Guest guest Posted May 4, 1997 Report Share Posted May 4, 1997 Dear Das Jyotish is simply a vehicle for the mind to make sense of this world. It is the map that allows the mind to chart its course through a storm. It is not unlike medicine or a herb that one would take to palliate an ill body : when the mind is satisfied that the Divine has ordained a path that is immovable and unchangeable, that level of SURRENDER is what makes the rest of the journey easier ; the struggle is lessened, and the notion of control that one has, is then released. In that sense, the Jyotishee is a healer of the mind - one who absorbs the travail of a troubled seeker of comfort and who reveals a timeframe for their suffering. A child has no use for Jyotish ; neither does one who is happy with his lot in life, or one who is willing to "suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune". The Jyotishee also has to pass through this last hurdle - of being able to accept surrender to the Divine Will and not be bothered about the light at the end of the tunnel - in other words , to be able to renounce Jyotish for his own use but still use it to be helpful*, compassionate* and friendly* to other minds in order to "let go". ( * = borrowed from Patanjali) If in this mind there is still a storm raging, pulling one in the direction of a troublesome habit, then try hard to convert that into another habit - Hinduism offers clarity in the paths available to freedom - Karma Yoga to those who do not choose to worship a deity but want to do good to other beings, Jnana Yoga for those who choose to study the meaning of life and their place as a jiva in the cosmos, Raja Yoga for those who have the silence of mind to be contemplative and witness the vritti of the mind in themselves and in others ( it is still all the same cosmic mind even though you think it is yours!) and Bhakti Yoga for those who can surrender unquestioningly and irrevocably to the Divine ( as in the Hare Krishna devotees) and see all of this as the Divine Lila as stated in the Gita. As Ramana declares, we create this world out of our own minds. No other living being can experience your problem or your pain. Your pain will always be if your mind will not let go of it. Seek out your Self and you will root out this Maya. Glory to the Divine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 1997 Report Share Posted May 4, 1997 - vpillay gjlist Monday, May 05, 1997 1:18 AM Reflections from a passing ship Dear Das Jyotish is simply a vehicle for the mind to make sense of this world. It is the map that allows the mind to chart its course through a storm. It is not unlike medicine or a herb that one would take to palliate an ill body : when the mind is satisfied that the Divine has ordained a path that is immovable and unchangeable, that level of SURRENDER is what makes the rest of the journey easier ; the struggle is lessened, and the notion of control that one has, is then released. In that sense, the Jyotishee is a healer of the mind - one who absorbs the travail of a troubled seeker of comfort and who reveals a timeframe for their suffering. A child has no use for Jyotish ; neither does one who is happy with his lot in life, or one who is willing to "suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune". The Jyotishee also has to pass through this last hurdle - of being able to accept surrender to the Divine Will and not be bothered about the light at the end of the tunnel - in other words , to be able to renounce Jyotish for his own use but still use it to be helpful*, compassionate* and friendly* to other minds in order to "let go". ( * = borrowed from Patanjali) If in this mind there is still a storm raging, pulling one in the direction of a troublesome habit, then try hard to convert that into another habit - Hinduism offers clarity in the paths available to freedom - Karma Yoga to those who do not choose to worship a deity but want to do good to other beings, Jnana Yoga for those who choose to study the meaning of life and their place as a jiva in the cosmos, Raja Yoga for those who have the silence of mind to be contemplative and witness the vritti of the mind in themselves and in others ( it is still all the same cosmic mind even though you think it is yours!) and Bhakti Yoga for those who can surrender unquestioningly and irrevocably to the Divine ( as in the Hare Krishna devotees) and see all of this as the Divine Lila as stated in the Gita. As Ramana declares, we create this world out of our own minds. No other living being can experience your problem or your pain. Your pain will always be if your mind will not let go of it. Seek out your Self and you will root out this Maya. Glory to the Divine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2001 Report Share Posted June 27, 2001 Dear V. (Jaya) Pillay, Excellent writing. My dear friend, I am trying to find myself as you say at the last. That I am doing now, at last, after trying for so long to make right a relationship with a certain woman- but this case is impossible to "fix" in any good way; in this sad case. Oh well. But my friends are helping me. I'm starting to see light again, slowly. Thanks, you helped me too. We can never get enough reminders of the truth eh? When you meet someone you like SOOOOO much in some ways, but in other ways, they are your personal antithesis, it is heart wrenching to sort it out. It's like cutting off your own infected arm- you must do it, but what a difficult and sad thing to have to do. Going on with a crippled arm is also difficult. No matter what, very hard, very sad, and for a spoiled brat, a real challenge. I appreciate your reflections, dear passing vessel, with humble appreciations, Das Goravani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2001 Report Share Posted June 27, 2001 --- Das Goravani <> wrote: > > When you meet someone you like SOOOOO much in some > ways, but in other > ways, they are your personal antithesis, it is heart > wrenching to sort Dear Das Goravani, The above line has reminded me of some lines in the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad, which I'd like to share in a hope that it might help. (In the mantra 5), when Maitreyi questions her husband, the sage yajnavalkya, on his decision to take up sannyAsa, leaving behind everything else, he first becomes fond of her and then says these lines -- na vA are patyuH kAmAya patiH priyo bhavatI Atmanastu kAmAya patiH priyo bhavati | It is not because of one's own will that the husband becomes dear to wife. It is because the will of the Lord that he becomes dear to her. Continuing, he brings up the instances of wife being dear to husband, son to mother so on and so forth. By the end, he covers nearly all relations that can be thought of with anybody and concludes all relations stand as long as the Supreme Lord desires so. And it is only Him who should be ever and most desired. Sant tulasidas, the author of Ramcharitmanas, says a similar thing. No two people are directly related to each other. Like two spokes on a hub, they are related to each other only through the Lord, and not otherwise. Regards, NDS Get personalized email addresses from Mail http://personal.mail./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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