GJ List Quiz #4 (follow up to Quiz #1)

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Hi All:

 

Well, I seem to have been beaten to punch to the follow up to #1. My idea

was that we'd go through the discussion a bit more before posting another

one. Perhaps not. I've numbered this quiz #4 to avoid confusion with the

other two. I'm sure too many quizzes will spoil the broth but what can you

do? I thought I'd post the follow up now for those who have the first

chart still fresh in their minds.

 

On the follow up, I thought I would use the same chart as #1 only with a

time frame question. Andrew Lynn was quite right when he said that this

woman's chart had some significant affliction to the marriage partner.

That was the basis of his guess that the partner died. In reality, her

partner did pre-decease her (ie she was widowed) but not on Dec 3 1974.

That fact is the basis for this time-based quiz.

 

Data:

 

Female

Jul 3 1949 22.05 (10.05 pm) CCT Tz 8

Manila, Philippines

14n25 121e00

 

Ascendant 16Aq48 (lahiri)

 

source: birth certificate

 

1. When did she marry? (she's only been married once)

 

2. When did her husband die?

 

Obviously, there's no need to do both questions if one is pressed for time.

 

 

Answers will be posted in one week on June 20 9 pm EDT

[Guest guest]

Hi all ,

This is in addition to my comments posted in response to Marcia enquiry, because

my explanation may make many minds prejudice , which will be against the spirit

of this quiz. Actually my answer to the enquiry and the quiz 4 posted by Chris

were in one Go , that i posted the answer and received the quiz simultaneously.

I am not posting answer to the quiz , but giving further explanations that

Jupiter though best star in the nativity has potential to give marriage and

widowhood both . As per KP Jupiter is giving the effects of 11th bhava and is in

the star of Sun , thus it governs 5th and 7th house matters, 5th is the house of

children and of love too . Whereas 7th is the house of opponents and husband ,

to which this quiz is related. What effect will be given pertaining to these

houses is to be decided by the Jupiter's sub lord , which is mercury in this

case . Mercury in 4rth in the star of Mars and associated with Mars , aspected

by Saturn a 12th house lord shows assisting the other party with own will and it

is also a markesh to the 7th house being lord of the badhka house for 7th cusp.

So Jupiter can give and mar both to 7th.

As per pure vedic 4rh house and 7th house are badly afflicted . Jupiter in

retrograde motion from Capricorn sign is trying to protect 4rth , 7th and 5th

house too. You may compare Jupiter with a person , who wants to help but to whom

help don't know , because there are more than one trouble. Jupiter is a person

who has fallen low to contact Venus . But looking at troubles in the 4rth house

he is enlightening the spiritual pursuits. In this chart if Saturn is a star of

pain and shows increased interests in astrology and occult related purists ,

then Jupiter shows rise and fall both .

My this post is not to confuse but to elaborate that incidents are possible in

Jupiter Mahadasa too , inspite of my comments that Jupiter is the best planet

in this chart.

 

Regards,

Inder Jit Sahni

 

-

Christopher Kevill

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Thursday, June 14, 2001 6:27 AM

[gjlist] GJ List Quiz #4 (follow up to Quiz #1)

 

 

Hi All:

 

Well, I seem to have been beaten to punch to the follow up to #1. My idea

was that we'd go through the discussion a bit more before posting another

one. Perhaps not. I've numbered this quiz #4 to avoid confusion with the

other two. I'm sure too many quizzes will spoil the broth but what can you

do? I thought I'd post the follow up now for those who have the first

chart still fresh in their minds.

 

On the follow up, I thought I would use the same chart as #1 only with a

time frame question. Andrew Lynn was quite right when he said that this

woman's chart had some significant affliction to the marriage partner.

That was the basis of his guess that the partner died. In reality, her

partner did pre-decease her (ie she was widowed) but not on Dec 3 1974.

That fact is the basis for this time-based quiz.

 

Data:

 

Female

Jul 3 1949 22.05 (10.05 pm) CCT Tz 8

Manila, Philippines

14n25 121e00

 

Ascendant 16Aq48 (lahiri)

 

source: birth certificate

 

1. When did she marry? (she's only been married once)

 

2. When did her husband die?

 

Obviously, there's no need to do both questions if one is pressed for time.

 

 

Answers will be posted in one week on June 20 9 pm EDT

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

>

> On the follow up, I thought I would use the same chart as #1 only with a

> time frame question. Andrew Lynn was quite right when he said that this

> woman's chart had some significant affliction to the marriage partner.

> That was the basis of his guess that the partner died. In reality, her

> partner did pre-decease her (ie she was widowed) but not on Dec 3 1974.

> That fact is the basis for this time-based quiz.

 

I'm glad you mentioned this as I was sure the partner of this woman had

died. I now think it may have happened in Jupiter major period and possibly

Saturn sub. Once again I think to get the period and transit maybe quite

possible but to get the exact date of this is very hard. However, it is

worth trying to do and I will enjoy having a crack.

 

I just had a quick look and will start with Jupiter/Saturn/Mars period

around September 1979. Saturn was then transiting the 7th house in close

mutual aspect to natal Mars and with transit Sun. I will start here and try

to work it out. I was also thinking she may have got married also in

Jupiter/ Saturn period as Jupiter and Venus both transited 7th lord Sun in

June 1978.

 

Her Jupiter is lord of longevity for the husband and it falls within 1

degree of being neecha on a degree that is said to give sudden accidents and

even death by gunshot. I'm just thinking out aloud............

 

 

Andrew

[Guest guest]

Dear chris ,

Marrige dates seems to me prior to emigration in may 1974 and is the cause of

displacement.

Deat of the husband is possible in Jupiter Madasa Rahu antar and saturan or

sun partayantar , not applied my mind on this .

Inder Jit Sahni

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Om Krsnaaya Namah

 

Hi Chris,

 

Here goes again:

 

>

> Data:

>

> Female

> Jul 3 1949 22.05 (10.05 pm) CCT Tz 8

> Manila, Philippines

> 14n25 121e00

>

> Ascendant 16Aq48 (lahiri)

>

> source: birth certificate

>

> 1. When did she marry? (she's only been married once)

 

Around about mid-November 1973?

 

>

> 2. When did her husband die?

>

 

About June 1987? (Spent less time on this one - not that it'll make a

difference! :-)

 

Looking forward to the answer,

 

Pursottam

 

 

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Before I answer this question please answer few querries about the person.

 

1. I get lagna as Aq. 16 deg, 09 min.

2. I get Moon as Tau. 19 deg. 36 min.

3. Is she in all 2 brothers or sisters, maximum number could be 6.

4. Was her education in areas related for commerce, finance or scientific

subjects and there was also a change in her subjects. There could be a break

in education also.

5. Her father could have some relation with government

6. Was there any change or improvement in her profession or whatever work

she is doing in period from 1997-98.

7. A shift of residence in 2000-2001.

8. Marriage could be in 23rd or 25th year of her life though hemming of

seventh house also indicates a slight delay.

 

Thanks,

 

Manoj

 

 

>"Pursottam" <pursottam_dabasia

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>RE: [gjlist] GJ List Quiz #4 (follow up to Quiz #1)

>Mon, 18 Jun 2001 22:26:55 +0100

>

>Om Krsnaaya Namah

>

>Hi Chris,

>

>Here goes again:

>

> >

> > Data:

> >

> > Female

> > Jul 3 1949 22.05 (10.05 pm) CCT Tz 8

> > Manila, Philippines

> > 14n25 121e00

> >

> > Ascendant 16Aq48 (lahiri)

> >

> > source: birth certificate

> >

> > 1. When did she marry? (she's only been married once)

>

>Around about mid-November 1973?

>

> >

> > 2. When did her husband die?

> >

>

>About June 1987? (Spent less time on this one - not that it'll make a

>difference! :-)

>

>Looking forward to the answer,

>

>Pursottam

>

>

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>

>

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>

>

>

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>

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Om Krsnaaya Namah

 

I sent this yesterday but it appears as if it's not arrived, so I'm sending

it again. Apologies to anyone who's already received it...

 

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Om Krsnaaya Namah

 

Hi Chris,

 

Here goes again:

 

>

> Data:

>

> Female

> Jul 3 1949 22.05 (10.05 pm) CCT Tz 8

> Manila, Philippines

> 14n25 121e00

>

> Ascendant 16Aq48 (lahiri)

>

> source: birth certificate

>

> 1. When did she marry? (she's only been married once)

 

Around about mid-November 1973?

 

>

> 2. When did her husband die?

>

 

About June 1987? (Spent less time on this one - not that it'll make a

difference! :-)

 

Looking forward to the answer,

 

Pursottam

 

 

 

_______

 

Get your free @ address at

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Manoj:

 

TAt 11:54 AM 6/19/01 +0530, you wrote:

>Before I answer this question please answer few querries about the person.

>

>1. I get lagna as Aq. 16 deg, 09 min.

>2. I get Moon as Tau. 19 deg. 36 min.

 

I think you've entered the data incorrectly. Using lahiri, Lagna is 16Aq48

and Moon is 21Vi30. Data is: Jul 3 1949, 22.05 CCT (TZ +8) Manila 14n25

121e00

 

Chris

[Guest guest]

Chris,

 

My answer to the question related to marriage is:

 

She got married in July 1976.

 

Thanks for the quiz. More questions later.

 

cheers

viswanadham

[Guest guest]

Yes Chris,

 

You were right. Instead of 1949, I had entered 1959. Thanks for correcting

me.

 

The revised list of questions now are :

 

1. Are they in all, 2, 4 or 8 brothers and sisters. The most likely number

is 4.

 

2. There could be a birth of a younger co-born during 1950 or 1953.

 

3. Marriage could be around 25-26 years of age.

 

4. Education could be in scientific area.

 

5. Period beginning 1977 is bad for her husband.

 

I am interested in this chart and in knowing about important events of this

person's life as this chart fits into my scheme of research which I am doing

on a different dasha system.

 

If you dont mind kindly give me her events of life, so that I can work on

them. We can discuss this chart in private, if you like.

 

thanks again,

 

Manoj

 

 

>Christopher Kevill <ckevill

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>RE: [gjlist] GJ List Quiz #4 (follow up to Quiz #1)

>Tue, 19 Jun 2001 10:17:57 -0400

>

>Manoj:

>

>TAt 11:54 AM 6/19/01 +0530, you wrote:

> >Before I answer this question please answer few querries about the

>person.

> >

> >1. I get lagna as Aq. 16 deg, 09 min.

> >2. I get Moon as Tau. 19 deg. 36 min.

>

>I think you've entered the data incorrectly. Using lahiri, Lagna is 16Aq48

>and Moon is 21Vi30. Data is: Jul 3 1949, 22.05 CCT (TZ +8) Manila 14n25

>121e00

>

>Chris

>

>

>

>

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>

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>

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This is my analysis for the chart put up by Chris.

 

1st Analyzing the 7th cusp is in the Sun sign Venus star and moon sub, moon is

less than 1 degree from 8th and is in his own sign and Venus sub lord of 9th

placed in 6th house rasi but 5th cusp. Shows more than one relations in life (

may not be marriage always) , as moon is 2nd cusp point sublord too it shows a

family life too . Otherwise it will be difficult in a western world that how to

define a marriage , where most of couples are living together without a legal

marriage.

In Astrology we can define marriage as living like a family with an opposite sex

person , which is socially approved and living together without marriage is

general in western world.

 

So house 2nd 7th and 11 are involved for a marriage .

In the present case husband's qualities and weather one will be married at all

and what will be the results of marriage is described by moon.

If we consider an orb of 8 degree for moon point then its 7 degrees are going

into 8th house and 9 degrees are in the 7th house.

Moon in his own constellation and sub of Venus indicates marriage resulting in

the results of Venus who is in the star of Saturn placed at such point which is

7 degrees less than 7th cusp and is thus giving the results of 6th and 12th and

1st house . Venus set the stage for movement and loss of relationship. That is

moon indicates such marriage which will give displacement and termination of

marriage with sorrow.

 

Now Mars also aspects to the 7th house in general it delays the marriage. The

dates posted by me is also in control of the significators of 7th house , but

that may not be marriage as is defined by the society.

Looking for the significators of marriage ;

2nd house occupant is Rahu and Moon aspects to this Rahu so Rahu signifies Moon

due to aspect Jupiter due to sign placement and Mercury due to constellation

lord.

11 th house is occupied by Jupiter in rashi though it is in Capricorn in cusp it

is 11 degrees less than the ending point of 11th house.

As no star is in the constellation of Jupiter , it is bond to give his own

results.

Jupiter in the constellation of 5th house and is in the sub of 4rth. So Jupiter

gives love , marriage , constructed house and even death of husband due to its

sublordship of mercury.

Venus is aspected by Jupiter is also aspecting Jupiter in turn , so Venus is

also a significator.

Saturn in the star of Ketu who is with moon also becomes a significator , but it

involves 8th 7th and 6th and is a most strong significator of death of the

husband, to which it participate along with Venus and Mars.

So Rahu Sun , Venus and Jupiter including Moon are significator.

Because Rahu is also a significator. But late marriage is indicated in the

chart, any how Rahu is in the star of Mercury in the 4rh house , so rahu's main

concern is education governing commerce etc and terminations before it is

complete. As it is aspected by Moon ., moon causes such incident due to other

person which shall result in emigration.

As Rahu is in the sub of Saturn and Saturn signifies such matters which are

adverse to 7th house so rejecting Rahu mahadasa out rightly.

Moving in Jupiter Mahdasa , Jupiter Antar and Sun Sub period , it is from

8.4.1977 to 16.5.1977., there must be some thing related to marriage during this

period , transit does not match , with only Jupiter moving in Venus sign and sun

star , Sun in Mars and Venus sign and his own stars this may be the right

period.

It is very time consuming and occupies the brain so i am leaving this quiz.

But this is the way we can analyze.

 

Inder Jit Sahni

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

PS

Moon is in his own star not sign.

 

Inder Jit Sahni