EITHER - OR, unfortunately...time pressure

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gjlist, HellmannC200@t... wrote:

> Dear mani,

> thanks for your reply. But what me burdens is the fact that

many

> good works simply "go under" in this jumble. So I would prefer a

clear line.

> Best wishes, Ilona

 

Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!!

 

Namaste dear pressed for time sisters and the rest too!!

 

as one of the ones who often is relating to the wider perspective of

what Jyotish is...i believe that almost everything that we are

discussing on this list IS JYOTISH and nothing but JYOTISH....

 

i am unsure as to what you mean when you say: "good works simply "go

under" in this jumble." first of all what "jumble"?...there is no

jumble as far as i can see...sometimes there are quiet times on the

list and other times there are very busy times...is that what you

mean...the busy times seem to be a jumble to you, because you don't

have time to actually go thru it all, and follow the lines of

argument...and thus it is confusing and a "jumble"?? this child is

only guessing...but that's what it seems you might mean..

 

Jyotish is not only those charts, and Grahas, and so on...it is the

RESULTS of all those combinations...and these results are expressed

thru the varied voices on the list....and sometimes the actual

technical Jyotish discussions are seemingly a lot more of a "jumble"

than the philosophically leaning ones....as the arguments fly back and

forth...

 

as for me, i PREFER the mix...the lists that are 100% technical

"Jyotish" i don't find nearly as interesting or stimulating

as Dasji's list...what i LOVE about this list IS the philosophizing

which is the Ground of Jyotish, the fertiliser of understandings which

will allow the students to see it in a greater light...Jyotish is not

just a science of numbers and lines with ancient texts which tell you

what they mean...if you want that...you can just GO to the ancient

texts themselves...

 

What we are expressing here in Dasji's list is actually to me the LIFE

and BREATH of Jyotish...the healthy exchange of information of

philosophy, and of numbers and lines...it's really all ONE...if you

don't like the Philosophy part,just delete those authors you know to

mainly be talking about what you don't want to read!!!that's what i do

on the other jyotish list that comes to my email box....

 

If you don't want to get all those letters, simply go to your account

at and change your preferences to "no mail"...and you can

look at whatever mail you like ON THE SITE...with NO MAIL to your

box...this works very well for me...i just go to .groups, and

read the ones that look interesting...and for me the ones that look

interesting usually have Das Goravani, or Mani's name (as well as a

host of others!!) attached...they are the ones i read FIRST because

dear sister, my brother Dasji and Maniji have the most incredible

Sakti...the most incredible JUICE...they are HIGH and i want to have

some of their nectar too...so like Rahu, i sneak into their letters,

and steal the nectar....and BOY DO I GET HIGH!!!!

 

Whereas when i read some of the strictly "jyotish" technical letters,

i find myself dropping off...too technical, too complicated... doesn't

appply to MY life...some of them are very juicy too, i don't want

anyone to feel insulted...but to me THE MOST JUICY, AND MOST INSPIRING

OF ALL THE LETTERS ON THIS GORAVANI JYOTISHI LIST are INSPIRED THRU

SPIRIT, and ARE in fact, THE VOICE of spirit SPEAKING Thru

Jyotish....jyotish is a means to an end..and that end is

liberation...any other end is really a prostitution of the Mother

Jyotir Sri Vidya...to this end, we Jyotishis NEED to exchange and have

SATSANG with each other...this SATSANG is NOT limited to numbers and

Parasharas ancient texts...it is actually about Spirit...and if you

don't have time for spirit, i am very much afraid, that you are

missing the essence of the Jyotish....

 

Thus when i see Dasji writing these wonderful long rambles i rejoice!!

i start to giggle!!...i am so HAPPY for my dear friend Dasji, that

he's found his voice again...to me this is a wonderful blessing to

us...and i invariably see strewn carefully throughout his beautiful

weaving some precious jewels of Jyotish wisdom that he's picked

up...and placed there to add a little more lustre to his creation....

 

i feel the same way with Mani's wonderful letters...for me they ARE

Jyotish...as for me life, philosophy and Jyotish are NOT SEPARATE...

 

of course, MY children are now grown enough, and i have enough time

when not at work, and enough dedication in that department that i

welcome the LONGEST letters from my Goravani Jyotish sisters and

brothers...but for that you must have time, it is true...so we must

then choose what we will give time to...that is a sadhana also..we

must fast on the useless or possibly dangerous, occupations and

practice only that which will fulfill our longterm goal...whatever

that might be...but to exclud the phlisophy from Jyotish discussions

would be like throwing out the baby with the bath water!!!

 

In the Divine Mother's Love

and in the Service

Of Mother Jyotir Vidya

this child bows

most humbly

to those

time-pressured

Daughters

of the Divine Mother,

from Germany,

Ilona,

and Liliana,

and he

asks

Her Manifold

Blessings

upon them

and upon All!!

 

as ever

your own Self

 

visvanathan

 

Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!!