Guest guest Posted May 26, 2001 Report Share Posted May 26, 2001 Dear Mani, yes I was reffering to Usha Sashi. Here is something interesting on the ayanamsa. Moola means the beggingin, commencement, root, etc. There have been some thories that the star Moola, or SHaula, should be 0 Sag. and that Moola should mark the begginign of the spot. I tried that and it didn't work very well. Then some say the galacitic center shoujld be 0 Sag, sounds great! Tried that two and doesn't yield great results. THen I thought about how the house cusps are the center of the house in Vedic Astrology so i though of putting the galacitic center at the center of Moola, at 6:40 Sag. Just to have fun. I was suprised but I had good luck with it. IN fact it is within 10 minutes of using ayanamsas based on revati, and within 10 minutes of an ayuanamsa using Mayan ideas of planetary cyles. There may be somehing to using an ayanamsa close to Revati. BOth the Greeks and Hindus considered revati, or a point close to revati as 0 Aries in the past. However, when they did so thier star catalogues where only accurate within 10 degrees of arc. So an ayanamsa with the Galactic center at the center of Moola supports some ancient theories as well and is reasonable. I had second best luck with this ayanamsa. Maybe becasue I have gotten secure with Lahiri, but I don't consider Lahiri to be 100% accurate so I keep learning as much as I can about astronomy and playing with it. It is interesting but according to some Sanksrit /Jyotish scholars, the first rasi was Chapa (Sagittarius), meaning bow, or arc. ANd that it was a while before other rasis where named, and after Chapa it was probably Mithuna. In Brihat Parashara Hora it is stated that Sagittarius adorns an arch, it is interestin, but in the galactic cetner there is a huge arc, which is one of the prominent features there. Please se the attachment. For those you may want to play with an ayanamsa based on the Galacitc center at the cetner of Moola, yo can set your customized ayanamsa setting to 20:11:11 for 1/1/200. BUt until we learn the true cause of precession we will not likely have a 100& accurate ayanamsa. Best, Ernst > Ernst Wilhelm wrote: > > Dear Mani, > > > > I havent found Tara Matas theory to work as well in practice as the Lahiri. > > But the fact that she breaks the course set in THe HOly SCience lets us get > > an idea that Sri Yuktesvar never formed an ayanmsa. > > So I take it that he postulated. > > > > > There are also some ayanamsas that you didn't metnion that have thier > > assummed begin date at the middle of the 6th century, and take Revati, or a > > point just 10 degrees East of Revati as the 1st degree of Aries. > > Are you referring to Usha-Sasi? > > > > It is my opinion that the HOly Science does give the correct theory to > > establish an ayanamsa. Sri Yuktesvar states that when the Sun, revolving > > around its dual is furthest opposite VishnuNabhi, the galacitc center I > > presume, the zodiacs coincide. So if we could just find this dual star, we > > could figure it out. > > This would be great! > > > > > Sri Yuktesvar states that in the kali yuga man's consciousness is only aware > > of the gross matter, the atom, the smallest physical building block. In the > > Dwapara Yuga he states man becomes aware of the atomic energies. We have > > learned about the atomic energies, so by that definition we are in the > > Dvapara Yuga. Just because of wars, etc does not mean we are not in Dvapara > > Yuga, Ravana terrorized the Earth in Tetra Yuga, so a Hitler, etc seems to > > fit right into the Dvapara Yuga. > > This takes a very intellectual, not to say "material" view of the yuga stages, > leaves out the moral side. The argument about Ravana in thretha yuga has two > "short" legs! I do not know how Yukteswar´s yugas work backwards to the time of > Rama. If we go by the usual yuga periods, Rama could have never lived in India - > which I doubt anyhow - but on Atlantis! But the other side is more important, > IMHO. There has to be evil at all times, even in the best of yugas. The black > spot in the ying-yang white field. Ravana did not really terrorize the world, > was actually a devotee of Siva. only his falling in love with Sita made him > "bad". Even then he did not rape her, but kept postponing the date for the act! > The evil was isolated. Evil was limited. > > But in the 20th century evil was widespread. And morals were disregarde all > over. Goodness was limited, the white dot in the black field. > > I think that Yukteswar took the end of the "dark ages" as a turn for all-round > improvement. That science would help to better the life of human beings. It was > a time of peace and discovery, of hope for a better world. > > In principle I think he was right in his exposition, but if he lived today, he´d > probably revise his thesis, correct the timing. > > > > > ANyway, the discussion of the Yugas is unfortunately a "religious" subject > > and everyone has thier views on it, as long as a person's views on it help > > them to live better lives and have greater care for thier fellow mankind, > > its all right by me. > > These discussions are only academic, for we can change nothing. So your last > sentence is what counts! Amen! We must keep the white spot in our hearts and > ignore the black field around us. > > regards > Mani > > Ps: I find Fagan´s ayanamsa best, with parallaxed moon! What with most stars > having a longitudinal proper motion, I think it is not correct to take any > particular star as a marker, except as a rough guide. The galactic centre idea > is very appealing, but its position as given does not suit very well as a > marker. The star Alcyone also has something to say! A kind of resultant has to > be found. > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2001 Report Share Posted May 26, 2001 Ernst Wilhelm wrote: > Dear Mani, .............. > For those you may want to play with an ayanamsa based on the Galacitc center > at the cetner of Moola, yo can set your customized ayanamsa setting to > 20:11:11 for 1/1/200. Dear Ernst, The given value seems funny to me. You probably mean 1/1/ 2000! The GC was at 25:28 on 1/1/1900 and that means an ayanamsa for that date was 18:48. regards Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2001 Report Share Posted May 26, 2001 gjlist, "Ernst Wilhelm" <ernst@v...> wrote: > Dear Mani, > It is interesting but according to some Sanksrit /Jyotish scholars, the > first rasi was Chapa (Sagittarius), meaning bow, or arc. ANd that it was a > while before other rasis where named, and after Chapa it was probably > Mithuna. In Brihat Parashara Hora it is stated that Sagittarius adorns an > arch, it is interestin, but in the galactic cetner there is a huge arc, > which is one of the prominent features there. Please see the attachment. > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah! Namaste dear Ernst!! it seems that you can't add "attachments" to the postings dear brother, but you CAN upload them to the "files" section of Goravani Jyotish list...Currently there is NOTHING in those files...so i'm sure there's room... you could check with Dasji first, i suppose.... anyways, would you at least kindly send me the mentioned attachment at my above address...the last part of it which is in "...." is cutting off the address...but since now you know it...it should be no problem... i am VERY interested in the investigations around Mula and the Galactic Centre...it seems that many of Amma's devotees have a planet or the ascendant in Mula, or directly aspecting Mula from Gemini. i have Mercury (Jaimini Atmakaraka of my Guru) there in my 12th house, and Amma Herself (my Guru), has Guru in Gemini directly aspecting Mula (within the span of degrees that Mula is in!) so this arouses my interest, especially after looking at a few Amma devotees' charts!! any ideas about the possible significance of this??? in my speculations i speculated that Amma had come from the Galactic Center, THRU Mula to this Earth, and brought with Her all Her devotees, Her Children....and scattered them all over the Earth, like a person will throw the flowers, when doing Archana...or as part of the Puja...and all the flowers are Her children, each of Whom is intimately connected with Her...each of whom is given a Divine Name,....and each of Whom is intended to further Amma's world mission....that's it for my "crazy" theory! i love your explanations re Sri Yukteswar, who is one of my all time Heroes, so to speak, along with His entire lineage of Gurus, including Paramahansaji, who i believe, actually brought me to Amma, as i had been calling and calling just as He had suggested, to the Divine Mother....i had even blown up a picture of the Devi from Yoganandaji's books, and coloured it...framed it, put it on the altar and following Yoganandaji's instructions starting calling and asking Her to reveal Herself...it wasn't long (i had also coloured Her with a Green Sari as i may have mentioned)...before i met my Amma, and a few years later discovered that Her Atmakaraka is Mercury, whose colour is Green... well, enough rambling... thanks for your wonderful input into this discussion... in Her Divine Love, and in Her Service, as ever, Your Own Self, visvanathan Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2001 Report Share Posted May 27, 2001 Yes, typo, I meant 1/1/2000 Ernst - <subra <gjlist> Saturday, May 26, 2001 9:22 AM Re: [gjlist] Re: Ayanamsha and galactic center > Ernst Wilhelm wrote: > > Dear Mani, > ............. > > For those you may want to play with an ayanamsa based on the Galacitc center > > at the cetner of Moola, yo can set your customized ayanamsa setting to > > 20:11:11 for 1/1/200. > > Dear Ernst, > > The given value seems funny to me. You probably mean 1/1/ 2000! The GC was at > 25:28 on 1/1/1900 and that means an ayanamsa for that date was 18:48. > > regards > Mani > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2001 Report Share Posted May 27, 2001 Ernst Wilhelm wrote: > Dear Mani, > It is interesting but according to some Sanksrit /Jyotish scholars, the > first rasi was Chapa (Sagittarius), meaning bow, or arc. ANd that it was a > while before other rasis where named, and after Chapa it was probably > Mithuna. In Brihat Parashara Hora it is stated that Sagittarius adorns an > arch, it is interestin, but in the galactic cetner there is a huge arc, > which is one of the prominent features there. Please se the attachment. ATTACHMENT is missing! Please send. regards Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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