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Hi again,

 

Thanks Wendy, both personally for your kind words and the posts astrological

messages.

 

It's true, that 8th lord in the 12th does predispose one towards a frivolity

in regards to mysticism, sex, tantra, walking away from God, and so on. The

12th is loss, or you could say "abandon". There is "freedom in loss" or a

constant outflow when the 12th is used by a Lord. 1st lord/8th lord for Aries

Lagna, means, that the Mars or energy, flows away freely, in a donational

type of pattern, as 12th is Churches or Ashrams as 4th from 9th, the main

place people "donate" and where we "donate" our lives in the act of death,

and so on. So "abandon" and "release" are also factors in the 12th.

 

So when a lord goes to the twelfth, it gets connected it seems to our center

of abandon or uncontrollable outflow. When self and mysticism lord are one,

and mars, and goes there, then there is connection of self, with mysticism,

sex, and abandon in a bit of an energized way, oh no. This is a setup for

being addictive or prone to abandon for self and deep dark things. Scorpio

rules this 8th. All the more so. Pisces has connection to alchohol and drugs,

as well as being spaced out, all accepting, very universally open,

benevolently disposed, and watery, lost, merged. This is a setup for being

"one" with everything, very giving, very prone to abandon and loss of energy

through 8th house connections, which means altered mental worlds, the

mysticism side, and sexuality, also connected with the 8th.

 

For myself, there are other things in the chart, of course, that add up to my

life experience. I am a certain thing, a certain experience, as we are all,

and my lesson set includes some stark contrasts between religion and

indulgence, for example. That's one theme, a prominent one. There is also

strong mystical/religious/higher knowledge themes with Satabish Moon and

Jupiter in great strength in the 9th, Rahu in 5, Ketu conjunct Moon.

 

Satabish Moon

 

Aware of death, trying to stop it, direct acceptance of the cold truths of

life, the one's closer to death, dealing with material energy in a scientific

sense, cut off from normal pleasures, more like a mortician than a lover,

more like a doctor than an artist, Satabish Moon people are very soberly

disposed in general, it is a very sober and grave Nakshatra, as 100 or 1000

physicians, whichever that number is, well, physicians undergo extreme

learning to accomplish the saving of bodily life. That awareness is grave,

and associatd with death, old age, disease, awarenesses. It's not "nice".

 

 

Jupiter in great strength in the 9th

 

Very close to Orthodoxy in religion. Very close to professors and priests.

This person is a professor or priest, or a judge, lawyer. Connected to

"higher laws" and "wisdom". This Jupiter aspects the trines from strength.

The pulpit of the pope reigns over the chart. The person is one with the

pulpit, as it permeates them. They are an obvious choice for successorship to

high religious places. A devotee. An honest and truthful person if other

things concur. Add Saturn, lord of 10th, and it's Karma Dharma Adi Pati Yoga,

powerful for indicating a person who works connected to their religion. Safe

to say a religious worker at this point.

 

 

Rahu in 5 in Leo

 

Rahu is strange, different, creative, unusual, more of trend setting than

following, more of creative than maintainer, breaks to create, breaks laws to

find immortality, in creativity, and Leo, adds independence, a streak of

agression, a streak of bull headedness, especially since the Lord of Leo goes

to Taurus, another strong Male animal, like the Lion, now we have

independence and strength, mixed with exotic, foreign, creativity, and so on.

This 5th house seeks pleasures in poisons, the unusual, and does so with the

Leo form of abandon, and Leo carries abandon in one form, that is, disconcern

for the thoughts of others. Leo is independent, fundamentally, and takes

others with it in the way it goes. The leader sign. So creative leader is

Aries approach to creativity, pleasures, worship, 5th house things, and with

Rahu, add the poison, the strangeness, the exotic touch, attractive, but a

little dangerous, is Rahu, an imposter, a thief or unjustly present one, an

outcaste, come to taste things too high, in the 5th, creativity,

intelligence, hence this produces some fear in the consciousness, of being

unworthy, of going where angels fear to tread, in certain parts of life.

Can't escape Rahu. It's going to be somewhere. My daughter, is a living

representation of my 5th house, as she is my first pregnancy and birth. So,

she goes where angels fear to tread. Like pulling a boiling pot of water onto

herself at the age of 1. Like being a very strong willed Zena Warrior

Princess chick, proud of her daddy, foreign Hare Krishna daughter girl with

burns scars flying openly, she doesn't care, out of her way, here comes Ratna

Khani Goravani. Whoa! That's my 5th house girl.

 

 

Ketu conjunct Moon.

 

The mind ponders the inevitable and disgusting. That thing which we all hate

to ponder, that thing which we avoid, we hate, we disdain, we want to never

happen, this mind is closer to that thing, thinks about that thing. And in

Satabish, under Saturns aspects only, and Saturn is in an enemies sign weak

in the 9th, and the enemy, Guru, is present...

 

So this mind thinks about death, and Guru speaks to the Lord of the Sign, and

that is what comes home to the Moon. This Moon is rapt in Ketu, Saturn,

Satabish. This person is confluenced into a dark corner, where awareness of

death is prominent. The way it is being delivered and dealt with couldn't be

better, with the Lord, Shani, sitting in Darshan with strong Guru in the

Dharma Bhava. So the Lord of the Moon is sitting right then with Gurudev,

which means listening to Dharmic messages of Wisdom and truth.

 

In the dashas of these planets, I was doing those things. It's a chart that

works on the more easy to read side. Which makes a point I've pondered, some

charts, are more aligned with Vedicness, than others, and thus, they read

more clearly with Jyotish than the others. I am certainly Vedicly compatible

as a person, and I find my chart flows with Jyotish. But I have an anchor in

my chart, which is like, one of the strongest golden pins Jyotish hands out,

that Jupiter, which is like the "Purple Heart" of Jyotish awards on the

native. Cool. OK. I'll try to live up to it. But I think it makes reading the

chart a bit easier. Does for me anyway. I have an easier time reading charts

which contain a Mahapurush Yoga, a dharmic yoga, are fire rising signs, since

I can then relate easier, and so on. I think all these realities teach us

further facts about the nature of life. Anyway, ramble end.

 

Another thing about Ketu/Moon conjunctions, and mine is wide/loose in my

book, so not ACTUALLY a strong factor in my chart, but of midling strength

itself, but anyway...

 

Ketu is an antenna. It rules over visions. This means that it causes the

brain to be such that it receives information not normally notices. Radio

waves are all around you right now, but you don't hear them. But metal hears

them, and that can be translated into sound with radio equipment, or a stereo

system in other words, which is radio equipment.

 

So Ketu is a wobble point. The Moon near Ketu means the Moon is entering the

gravity field of the ecliptic, which is stronger than elsewhere in the Moons

tilted orbit. In fact, if you think about it, only when the Moon is in the

same sign as a node, is it actually near to being in line with the earth and

the Zodiac belt. So only when the Moon is Nodal (nodally conjunct) is it near

the ecliptic, or in line with the Earth and Zodiac as one, like the other

planets always are. All the planets are always on the ecliptic, even the

nodes, but only the Moon is USUALLY NOT, since it orbits "up and down" around

the earth, not "sideways like the others" around the earth, so to speak,

hopefully clear in layman terms.

 

So, only when conjunct a Node is the Moon actually "in the way" of the

"signals" coming from the Zodiac in a straight line (waves usually travel

from point to point in perfectly straight lines) to the Earth. At all other

times, it is not in this line.

 

What this means, which you've never heard, but here you go, is this:

 

ONLY when conjunct a node completely, is the Moon affected by the Zodiac.

This means that most people are walking around in a more protected and

illusioned space, than a nodal (normal) person. Nodal people are considered

outcastes, but actually, they are more normal, than most people.

 

However, this means they not only see more truth, but also feel it. This is

then the problem. There nervous system feels impulses it does not have any

ability to deal with. They are channels. This is very difficult to bear. If

any emotion for life remains in a channel, then they have to PERSONALLY

process all that comes through. This is why Moon conjunct Rahu people are

CONSTANTLY processing with the world around them. When nothing is wrong, they

will invent a problem to work on with fever and fury. They are unbearable for

most people to be around. Their minds are way too active and concerned.

 

Ketu people are way too detached and freaked out in a retreating way. Their

way of dealing with the increased sensitivity and pain is retreat, hence Ketu

is "always smoking", whereas Rahu "gets involved" and is "concerned to act

and react to" what it is feeling, whereas Ketu says "oh my God, forget it"

and gives up, hence it is the setting node, whereas Rahu is the rising node.

 

Another way: When you are "heading down" you are expecting "to be caught" in

the hand of God, whereas when "Rising" you are "powering up" and "taking

charge". So Rahu is more visible in the environment when a person carries it-

very obnoxiously active outwardly with problematic processing (when it

conjoins the Moon), and Ketu people will just kindof retreat, go inward,

become unavailable, and fade away. Ketu creates a renunciate moreso whereas

Rahu supports whatever OTHERWISE BASED leadership they have within them. Rahu

ASSUMES ROLES as he did to get the nectar, whereas Ketu feels like a RESULT

being, and what PUT HIM THERE has his rapt attention eternally, and that is

Vishnu, the woman serving the nectar. Hence Ketu has forever a problem with

the false survile nature of woman, who are literally faking it and have some

alterior motive. Be that a God even, they are despicable for their lieing.

Ketu therefore prefers the impersonal, where nobody can ever lie again (and

by so doing, kill you).

 

Since Vishnu lies at free wills beck, or is in other words, an autocrat who

is checked by nobody, the Rakshashas just feel, that that is unacceptable,

and would rather die fighting Him and His, than accept such as a Lord. Thus,

to Vishnu, the Rakshashas are his creation for worst enemy. They are Himself,

trying to take away His own freedoms. They are His self doubt. Sankaracarya

is Vishnus suicide. God commits suicide by proving to Himself that He does

not exist. This is how God commits suicide. So it is taught by my Gurus, with

whom I have easy and perpetual audience by their mercy and grace, so

beautiful is the truth, that even Popes do not understand it, as it is only

understood, by one who has no overlaying designs upon it's freedoms, just as

you have dear in the yard, so long as you don't try to touch them. Walk near

them, and they go. Leave them alone, they stay and nibble your roses to

death. Good, let them eat. Stand still, and see the beautiful Mrigis. Be

desireful to enjoy them more than this, and loose their beauty.

 

The Rakshashas have a great degree of the sense of equality and dharma

combined. They are democratic. It's the feeling that Gods family is

nepotistic (self serving) that they hate. They are good hearted, but feel

abandoned. Shukra feels their pain and tries to help them. He has a funny

relationship therefore with Jupiter, Sun, Mars, therefore. He is with them

actually, but doing some work for a purpose. One with them partially, one

with the outcastes partially, which actually include the nodes, mercury,

saturn and the moon. So Venus is a go between for two parts of the reality.

Venus is a type of glue or bridge as well, inasmuch as "just a spoonful of

sugar helps the medicine go down..."

 

Jane Fonda went to Vietnam and heavily sided with the "enemy" during the war.

So, Vietnam vets "ain't Fond a Jane" Oh no.

 

This is Shukra. Attractive, side switching, for a cause, trying to help the

downtrodden enemy outcastes, who are so oppressed by the big bad guy boys,

and they don't like her, but then she marries a senator or something, and is

in general a VERY good living Hollywood Famous Rich Woman! Go figure! She

is Shukra personified. There's your symbol for Shukra.

 

Would someone be in charge of storing my writings, editing them, and make

that book often mentioned for me? I have a bunch already, but better to

start from lately. Whatever. It's an idea. Any takers? There's a large

publisher ready to print what I write. A high quality color book too, to

boot. So anyway, the field is waiting, the years are waning, I'm not

achieving, help would help, but with me as I am, only a very kind, sensitive,

helpful, fat Jupiter person would do (that's fat on the good truth and giving

placement, body weight reverse discrimation not implied as a factor either

way).

 

I want to give. I have some things, to channel through. Could use some help.

Was unable to bear the previous help. Nearly died from it. Right mix

important. This flower has specific emotion dietary fertilizer requirements

and "what is one's poison anothers food" may apply in greater measure. Only

the nimble or versatile of spirit consciousness would feel good in this

wonderland of confusing cheshire cats, but here Guru rules, though surrounded

by Maya, so one must know illusion from truth in a way so solid as to be

rare.

 

Poetic justice became my Guru, for in all other ashrams they were out on

Parikrama. (Hindu way of saying, "having not been captured elsewhere, I

captured myself", which is my way of saying, I can make everything OK by

writing about it, whereas through no other means has my soul found expression

and fulfillment)

 

Rachmaninoff (of course that's spelt rong) said that "Inasmuch as I use words

to express my thoughts, I use music to express my feelings. Without it, I

could not speak my feelings". Wow. What feelings! Again, he had Rahu

conjunct Moon. He was a channel. Ahhh, beautiful indeed was his vision.

Troubled was he, counselors, time in the cook joint, drugs, depression, but

ahh, perhaps the greatest composer that ever lived, one of the strongest

pianist (music pounders) in all of history, a person whos soul had no vent

'cept through this most awesome music, which is so rich and beautiful, yet

highly disturbed and frightening in strange ways, so anyway, whoa, what a

guy, what a "real moon" conjunct Rahu. Charles Manson and Sai Baba both have

close Rahu/Moon conjunctions. Their charts decide how it manifests, as Rahu,

the pretender, goes with the flow, to get the nectar, so the flow is in

question. One, like a God, the other, well, hmmm, dangerous definitely, that

much we know.

 

You can relax more if your moon is not with a node. Ahh. More peaceful. Good!

 

But with a node, ahh, what a ride! But ohh, very tiring, not so nice at times.

 

You want to know what it's like to have Ketu Moon?

 

Watch "Jacobs ladder" all the time. Try watching it once first to make sure

you want to commit to this path. This is one of the most mind twisting

bizarre mental movies about drug illusions, violence, suddeness and death,

ever made. See now, I LOVE THAT MOVIE. Thats my kind of movie. To most

though, it is hauntingly scarry, very unattractive, and will be forgotten by

most, quickly. Some of us, those of us who are really sick in the head, we

like it. I like watching "Faces of Death" which is footage of real gruesome

true human death scenes. It enlightens me to watch people being shot in the

head. How about you?

 

But it stops there. Jupiter rules. I am dharmic. But the focus is on the dark

side, for some reason, sometimes. Perhaps to counter how much I love the

bright side, and how much I am just a child of the light. I have never been

in a fight, never stolen anything from any store, never hit anybody, don't

eat meat out of shyness towards killing anything, etc. It's a fascination for

the sake of tuning my awarenesses towards truth, but nothing more. I'm not

ACTUALLY "sick" at all, I think personally.

 

Sri Caitanya lived with an exact Ketu Moon conjunction, and it was a totally

full moon, totally conjunct the lagna. Now that is something to bear. He

represented the Ketu Moon impulse completely, as it was a full leo moon in

the first, fully conjunct ketu (he was born right on the rising eclipse of a

full moon). This means that he literally was the incarnation of fatherly

sorrow for the feelings of everyone, and he would give up completely his own

feelings for this. He was Jesus, the way people speak of Jesus. Jesus said

he'd return. Perhaps it already happened, 500 years ago. Many Caitanya-ites

would agree with that at least as a colorful view of their Avatar.

 

Anyway, gotta go.

 

Peace (yeah right)

 

das goravani

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gjlist, goravani@a... wrote:

>

> Hi again,

>

> Thanks Wendy, both personally for your kind words and the posts

astrological

> messages.

>

Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!!

 

Namaste dear Ones!!

 

Dasji, thank you so much for this wonderful teaching!!!!it is so

clearly presented, even in the midst of your "rave"....in that, you go

further than your illustrious predecessor...James Joyce....

 

i see your raves as wonderful expositions of the questing, troubled,

deeply pained mind...seeking understanding of this pain, and finding

it thru Jyotish...What you are saying is justification enough right

there for people to pursue this ancient Vidya...if we can all learn to

look at ourselves in this detailed yet compassionate way, we will all

be growing adorable, as understanding itself, removes many of the

blocks and even some of the pain...we get some perspective, and allow

the pain just to be, rather than constantly pushing it away...only

then can we learn that this pain is actually our FRIEND...it is

reminding us that this world is not the perfect place we'd like it to

be...and neither are we...it is like the kind teacher's correcting our

term essay...and showing us where we are going wrong...so that we may

see, and correct this and grow...

 

as dear Ram Dass, that perennial way-shower for us baby-boomers, has

said, his Guruji, Neem Karoli Babaji, told him so many times: "i love

suffering and pain, because it brings me so much closer to God!"...

and when i last heard him say this (Ram Dassji)...(last night) on a

video from a 1999 gathering in California with Krsna Das...he was

looking for every word...and you know...i suddenly realised what his

Guru meant...just for him...i could feel and see, and hear, that Ram

Dass has finally "made it" to the Great Soul category...that stroke

that nearly killed him in 97 was still in very clear evidence from his

drooping lip, as well as the obviously paralysed arm and leg...and

from the difficulties he was having finding the words....i could see

that he very clearly KNEW what he wanted to say, but he couldn't find

the words easily...the stroke graced him with that...

 

He just sat there and told us that his path had always been

Guru Kripa...and then he pointed to his paralyzed side, and said

"Stroke"....then he gestured to the infinite...saying "Guru's

Grace"...and back and forth several times to make sure that we had got

the message...that he sees this stroke, with all its debilitation and

pain as Guru's Grace...and it is not just words...you can feel that

his Guru has truly graced him...Now when you look at him silently

regarding the camera with his loving smile, and the beautiful Tears of

Divine Bliss in his eyes.....i felt that this was DARSHAN of a

Saint...that Ram Dass has thru his agonies in his life used them as a

ladder to reach the infinite...and now is "surfing the silence"...

 

i was awestruck and filled with the Divine Beauty of this Man, and his

dear friend Krsna Das...when they started the satsang...the house was

full of California baby-boomers all dressed like they make lots of

money....and they looked pretty reserved too...about as straight as an

arrow most of them...but do you know what? Even with NO real musical

backup, and with dear Ram Dass "surfing the silence"...by the end of

the satsang people were visibly moved, and you could just feel the

loving Divine Energy in the air...right thru from 99 til yesterday..it

was that powerful...People had tears in their eyes, they were swaying

blissfully in time with the music, and even singing along...they went

from reserved "audience" to fellow seekers and satsang members,

surfing the silence with Ram Dass...i have no words to express how

moving it was...the tears ran down my face thru the entire video...

even my 19 year old daughter who was visiting me and knew nothing

about Ram Dassji, was drawn into the living room, where he was giving

satsang on the TV...and she remained sitting next to me for the rest

of the video...She too thought it was very moving and sweet and that

Ram Dass is pretty "cool"...and that with nary a teenager, or even

early 20's folk in the "audience"...She (my daughter) was the ONLY

teenager partaking of that Satsang!..and that thru TV. and She loved

it...even though she was time pressed and wanted to get going, she

remained to watch til the end...

 

now i was NEVER a Ram Dass fan until recently...too uppler-class,

university professor "know-it-all" kind of tone would come thru his

writings and talks...(although i must admit i read them!!and really

enjoyed them too..).especially "The Miracle of Love"...still i wasn't

attracted to his speaking at all...it actually turned me off!!!

(although it could simply have been that i wasn't ready to

listen!)...However, after his stroke, which nearly killed him....Ram

Dass has changed...his humility, and love, and even wisdom just shine

out of his face....(or i've changed!...but he says he has!)

 

Why i am rambling about our old friend Ram Dassji, is that he also

went thru similar "torments" of the heart, and mind....for years and

years...just like Dasji and many others on this list i imagine...and

when i see how Ram Dassji has worked with his Guru's Grace as

manifested in that killer stroke....i am humbled by his inner

strength, and ability to work with what is given...of course this IS

the requirement for Guru Kripa...we MUST see that everything which

comes to us is Guru's Grace...even horrible things.

 

so for me and Dasji, this kind of teaching nonverbally, by his life

itself...should be encouraging when we are battling with our own

demons....because he had it just as bad as we....

 

Dasji, i loved your description of the Rakshasas....the democratic,

fair attitude which they display...and guess who were the other beings

said to be incarnating in America today, by Vimalanandaji????

He said that America is populated by mostly the Vayuputras, and the

Rakshasas....and if we look at the definition of the Rakshasas and

what they love to do...the shoe really appears to fit the foot....

 

now i am not trying to demean America for those inhabitants...probably

i myself, am Rakshasic...but leaning more towards the Prahlad kind...

 

as well, Venus is my Beloved Deity....and is the Lagnesha for Amma,

who also has SATURN in Libra with Her Lagna...a Saturn which is

conjuncting MY Venus in libras....hmmmmm do we have something here????

 

Venus is Guru to the Rakshasas...She is so fair to everyone...She can

abandon no one...She sees the virtues of even the Rakshasas....boy oh

boy does this sound like Ammachi!!!!!!!!

 

i wonder what kind of influence on the Moon mind Rahu will have when

He is in the 2nd house...and Moon is in the 1st with lagna in

Capricorn...so like Dasji my Moon is in a Saturnian controlled

house..and results in constrictions and obstacles to that feeling

mind...as well as difficulties with mother...

as well we have Mercury, ruler of the 9th and 6th, in the 12th...so

Moon and Lagna are surrounded so to speak... Mercury is a friend to

this lagna, but being posited in the 12th, will indicate losses in

this department leading eventually to Moksha...the 12th being the

Guru's home or Ashram, and Mercury being Atmakaraka for Amma, i get

the picture, that She is right there, and is the SOURCE of the losses

in that 12th, leading to Moksha...as well Lagnesha is in the 9th!

 

How does that sound???does it make sense in a Jyotish way...i must

admit like Wendy, i prefer to work mostly on Rashi, and Navamsha, as

well as transits and Dashas....you can learn SO much just from that!

 

Anyways thank you Dasji for using your own chart and lived experiences

to pass on this wonderful satsang to us.

 

in the Divine Mother's Love,

and in Her Service,

 

as ever

Your own Self,

 

visvanathan

 

Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!