantra would be best for wishing safe journeys?

which for safe and healthy pregnancy?

etc.

I dont know if specific mantras would be more effective than simple

heartfelt prayers, I have very little experience in either.

thanks in advance

marcia

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

That would sure be nice. I only have specific ones for each planet/placement.

Hmmmm....wonder if there's a website out there that might list some. How about

"how to get rid of irritating bosses" LOL...oh well...another month of

karma...what can I say?

 

Me

 

>>> marcia 07/05/01 04:05PM >>>

Dear Listmembers

Is it possible to get a list or find a book that lists the appropriate

mantras to chant for various people in our lives, in various situations?

for example, which mantra would be best for wishing safe journeys?

which for safe and healthy pregnancy?

etc.

I dont know if specific mantras would be more effective than simple

heartfelt prayers, I have very little experience in either.

thanks in advance

marcia

 

 

 

 

 

 

gjlist-

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Wendy,

I feel humbled by your courage during this difficult time, and pray

for your strength and for that of your son, and for those near you who might

offer kind support to both of you.

 

It appears to me your son is experiencing self-poisoning, and my

immediate thought is not an expensive one, but may be of help. If it

possible for him to drink some charcoal mix--this can be supplied by the

doctor or hospital or chemist--this would help to bring down some of the

reaction to too much toxins.

 

A cloth saturated with castor oil, then wrung out a bit so it won't

drip all over--place this on his abdomen or anywhere he will allow it, with

preferably a heating pad on top to help the oil soothe into the pores, will

provide an inexpensive but effective help, and the oil is also nutritive so

it will be a minor food source as well. Castor oil is "Palma Christi" in

Latin; it has healed diverse conditions.

 

Cranberry capsules will assist his urinary tract to get poisons

out, also, with water sipped as much as can be taken.

 

If food is able to be taken, oatmeal helps with breathing. Prepare

this with water and a small amount of honey or sweetener. It helps horses

win races; it helps asthmatics regain their breath.

 

Cayce said that a charred oak keg with a small amount of apple

brandy poured inside it (the keg is small-sized) and a tent of cloth or

plastic drawn over the keg so the person may go under the tent to deeply

inhale the brandy fumes, will restore breath to those struggling for air.

 

Improvise wherever it's needed, Wendy, and know we are many,

praying for a safe recovery for your son. We pray for his wellbeing right

now, sending love and strength to both of you right now. As you climb to the

top of this steep mountain, know unseen help is at hand.

 

With much love,

Carol

[Guest guest]

[i've noticed that even when a situation is destined to occur and difficult

to effect very much,

I am still blessed through the process of prayer as Peace super-imposes

It's sweet grace throughout my troubled consciousness. I am left with the

transcendental assurance that I did as much as was humanly possible for

myself and the recipient of my prayers.

 

The mystic significance and power of a Mother's prayer for her young can

never be fully comprehended or over-estimated in value. Each time we pray,

we deposit immeasurable blessings directly into their spiritual account,

whatever the outcome.

 

One technique that I have used faithfully over the years for my twin sons

and I and still continue to use for both sons, (even though one of my boy's

passed away last April) is this:

 

I always begin with a formal statement that this sadhana is being offered

on behalf of my twin sons and I.

 

As I chant my first round of japa, I visualize my own and my sons' first

house. I do a complete round of 108 recitations and while I chant, I

imagine that each syllable of the holy sounds are delicately polishing and

shining and cleaning our lagna. Then I move on to our second house,

cleaning and polishing for the whole 108 recitations. Then the third and

the fourth house and I continue until I've polished and shined all 12 houses.

 

I believe that I have become a very good house-keeper and mother through

this practice.

 

I hope this offering will be of use to you.

 

Respectfully ~

Chandra]

 

Dear Wendy ,

Nothing could be said , better than said by Chandra Devi. Pain of the son is

pain of self and to whichever you join emotionally, whichever pain hurt you that

is your pain. A saint "I " includes whole world and he can do the remedies for

the whole. A mother's self includes her children and you can surely do the

remedy for your son , remove the doubts from your mind and do recite Mritu jai.

I am sending wave file to you separately for this.

Wishing you all the best.

 

Inder Jit Sahni

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Wendy,

Send me both charts, yours and his...

Find upapada in your chart, and start fasting on days ruled by upapada

lord.

Upapada stands for formal marriage and offspring, as the main cause of

union. In

my own experience, very soon releif will come. Check badhakesh in his

chart,

especially in navamsa..

Best wishes,

Zoran

 

Wendy Vasicek wrote:

 

> Dear Members,

>

> I'd be most grateful for any information anyone can offer on this...it's an

> area I'm not too sure of, and I'll never venture into something, or advise

> someone else of something unless I'm absolutely certain it's correct. I have

> too much respect for the power (both good and bad) of remedial measures to

> embark upon something I'm not totally sure of.

>

> I am presently in grave fear for my Son...knowing his chart and his present

> dasa periods, along with what's manifesting (totally in line with this

> period, and no surprise), I see his body collapsing under the onslaught more

> and more every day and am helpless to help him...in any real sense! Remedies

> that cost (anything) are out at this stage I'm afraid, and there's no way he

> will chant a mantra. But if I can do it for him I will do so day and night

> if necessary. But I have to know how wise and correct this is and what are

> the special conditions i.e. should I have his photo in front of me, etc...

>

> I would be grateful if those who know will pass their knowledge and

> experience onto me.

>

> Regards, Wendy

>

>

> gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

[Guest guest]

Dear Ravinder,

If the lord of the 12th is in 12th then, upapada would fall in 9th house

If the lord of the 12th is in 6th, 9th house again.

However be careful in case of Dhanu and Meen lagna, since in case of dhanu, 12th

would be ruled by both ketu and mars, while in case of meen, rahu and saturn

would rule 12th. Than choose the stronger lord.

Best wishes,

Zoran

 

Ravinder Grover wrote:

 

> Dear Zoran,

>

> How do you find Upa Pada. ? What if the Lord of the house 12 is in house 6

> or house 12 itself. Then what will be Upa Pada ?

>

> Thanks

>

> Ravinder Grover

> -

> <ahimsa

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> Friday, July 06, 2001 2:55 PM

> Re: [gjlist] The effectiveness of Mantras chanted on behalf of

> another??

>

> > Dear Wendy,

> > Send me both charts, yours and his...

> > Find upapada in your chart, and start fasting on days ruled by upapada

> > lord.

> > Upapada stands for formal marriage and offspring, as the main cause of

> > union. In

> > my own experience, very soon releif will come. Check badhakesh in his

> > chart,

> > especially in navamsa..

> > Best wishes,

> > Zoran

> >

> > Wendy Vasicek wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Members,

> > >

> > > I'd be most grateful for any information anyone can offer on this...it's

> an

> > > area I'm not too sure of, and I'll never venture into something, or

> advise

> > > someone else of something unless I'm absolutely certain it's correct. I

> have

> > > too much respect for the power (both good and bad) of remedial measures

> to

> > > embark upon something I'm not totally sure of.

> > >

> > > I am presently in grave fear for my Son...knowing his chart and his

> present

> > > dasa periods, along with what's manifesting (totally in line with this

> > > period, and no surprise), I see his body collapsing under the onslaught

> more

> > > and more every day and am helpless to help him...in any real sense!

> Remedies

> > > that cost (anything) are out at this stage I'm afraid, and there's no

> way he

> > > will chant a mantra. But if I can do it for him I will do so day and

> night

> > > if necessary. But I have to know how wise and correct this is and what

> are

> > > the special conditions i.e. should I have his photo in front of me,

> etc...

> > >

> > > I would be grateful if those who know will pass their knowledge and

> > > experience onto me.

> > >

> > > Regards, Wendy

> > >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Zoran,

 

Happy to comply:

 

My details:

Sept 4 1943

4.20 PM

Melbourne, Australia

 

Son (Andrew)

Jan 28 1964

10.50 AM

Melbourne, Australia

 

I am presently in bhukti of 8th lord Sun conjunct 5th lord Venus in 8th

house. Andrew is presently in Bhukti of 12th lord Saturn conjunct 8th lord

Venus in 12th.

 

The karma is clearly seen. He will be in the grip of this (Saturn bhukti)

until June 2002

 

Regards, Wendy

 

> Dear Wendy,

> Send me both charts, yours and his...

> Find upapada in your chart, and start fasting on days ruled by upapada

> lord.

> Upapada stands for formal marriage and offspring, as the main cause of

> union. In

> my own experience, very soon releif will come. Check badhakesh in his

> chart,

> especially in navamsa..

> Best wishes,

> Zoran

[Guest guest]

God Bless Dear Carol,

 

I am, as always, grateful for your advice regarding Cayce's remedies and

will implement what I can to the best of my ability. I happen to have some

Cranberry capsules at hand and will see that they get to him today...the

charcoal etc. I will also try to get today.

 

Yesterday was Guru Purnima day (Thursday here) and I was watching my very

beautiful video with Maharishi offering Puja to Guru Dev, and pundits

singing hymns of the Rig Veda when Andrew phoned. He was quite distressed

and after speaking for only a minute or two he passed out (as he frequently

does). I sat holding the phone, fearing that he'd be even more distressed

when he came to...but no! he was in fact much calmer and the first thing he

said was: "Is that a tape or CD you've got playing?" I told him what it was

and he said that, although he didn't know why, my music always had a calming

effect on him. I wished that he'd take some of the tapes I have and listen

to them at home but for some inexplicable reason he just won't do it. Any

benefit that he gets in this way seems to have to come through me...he will

not do it for himself.

 

Full Moon in own home in 5th (in nakshatra of Lagnesh Jupiter) probably

explains this.

 

Best Regards, Wendy

 

 

 

> Dear Wendy,

> I feel humbled by your courage during this difficult time, and

pray

> for your strength and for that of your son, and for those near you who

might

> offer kind support to both of you.

>

> It appears to me your son is experiencing self-poisoning, and my

> immediate thought is not an expensive one, but may be of help. If it

> possible for him to drink some charcoal mix--this can be supplied by the

> doctor or hospital or chemist--this would help to bring down some of the

> reaction to too much toxins.

>

> A cloth saturated with castor oil, then wrung out a bit so it

won't

> drip all over--place this on his abdomen or anywhere he will allow it,

with

> preferably a heating pad on top to help the oil soothe into the pores,

will

> provide an inexpensive but effective help, and the oil is also nutritive

so

> it will be a minor food source as well. Castor oil is "Palma Christi" in

> Latin; it has healed diverse conditions.

>

> Cranberry capsules will assist his urinary tract to get poisons

> out, also, with water sipped as much as can be taken.

>

> If food is able to be taken, oatmeal helps with breathing.

Prepare

> this with water and a small amount of honey or sweetener. It helps horses

> win races; it helps asthmatics regain their breath.

>

> Cayce said that a charred oak keg with a small amount of apple

> brandy poured inside it (the keg is small-sized) and a tent of cloth or

> plastic drawn over the keg so the person may go under the tent to deeply

> inhale the brandy fumes, will restore breath to those struggling for air.

>

> Improvise wherever it's needed, Wendy, and know we are many,

> praying for a safe recovery for your son. We pray for his wellbeing right

> now, sending love and strength to both of you right now. As you climb to

the

> top of this steep mountain, know unseen help is at hand.

>

> With much love,

> Carol

[Guest guest]

But of course nothing is inexplicable in jyotish......

 

9th lord (remedies/yagyas) Mars combust 6th lord (obstacles/hindrances) Sun,

suggests that he (himself) may be inimically disposed towards remedial

measures etc. and/or may find insurmountable obstacles in his path. However

the aspect from 5th lord Moon......

 

Wendy

 

> but for some inexplicable reason he just won't do it. Any

> benefit that he gets in this way seems to have to come through me...he

will

> not do it for himself.

[Guest guest]

Robert:

 

Just to clarify the pronunciation.

 

>

>MAHA MRTYUNJAYA MANTRA

 

How does the second word go? [murt-yun-jaya]?

 

 

Chris

[Guest guest]

Dear Ravinder,

 

If the lord of 12th is in the 12th or 6th house then the Upa-pada for that

particular case would be in the 12th house itself. However, there is another

theory which suggests that it would fall in the 9th house, but I dont

to it.

 

regards,

 

Manoj

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Wendy,

 

Keep doing Maha-mrityunjaya mantra for your son. Lets have a look at his

chart.

 

Sincere prayers offered by the person himself or on his behalf does work and

all our best wishes are with you.

 

regards,

 

Manoj

 

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[Guest guest]

My prayers are with you Wendy and your son.

 

Sincerely,

 

Renee

 

>>> wenvas 07/05/01 10:18PM >>>

Dear Zoran,

 

Happy to comply:

 

My details:

Sept 4 1943

4.20 PM

Melbourne, Australia

 

Son (Andrew)

Jan 28 1964

10.50 AM

Melbourne, Australia

 

I am presently in bhukti of 8th lord Sun conjunct 5th lord Venus in 8th

house. Andrew is presently in Bhukti of 12th lord Saturn conjunct 8th lord

Venus in 12th.

 

The karma is clearly seen. He will be in the grip of this (Saturn bhukti)

until June 2002

 

Regards, Wendy

 

> Dear Wendy,

> Send me both charts, yours and his...

> Find upapada in your chart, and start fasting on days ruled by upapada

> lord.

> Upapada stands for formal marriage and offspring, as the main cause of

> union. In

> my own experience, very soon releif will come. Check badhakesh in his

> chart,

> especially in navamsa..

> Best wishes,

> Zoran

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Chris and other list members,

 

Those interested in having mritujai mantra wave file shall write to me

privately.

Chanting this mantra will save from death and death is of 8 types, insult,

debit, loss, fall , permanent disease, loosing a battle all are death.

Do it without fear , but 108 times is one unit.

Regards and best of luck,

Inder Jit Sahni

-

Christopher Kevill

gjlist

Friday, July 06, 2001 6:38 PM

Re: [gjlist] The effectiveness of Mantras chanted on behalf of

another??

 

 

Robert:

 

Just to clarify the pronunciation.

 

>

>MAHA MRTYUNJAYA MANTRA

 

How does the second word go? [murt-yun-jaya]?

 

 

Chris

 

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[Guest guest]

Chris,

 

At 09:08 AM 7/6/01 -0400, you wrote:

>Robert:

>

>Just to clarify the pronunciation.

>

> >

> >MAHA MRTYUNJAYA MANTRA

>

>How does the second word go? [murt-yun-jaya]?

>

>

>Chris

 

It is pronounced like "Mreet yun jaya".

 

Best wishes,

Robert

 

=====================================

Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

760 NW Broken Arrow Rd.

Bend, OR. 97701-9037

Phone: 541-318-0248

visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail

rk. rk

[Guest guest]

Namaste Chris & Robert,

 

I believe mp3 of Mrityunjaya Mantra is available for download. I am not sure if

Napster is still functioning.

 

Or try indiamusiconline.com, I am not sure about this though!!

 

-Narayan

 

 

 

gjlist, "Robert A. Koch" <rkoch@b...> wrote:

> Chris,

>

> At 09:08 AM 7/6/01 -0400, you wrote:

> >Robert:

> >

> >Just to clarify the pronunciation.

> >

> > >

> > >MAHA MRTYUNJAYA MANTRA

> >

> >How does the second word go? [murt-yun-jaya]?

> >

> >

> >Chris

>

> It is pronounced like "Mreet yun jaya".

>

> Best wishes,

> Robert

>

> =====================================

> Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

> 760 NW Broken Arrow Rd.

> Bend, OR. 97701-9037

> Phone: 541-318-0248

> visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail

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