Guest guest Posted May 19, 2001 Report Share Posted May 19, 2001 DR means "Das Rave". Hope that's ok. If not, I give it up to more public wishes. ----------------------- Dear Sabine, Fairing well today. Things are going well. Apparently, there are upward spirals as well as down. I'm on an upward one, so things all over are improving each other, like if you improve with your kids, that helps with the ex, then the ex's friends, your ex friends, begin to like you more again too. If you change your diet, your mood improves, which makes you more able to go out and do stuff for other people. They then like you more, and invite you somewhere. When you go there, you meet someone new, who tells you something how to improve some part of your life. Then you do that, which helps you to meet new people all the more. So the upward spiral I am on now. The middle point, when the planet stations so to speak, is where the utter confusion lives, like standing in the doorway not sure which way to go, forward, backward, etc. I went forward due to knowing that backward meant more suffering. It's working. Now the up spiral is happening, and thus it feeds itself. But there are those who are now dieing, fast or slow. What of that? How does one live when there is no motivation to go on materially, no hope that some disease will part. I still have some hope of "a better life", which shows ignorance and attachment to some degree. (Ignorance of larger truths, attachment to smaller rewards) What if this hope is impossible in the intelligent mind of someone slowly dieing? They may have to resort to extreme devotions, though at first, these will be applied with great difficulty, thus some imbalances will show. After some time, they may get better at being accepting of their gradual demise, which we all are experiencing currently, but are either aware or unaware of it. Actually, we are all dieing right now, all getting some heavy diseases right now, but we're just not aware of it. Inasmuch as so much proceeds the dropping a bomb, so that preparation stage the victim is unaware of, til the moment of explosion. "You have terminal Cancer" That's the bomb. The gestation for this inside your body is years in the making, and out of the control of the "experiencee" in fact. So identity confusions and abandonment (even by God) issues arise as we face death, and the potential for extreme emotions of self protection and gratification. That is why it is a fact that depression and addiction are higher amongst the elderly of all races, as well as higher amongst persons who experience trauma in life, or high stress. We are fragile, and want happiness. Note it. We are not meant or constructed to well handle stress, pain, death, mortality in general. We seem to seek abundance, love, peace, happiness, pleasure, and so on. We should off these things to each other. dg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2001 Report Share Posted May 19, 2001 Dear Das, I know this was addressed to Sabine, but I'd like, if I may, address a point that you made.... YOU WROTE: ========== But there are those who are now dieing, fast or slow. What of that? How does one live when there is no motivation to go on materially, no hope that some disease will part. I still have some hope of "a better life", which shows ignorance and attachment to some degree. (Ignorance of larger truths, attachment to smaller rewards) What if this hope is impossible in the intelligent mind of someone slowly dieing? ================================= The fact is Das, that from the moment of birth we're all slowly dying, in the interim we live the life allotted to us and experience the fruits of our karma, good or bad ...whatever it may be...that's what life in this world is all about..."maya" (the mind's dream)! Some might be having a good dream, for others it might be a nightmare. There are some however who see through the illusion and realise that whatever appears to be happening is little more than the outer projection of "mind". The true (inner) self is separate and apart from this worldly happiness/unhappiness illusion. So what if someone faces a life of disease and poverty...true happiness is not dependant on worldly success, or bodily comfort. If it was, then there truly would be no hope for the future...and what "future" are we talking about anyway...everything must die, everyone sooner or later wakes up from this dream. As astrologers we know that the karma we all live through is reflected in horoscope. Therefore to talk of it freely and openly can aid in our understanding of astrology...but we should remember that all we're understanding is someone's karma...the manifestation of mind! Mind creates our dream and we believe it to be real.... Doesn't jyotish teach us that it's the passage of Moon (mind) through the nakshatras that determines our destiny. The whole purpose of all meditation (or devotional) techniques is to go beyond the mind, beyond the illusion, beyond the "karma" and experience ones "true" nature. There are many ways, many Gurus, many methods...but if practiced diligently all will lead to the same place. The notion that happiness depends on material, or even bodily, comfort is false! The notion that we're bearing our "soul" to another when we "open up" and confess this or that dark secret is also false...we're not bearing our soul, we're bearing our Karma, that's all! A great human weakness I see here (and this applies especially to myself) is that, for reasons due to conflicting karmas, we can develop likes/dislikes towards particular individuals. We can then find ourselves focusing on certain areas of their horoscope and thinking such thoughts as; "Ha! this is why this person is...(whatever negative thing may be in our mind about them)" The notion that "it's just karma" seems to apply more easily when judging ourself than it does when judging another :-) I hang my head in shame when I think how I've judged others. Regards Wendy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2001 Report Share Posted May 20, 2001 Wendy Vasicek wrote: > Dear Das, > > I know this was addressed to Sabine, but I'd like, if I may, address a point > that you made.... > > YOU WROTE: > ========== > But there are those who are now dieing, fast or slow. What of that? How does > one live when there is no motivation to go on materially, no hope that some > disease will part. I still have some hope of "a better life", which shows > ignorance and attachment to some degree. (Ignorance of larger truths, > attachment to smaller rewards) > > What if this hope is impossible in the intelligent mind of someone slowly > dieing? > ================================= > > The fact is Das, that from the moment of birth we're all slowly dying, in > the interim we live the life allotted to us and experience the fruits of our > karma, good or bad ...whatever it may be...that's what life in this world is > all about..."maya" (the mind's dream)! Some might be having a good dream, > for others it might be a nightmare. There are some however who see through > the illusion and realise that whatever appears to be happening is little > more than the outer projection of "mind". > > The true (inner) self is separate and apart from this worldly > happiness/unhappiness illusion. So what if someone faces a life of disease > and poverty...true happiness is not dependant on worldly success, or bodily > comfort. If it was, then there truly would be no hope for the future...and > what "future" are we talking about anyway...everything must die, everyone > sooner or later wakes up from this dream. > > As astrologers we know that the karma we all live through is reflected in > horoscope. Therefore to talk of it freely and openly can aid in our > understanding of astrology...but we should remember that all we're > understanding is someone's karma...the manifestation of mind! Mind creates > our dream and we believe it to be real.... Doesn't jyotish teach us that > it's the passage of Moon (mind) through the nakshatras that determines our > destiny. > > The whole purpose of all meditation (or devotional) techniques is to go > beyond the mind, beyond the illusion, beyond the "karma" and experience ones > "true" nature. There are many ways, many Gurus, many methods...but if > practiced diligently all will lead to the same place. > > The notion that happiness depends on material, or even bodily, comfort is > false! > > The notion that we're bearing our "soul" to another when we "open up" and > confess this or that dark secret is also false...we're not bearing our soul, > we're bearing our Karma, that's all! > > A great human weakness I see here (and this applies especially to myself) is > that, for reasons due to conflicting karmas, we can develop likes/dislikes > towards particular individuals. We can then find ourselves focusing on > certain areas of their horoscope and thinking such thoughts as; "Ha! this is > why this person is...(whatever negative thing may be in our mind about > them)" > > The notion that "it's just karma" seems to apply more easily when judging > ourself than it does when judging another :-) > > I hang my head in shame when I think how I've judged others. > > Regards > Wendy > Hi Wendy You Have nothing to be a shamed of! Your wisdom and kindness is light years ahead of the average person. To judge is no more then a part of evolution, an element created by the self induced hypnotic state of individualism which is left over from the survival instinct, which is created by lack of contemplation of eternity, which is a normal process in this illusion of life and death. My grandmother use to say if you lay down with dogs you get up with fleas! It is our disgust of the fleas that make us evolve, (this is their job) and with out righteous judgment (Wisdom) we wouldn't know the fleas existed. Bless you my friend! .......Noel > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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