Awareness of atomic energies: Dwapara Yuga!?

[Guest guest]

Dear Mani, Ernst, et al,

 

In light of the current discussion regarding present Yuga cycle I'm

forwarding this article by Deepak. This latest discovery seems (to me) to be

pretty strong evidence that we are indeed in Dwapara Yuga (according to Sri

Yukteswar's definition) and not Kali Yuga as some maintain.

 

Regards

Wendy

 

ABREVIATED ARTICLE:

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What could be more mysterious than the momentous discovery that recently

took place: the discovery that the subatomic particle known as the neutrino

has mass as well as pure energy. Why is this such an important discovery?

Because it can help explain how the stars, including the sun, produces heat

and light. It may explain why only a fraction of the material reality that

should make up the universe has been detected. The existence of the

neutrino's mass may eventually mean that the universe finally collapses

back in upon itself, instead of expanding outward forever. Right now, that

may not seem as important as whether it rains tomorrow morning, but

eventually it's going to make a big, big difference. From a scientific

point of view, hardly anything could be more significant than whether this

neutrino has a mass. That is VERY mysterious.

 

That's not the only mystery. Why was the mass of the neutrino so hard to

detect? Because all subatomic particles are like ghosts, able to pass

right through films or screens designed to trap and measure them - but none

of them is quite as ghostly as the neutrino. It has been theoretically

demonstrated that a neutrino could pass through six trillion miles of lead

without leaving the slightest trace that it had ever been there. In fact,

the neutrino was so elusive that more than 20 years elapsed between the

time that its existence was predicted and the actual discovery of the

particle. It is the composition of this incredible subtle entity that will

finally determine the fate of the universe. That, in my opinion, is very

mysterious. It is also the truth.

 

 

Love,

 

Deepak

[Guest guest]

Dear Wendy, Namaste.

Why does this article prove that we're in Dwapara Yuga?

Best wishes, Visti.

 

 

 

> Dear Mani, Ernst, et al,

>

> In light of the current discussion regarding present Yuga cycle I'm

> forwarding this article by Deepak. This latest discovery seems (to me) to be

> pretty strong evidence that we are indeed in Dwapara Yuga (according to Sri

> Yukteswar's definition) and not Kali Yuga as some maintain.

>

> Regards

> Wendy

>

> ABREVIATED ARTICLE:

> ===================

> What could be more mysterious than the momentous discovery that recently

> took place: the discovery that the subatomic particle known as the neutrino

> has mass as well as pure energy. Why is this such an important discovery?

> Because it can help explain how the stars, including the sun, produces heat

> and light. It may explain why only a fraction of the material reality that

> should make up the universe has been detected. The existence of the

> neutrino's mass may eventually mean that the universe finally collapses

> back in upon itself, instead of expanding outward forever. Right now, that

> may not seem as important as whether it rains tomorrow morning, but

> eventually it's going to make a big, big difference. From a scientific

> point of view, hardly anything could be more significant than whether this

> neutrino has a mass. That is VERY mysterious.

>

> That's not the only mystery. Why was the mass of the neutrino so hard to

> detect? Because all subatomic particles are like ghosts, able to pass

> right through films or screens designed to trap and measure them - but none

> of them is quite as ghostly as the neutrino. It has been theoretically

> demonstrated that a neutrino could pass through six trillion miles of lead

> without leaving the slightest trace that it had ever been there. In fact,

> the neutrino was so elusive that more than 20 years elapsed between the

> time that its existence was predicted and the actual discovery of the

> particle. It is the composition of this incredible subtle entity that will

> finally determine the fate of the universe. That, in my opinion, is very

> mysterious. It is also the truth.

>

>

> Love,

>

> Deepak

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

VISTI WROTE:

 

Dear Wendy, Namaste.

Why does this article prove that we're in Dwapara Yuga?

Best wishes, Visti.

--------------------------

 

Hello Visti,

 

Well of course it doesn't PROVE anything at all...but the fact that man's

understanding has gone well beyond the atomic level to now unravelling (and

understanding) the complex mysteries of the subatomic level of creation,

suggests that Kali Yuga may well be behind us...our accomplishments, our

advancement certainly seems to indicate this is so according to Sri

Yukteswar's description of man's level of understanding in the different

Yugas.

 

Wendy

[Guest guest]

Namaste Wendy.

We just entered Satya(Krta) Chakra in 2000, after having completed 120 years of

Kali Chakra.. couldn't that explain it? Yugas are very long cycles, surely not

everything "bad" happens in a Kali Yuga, how about its Sub-cycles(Maha Chakra,

Chakra..)?

 

Best wishes, Visti.

 

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Wendy Vasicek <wenvas

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> VISTI WROTE:

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> Dear Wendy, Namaste.

> Why does this article prove that we're in Dwapara Yuga?

> Best wishes, Visti.

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>

> Hello Visti,

>

> Well of course it doesn't PROVE anything at all...but the fact that man's

> understanding has gone well beyond the atomic level to now unravelling (and

> understanding) the complex mysteries of the subatomic level of creation,

> suggests that Kali Yuga may well be behind us...our accomplishments, our

> advancement certainly seems to indicate this is so according to Sri

> Yukteswar's description of man's level of understanding in the different

> Yugas.

>

> Wendy

>

>

>

>

>

>

> gjlist-

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> Your use of is subject to

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[Guest guest]

Om Krishnaaya Namah

 

Hi Everybody,

 

With all due respect to Sri Yukesvara, I wish to present the other side of

the yuga controversy which supports that idea that we are still in the Kali

Yuga, on the basis of Vedic scripture. We've had this debate on this list

before, and as I remember it, Sri Yuktesvara proposed that the Kali Yuga

lasts 1200 human years (correct me if I am wrong please), whereas the other

side to the argument is that it is 1200 "divine years" (of the demigods),

which comes to 432,000. Apart from that fact that there is some scriptural

basis for assuming Kali Yuga to last 1200 "divine years", another things

that makes me reluctant to accept it as 1200 human years is the fact that

there are certain passages in the scriptures which clearly contradict this

idea. I present a few below from the Brahma Vaivarta Purana. In Sri Krsna

Janma Kanda, at one point, Mother Ganga asks Lord Krsna what would happen to

her after He returns to Goloka. The initial reply is this:

 

"sri-bhagavaan uvaacha

kaleh pamchasahasraani

varshaani tishtha bhutale

paapaani paapino yaani

tubhyam daasyamti snaanatah"

 

"The Supreme Lord said: On the earth 5000 years of Kali will be sinful and

sinners will deposit their sins in you by bathing."

 

So this is one verse which mentions kali yuga being longer than 1200 years.

A couple of verses later, Lord Krsna says:

 

"kaler dasa-sahasraani"

madbhaktaah samti bhu-tale

ekavarnaa bhavishyamti

madbhakteshu gateshu ca"

 

"For 10000 years of kali such devotees of mine will fill the whole planet.

After the departure of My devotees there will only be one varna."

 

So this verse also suggests that Kali yuga is longer than 1200 years. Then

there are the predictive statements found in the scriptures. I don't

remember what yuga Lord Buddha's appearance takes place in by Sri

Yuktesvara's definition, although according to the Purana's, it should be

the Kali Yuga. However, there are also predictions in the Puranas which

state that Lord Chaitanya would be born in the FIRST part of Kali yuga. Last

time we had this debate, it was mentioned that by Sri Yuktesvara's

definition, Lord Chaitanya was born near the end of Kali yuga, but the

Puranas often state it should be the beginning:

 

The Padma Purana:

 

"kaleh prathama-sandhyayam

gaurangotham mahi-tale

bhagirathi-tate ramye

bhavisyami sachi-sutah"

 

"I shall appear on this earth in the FIRST part of Kali-Yuga in a beautiful

place on the bank of the Bhagirathi. I shall have a golden form, and I shall

take birth as the son of Sachi."

 

The Brahma Purana:

 

"kaleh prathama sandhyayam

gaurangotham mahi-tale

bhagirathi-tate bhumni

bhavisyami sachi-sutah"

 

"I will reveal my eternal golden form in the FIRST part of Kali-Yuga. I will

advent on the earth on the bank of the Bhagirathi."

 

The Garuda Purana:

 

"aham purno bhavisyami

yuga-sandhyau visesatah

mayapure navadvipe

bhavisyami sachi sutah"

 

"I will take birth as the son of Sachi, in Navadvipa-Mayapura. I will come

in my complete spiritual form in the FIRST part of Kali-Yuga."

 

The Nrsimha Purana:

 

"satye daitya-kuladhi-nasa-samaye

simhordhva-martyakrtis

tretayam dasa-kandharam

paribhavan rameti namakrtih

gopalan paripalayan vraja-pure

bharam haran dvapare

gaurangah priya-kirtanah

kali-yuge chaitanya-nama prabhuh"

 

"The Supreme Personality of Godhead who in the Satya-Yuga appeared as a

half-man, half-lion to cure a terrible disease that had ravaged the daityas,

and who in the Treta-Yuga appeared as a person named Rama, a person who

defeated the ten-headed Demon Ravana, and who in the Dvapara-Yuga removed

the earth's burden, and protected the Gopa people of Vraja-pura, will appear

again in the Kali-Yuga. His form will be golden, He will delight in chanting

the Lord's holy names, and His name will be Chaitanya."

 

Similarly there are many quotes in the sastras which mention Lord

Chaitanya's coming as being in the Kali Yuga, but the above specifically

mention the first part of kali yuga. Furthermore, there are many other

things which have been predicted to happen at the end of the kali yuga, most

notably the incarnation of Lord Vishnu as Lord Kalki. These have not yet

taken place. Apart from this, the scriptural definition of the yugas talks

little about man's scientific advancement. While there are references which

occasionally state we become much dumber, there are a lot more discussing

the spiritually degraded conditions of the kali yuga. As regards the fact

that we are now scientifically advanced, there is evidence (albeit

controversial evidence) that in previous yugas, people were more advanced

than we are. There is a huge amount of evidence supporting the idea that

there were vimanas. Mention of Brahmastras and other weapons which are

amazingly similar in their destructive capabilities to modern nuclear

weapons (in fact even more destrcutive). I seem to remember that the

Mahabharata or Vishnu Purana mentions at some point that Arjuna actually

travelled to another solar system (I don't have the exact reference with me

so my memory is a bit hazy about the exact details). I think the Vishnu

Purana also mentions "celestial pathways" through certain constellations

that lead to other places in the Universe etc. No doubt this is going to

seem like science fiction to many, but at the same time the level of detail

and the emergence of certain facts that have only been discovered recently

(yet clearly there in sastra) do make one wonder whether we really are as

advanced as we like to think.

 

That's my take.

 

Thanks,

 

Pursottam

[Guest guest]

Pursottam, Visti, et al,

 

As I personally have not studied this complex issue to any great degree, I

cannot debate it...however it might be worth mentioning that a leading story

on tonight's news was about a new Cancer wing opening at one of our major

hospitals...the story was newsworthy because this major hospital is now

offering massage, aromatherapy and meditation as part of the treatment plan

for cancer patients...this is not just some side therapy to help boost the

morale of seriously ill patients, but is being recognised as a legitimate

form of treatment.

 

This suggests a far more enlightened consciousness is emerging in mainstream

society...more in accord with Dwapara Yuga than Kali Yuga I would venture to

say.

 

However I shall have to leave the serious discussion of who appeared when or

where, or whether we're counting human years or divine years, to our

sanscrit scholars and enlightened sages.

 

Wendy

[Guest guest]

Pursottam wrote:

 

>

> "sri-bhagavaan uvaacha

> kaleh pamchasahasraani

> varshaani tishtha bhutale

> paapaani paapino yaani

> tubhyam daasyamti snaanatah"

>

> "The Supreme Lord said: On the earth 5000 years of Kali will be sinful and

> sinners will deposit their sins in you by bathing."

 

Hi Pursottam,

 

Taking Kali roughly as starting around 3100 BC, the 5000 years will end in 2100

AD. Does it mean that people will stop bathing in the Ganga - OR - that there

will be no more sinners who go to the Ganga - Or - that there will be no more

sinners at all?

 

 

 

> madbhaktaah samti bhu-tale

> ekavarnaa bhavishyamti

> madbhakteshu gateshu ca"

>

> "For 10000 years of kali such devotees of mine will fill the whole planet.

> After the departure of My devotees there will only be one varna."

 

How does one interpret this? Will the non-devotees live on erath - but with one

varna? Will all have one profession only?

 

 

> "kaleh prathama-sandhyayam

> gaurangotham mahi-tale

> bhagirathi-tate ramye

> bhavisyami sachi-sutah"

 

"aham purno bhavisyami

yuga-sandhyau visesatah

mayapure navadvipe

bhavisyami sachi sutah"

 

"I will take birth as the son of Sachi, in Navadvipa-Mayapura. I will come

in my complete spiritual form in the FIRST part of Kali-Yuga."

 

I find Nawadwip and Mayapur very far apart, only Navadwip is really on the banks

of the river. Mayapur is much further south. Was a parent called Sachi?

 

The list of avatars is not identical in all the puranas, some leave out Buddha,

after Krishna only kalki seems to be common to all. The attitude towards Buddha

also seems to be a bit divided. Just wondering, not challenging anything!

 

regards

Mani

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Hi Mani,

There is a book which, in my opinion, contains an answer to this question:

"Conversations with God" by Neale Donald Walsch. German tranlation is also

available, but I don't have it in german so I'm not sure abot the title of

the german edition, probably "Gespräche mit Gott"

Love,

Liliana

 

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>Apart from the academic interest, how does the yuga affect us? Any

>assurance that we are living in Sathya Yuga or chakra doesn´t fill me with

>any elation! I see the world as it is: you can watch children playing and

>sing, "what a wonderful world this is...", or watch the TV and feel

>miserable.... The best yuga is when the world is as wonderful as it could

>or should be!

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Om Krishnaaya Namah

 

Hi Mani!

 

Again, apologies for not replying sooner!

 

 

>

> Taking Kali roughly as starting around 3100 BC, the 5000 years

> will end in 2100

> AD. Does it mean that people will stop bathing in the Ganga - OR

> - that there

> will be no more sinners who go to the Ganga - Or - that there

> will be no more

> sinners at all?

>

 

To tell you the truth, I haven't actually thought about the predictive sides

to these verses. My only point was to show that there were verses that

contradict a kali yuga of 1200 years. But I don't think it means that as

soon as one reaches the 5000 year mark not a single person will bathe in

Mother Ganga. I think it's more a generalisation that there will be a major

decline in the number of people observing such customs. Actually the verses

following seem to imply that the first 5000 years of Kali yuga, sins are

washed away predominently by bathing in the Ganga., and after those 5000

years, chanting God's name will be the main "method" used to wash away sins.

Here's the next two verses FYI:

 

"man-mamtropaasakasparsaad

bhasmibhutaani tatkshanaat

bhavishyamti darsanaacca

snaanaadeva hi jaahnavi"

 

"Thereafter by the sight and touch of those who worship me by my mantra, all

those sins will be burnt."

 

"harernaamaani yatraiva

puraanaani bhavamti hi

tatra gatvaa saavadhaanam

aabhih saarddham ca sroshyasi"

 

"There will be chanting of the name of Hari and reading of the Purana.

Reaching such a place, attentively hear."

 

Of course we won't know exactly what happens till we comes back again!

 

>

> How does one interpret this? Will the non-devotees live on erath

> - but with one

> varna? Will all have one profession only?

>

 

Again, I'm not entirely sure. Perhaps it's what the Mahabharata means when

it says everyone is born in Kali yuga a sudra. It also says one becomes a

brahmana by one's activities. Perhaps interest in such brahminical

activities will no longer interest people. Also, again it's probably a

generalisation, as there are other references to saintly brahmanas and

Kshatriyas even near the end of kali yuga - the prime example being Vishnu

Yasha, the future father of Lord Sri Kalki.

 

 

>

> "I will take birth as the son of Sachi, in Navadvipa-Mayapura. I will come

> in my complete spiritual form in the FIRST part of Kali-Yuga."

>

> I find Nawadwip and Mayapur very far apart, only Navadwip is

> really on the banks

> of the river. Mayapur is much further south. Was a parent called Sachi?

 

I've not actually been to Mayapur so I don't know the geography of the area

as it's often missing on atlases. But I assume Navadvipa is a town or

village in the city of Mayapur. Like we have so many towns within London

here. Perhaps someone who's been there can correct me. Sachi was the name of

Lord Chaitanya's mother. His own name, and that of His mother is predicted

in many shastras. The Vayu Purana also predicts His janma nakshatra and

tithi, as well as His place of birth, mother's name, His own name, and that

He would take birth in a Brahmana family.

 

>

> The list of avatars is not identical in all the puranas, some

> leave out Buddha,

> after Krishna only kalki seems to be common to all. The attitude

> towards Buddha

> also seems to be a bit divided. Just wondering, not challenging anything!

>

 

True. It is also worth remembering though, that the lists often miss of

certain incarnations later described. So the Puranas do have to be searched

deeply to find all incarnations.

 

Thanks for your patience,

 

Pursottam

 

 

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