Guest guest Posted May 18, 2001 Report Share Posted May 18, 2001 Carolhook wrote: > There was an astrological birth control method that Astro Computing > Services, Inc. offered computations for, during the seventies, which was > called the "Jonas" method after its discovery by a doctor Jonas, if I have > that correctly recalled. Dear carol, This Jonas method is interesting, but also a fishy ... Jonah was swallowed by a fish! For one thing it does not seem to tally with the medical info I got from Encarta Encyclpaedia. It completely leaves out the menstruation cycle. If a woman was born on new-moon or full-moon day and menstruation occurs during those days she will remain infertile for a long time, unless the cycle changes somehow drastically! If she has sun and moon 90° apart, she will have two fertility periods about 13 days apart, which doesn´t seem to be possible - unless I got it wrong. So I think it is very dicey to go by astrology. Not that astrology is junk, but we just don´t enough to rely on our methods. Apart from that, I have philosophical doubts about medical astrology. I personally believe that the body and souls are different and live in symbiosis. The body is a "mundane" consciousness, whose sole aim is to survive and reproduce, to provide bodies for astral souls to incarnate. We read the charts for the TOB, when the astral soul appears on earth in its mundane body. Certain health matters can no doubt be seen from this chart, but more as "environment" and "housing" of the soul. To really understand the conditions of the body I think the chart of actual conception is necessary - and how do you get that reliably? BTW "birth control" is not only prevention of pregnancy, but in the sense of family planning, it includes promoting of pregnancy when desired. If sterility is a problem, ISCADOR injections usuall help! regards Mani Here the article from Encarta: During each menstrual cycle, a woman's fertile period begins with ovulation (the release of an egg from one of the ovaries) and continues for about ten days. In natural family planning a woman identifies this fertile period using one of three methods: basal body temperature, cervical mucus, and calendar or rhythm. The basal body temperature method measures variations in body temperature to determine when ovulation has occurred. Normally, body temperature decreases slightly just before ovulation and begins to rise for several days afterward. The temperature remains slightly elevated until menstruation begins. With this method, a woman takes her temperature every morning before getting out of bed using a basal thermometer, which has an expanded scale to show slight changes in temperature between 36° C (96° F) and 38° C (100° F). While this method is effective in determining the time of ovulation, the beginning of a woman's fertile period may occur two days before ovulation. Since sperm can live for up to 48 hours in a woman's body, a woman who has unprotected sexual intercourse just before she ovulates may become pregnant if the sperm are still alive when the egg reaches the uterus. This method may be ineffective if a woman is sick or under stress because lack of sleep and illness can change a woman's body temperature. The cervical mucus method requires a woman to examine the mucus from her cervix (small organ that connects the uterus to the vagina) to determine her fertile period. The consistency and amount of cervical mucus changes as hormone levels vary during the menstrual cycle. Just after the menstrual period, little or no mucus is discharged for several days. After that, discharged mucus may be thick, sticky, and yellow or white. When a woman is in her most fertile period, this mucus becomes clear, wet, and slippery. The mucus then becomes thick and sticky again or disappears until after the menstrual period. The consistency of cervical mucus can be affected by medications such as antihistamines that change mucus production throughout the body, and by spermicides, sexual intercourse, vaginal infections, or the use of douches. In the calendar or rhythm method, a woman keeps a record of at least six menstrual cycles and uses the record to determine which days she is most likely to be fertile during an average menstrual cycle. One difficulty with this method is that fertile periods can vary from cycle to cycle. _ "Natural Family Planning," Microsoft® Encarta® Encyclopedia 2000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2001 Report Share Posted May 18, 2001 Dear Mani, I'm afraid I have to endorse what Ilona said...completely! Well said Ilona! Birth rectification is based on verifying major events manifested through Vimsottari...such as birth of children, marriage, death of parents, major life changes, etc...this could not be possible if birth of children (or not) where dependent solely on modern-day birth control methods. When children are due to be born, they WILL be, birth control or not. If modern techniques that aid infertile couples to have children are employed, this will be seen in chart as difficulties effecting fertility, whatever... Regards Wendy MANI WROTE: =========== So I think it is very dicey to go by astrology. Not that astrology is junk, but we just don´t enough to rely on our methods. Apart from that, I have philosophical doubts about medical astrology. I personally believe that the body and souls are different and live in symbiosis. The body is a "mundane" consciousness, whose sole aim is to survive and reproduce, to provide bodies for astral souls to incarnate. We read the charts for the TOB, when the astral soul appears on earth in its mundane body. Certain health matters can no doubt be seen from this chart, but more as "environment" and "housing" of the soul. To really understand the conditions of the body I think the chart of actual conception is necessary - and how do you get that reliably? BTW "birth control" is not only prevention of pregnancy, but in the sense of family planning, it includes promoting of pregnancy when desired. If sterility is a problem, ISCADOR injections usuall help! regards Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2001 Report Share Posted May 18, 2001 Wendy Vasicek wrote: > Dear Mani, > > I'm afraid I have to endorse what Ilona said...completely! Well said Ilona! > > Birth rectification is based on verifying major events manifested through > Vimsottari...such as birth of children, marriage, death of parents, major > life changes, etc...this could not be possible if birth of children (or not) > where dependent solely on modern-day birth control methods. When children > are due to be born, they WILL be, birth control or not. If modern techniques > that aid infertile couples to have children are employed, this will be seen > in chart as difficulties effecting fertility, whatever... Dear Wendy, I agrree(d) but also disagree! Ilona and you are stating the totally fatalistic/predetermination view. This makes all yyothish a purely predictive system, with no way of changing things. Even mantras and talismans, if effective, will also be "seen" in the charts, even this discussion is perhaps pre-destined. I personally do not quite agree with this view. For me "the stars impel, do not compel!" My paranormal experiences tell me that things are not all that rigid. There are milestones in life and lives, which are unavoidable. But there are apparently stretches where things are in flux. Can one tell somebody, "your chart shows no kids or kids at this period. so don´t bother about precautions"? OR "Even if you remain celibate now you will get pregnant"? Or"Your chart shows long life. So you can safely gulp cyanide or hemlock"? Why were there so many recommendations about eating good food if a person is going to be sick anyway? The point is this: if we make efforts to achieve some goal - or avoid a problem - and succed, fine. We can be proud of our efforts and also thank the grahas. If we fail, we can blame them. But if we make no effort and fail, we can blame the grahas, but we will never stop blaming ourselves for not having tried! There is just no way of proving these things, because we never get two identical cases to check alternatives. Even the twin case with only 2 minutes difference in TOB shows differences in the chart, as you yourself pointed out. The person who asked about birth control obviously does not believe in total compulsion by the chart. The implied question was, "How does one determine fertile periods so as to take precautions?" So i gave the answer I thought woiuld suit her. ilona´s or your experience is not necessarily universal. Your partners and children may be the inevitable milestones. But others may not be tied that way. IMHO the wife or husband is usually a big milestone (sometimes a mill stone!), for that partnership experience is very fundamental experience. But children who spend their childhood with the parents but then go their ways are not such milestones, UNLESS there is a strong mutual interaction of some kind. Only such children HAVE to to born to THOSE parents. regards Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2001 Report Share Posted May 18, 2001 Dear Mani, somewhere I found this nice phrase: " The will is free - we have no other choice!" regards, Ilona ..... and now I will bite in your twincase, thanks for it, I love to work like COLUMBO... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2001 Report Share Posted May 18, 2001 Two more to add to that: "Standing still the grass grows by itself" (read many years ago in some Zen book) "We need do nothing but watch. Our destiny will unfold as it should...it has no choice!" (Deepak Chopra) ILONA WROTE: =========== Dear Mani, somewhere I found this nice phrase: " The will is free - we have no other choice!" regards, Ilona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2001 Report Share Posted May 18, 2001 A chairde... Why would you take the calculation of this cycle outside of the body?? There is a rhythm to your internal environment even if you believe you are intermittent with this (as I thought I was)... Admittedly, I have only loosely followed this thread... BUT...the book "Taking Charge of Your Fertility" by Toni Weschler worked for me....email me on a sidebar if you want more info... The external and internal are relational/reflective, this is true....but I'd trust my own body before trusting an interpretation of outside forces...it's not your body that fails you, it's your perceptions of the environment (often stemming from over intellectualizing--which I've been guilty of in the past)--just speaking from pragmatics ... Slante chugat, Kat The Fulcrum Manifesto: Left of the Right, and Right of the Left...Some-where in the center of the galaxy for the best measure of Self-exhumation and gravitational equipoise... If everybody thought before they spoke, the silence would be deafening. - George Barzan Humanity is condemned to be free; because once thrown into the world, each is responsible for everything one does. - Jean-Paul Sartre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2001 Report Share Posted May 19, 2001 That is a great book, but I found the results from it match the astrological check that I mentioned. I always reccomend that if a woman has some hormonal imbalances she check the astrolgical results with the methods outlined in that book. Take Care, Ernst - Kat and Kegan <naramundali <gjlist> Friday, May 18, 2001 9:15 AM [gjlist] Re: JT- Birth Control > A chairde... > > Why would you take the calculation of this cycle outside of the body?? > There is a rhythm to your internal environment even if you believe you are > intermittent with this (as I thought I was)... > > Admittedly, I have only loosely followed this thread... > > BUT...the book "Taking Charge of Your Fertility" by Toni Weschler worked > for me....email me on a sidebar if you want more info... > > The external and internal are relational/reflective, this is true....but > I'd trust my own body before trusting an interpretation of outside > forces...it's not your body that fails you, it's your perceptions of the > environment (often stemming from over intellectualizing--which I've been > guilty of in the past)--just speaking from pragmatics ... > > Slante chugat, > > Kat > > > The Fulcrum Manifesto: Left of the Right, and Right of the > Left...Some-where in the center of the galaxy for the best measure of > Self-exhumation and gravitational equipoise... > > If everybody thought before they spoke, the silence would be deafening. - > George Barzan > > Humanity is condemned to be free; because once thrown into the world, each > is responsible for everything one does. - Jean-Paul Sartre > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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