Depression (Andrew)

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Namaste Andrew,

 

You have done a very thourough examination and I agree that it is

folly applying the results attributed to classical combinations

blindly. And as you have shown the entire chart and the influeces of

all planets on each other must be looked at for the significations of

each planet. This point is stressed by Bhrigu.

 

One may assume that the individuals who noted the guru-chandala yoga

did so on a superficial level, as they did not go into great depth

about the positive and negative aspects of the combination and the

effects of the planets influencing it, but they most likely did so in

order to not draw excessive attention on the exact problems of the

combinations, its weaknesses etc.

 

It is enough for an astrologer to see a negative combination and to

prescribe a remedy, without making it a large issue by writing a long

mail about the negative aspects. Why worry about this, when the

practice of the proper remedial measures will remove the negative

effects anyways?

 

Perhaps the best way that this yoga should have been dealt with is to

take several case studies of people with this yoga in their charts

who are not a part of this list, and go over the positive/negative

aspects.

 

I have not read the original post that started this whole issue, but

from what I understand this may have already been done to begin with,

after which point the attention was gradually drawn onto the chart of

a listmember, as the person, who as a sensitive person, took it as a

personal slight.

 

The result of this action was to draw attention onto the combination

in the chart, which was not the original intent. After this the

combination was addressed and appropriate advice was given in order

to counteract any of the negative effects.

 

Some would interpret the results attributed classicaly to the guru-

chandala combination as applying in the recent commotion, as some

regard Robert, or the SJVC as spiritual persons/institutions. And the

classical combination of guru-chandala gives obstructions and

disrespect to spiritual/religious individuals/institutions.

 

However others would be confused as to how this combination can be

applied, as they may view these people or individuals as the same as

anyone else, and having no spiritual difference to the rest of any

other human being. So it is understandable that there would be a

disagreement as to the application of this yoga in this sense.

 

One angle of this yoga can be readily seen in this chart, as the

results have already tangibly manifested and attested to by the owner

of the chart, which was the loss of the husband. This simply is due

to the combination of Jupiter and Rahu in the 7th, the combination of

12th lord with Rahu, and the placement of Juptier in Saturn's

navamsa. For those who beleive in past lives, this is due to a curse

given by a Brahmin. This is clearly explained in the back of BPHS.

Remedies are given, so that proper marital happiness can be regained.

 

This need not be looked at as a bad thing in regards to the owner of

the chart. A Brahmin is merely an educated or spiritual person, and

doesn't have to be the Dalai Lama. Through some conflict or another,

the person may develop a powerful negative mental reaction towards

the person, which results in difficulties in the lifetime or

following ones.

 

Andrew - I would be interested as to what results you attribute to

this combination, and why the Guru-chandala yoga was not responsible

for the break in marriage, or the conflict with religious

institutions. I ask this, as you have made criticism to this

analysis, and as such it would be fair to the parties involved to

read a reason for your disagreement with their analysis.

 

For those interested in testing applications in charts, a curse from

a Brahmin is incurred by the combination of several factors. These

must be applied intelligently. There should be a combination of

several factors occuring at once in relations to a house in order to

apply the curse.

 

Rahu when in Jupiter's signs indicate this, as does his position in

the 9th/12th house, which is the natural ownership of Jupiter, these

houses also indicating Brahmins.

 

Jupiter-Rahu combination is the first indication

Their position in the 9th/12th is very bad.

Rahu in Saggitarius or Pisces

Rahu in the 9th/12th

debilitation of 9th lord/12th lord

combination of 9th/12th lord with Rahu

Jupiter in debilitation, Rahu in the concerned house, with the lord

of that house going into the 6/8/12

The combination of Jupiter and Saturn

Jupiter in Saturn's Navamsa

 

regards,

 

Alex J

 

 

gjlist, " Andrew Lynn" <skinbags@o...> wrote:

> Dear Wendy

>

> Some of the misleading comments I have seen written about your

chart would

> be funny if the people making them didn't consider themselves

serious

> astrologers. It is clear many people do not know the ABC of

astrology and

> should not post comments on a chart unless they are sure they know

what they

> are talking about. To simply quote a sloka or a yoga from an

ancient text

> and then apply it simplistically to a chart shows extreme ignorance.

>

> Your chart shows the 10th sign of Capricorn rising with the lagna

lord

> located in the intellectual sign of Gemini in the growing 6th house

of work

> and service. The lagna lord is excellently placed in the 9th house

from

> natal Moon in the nakshatra of birth yogi planet Mars in the sign

of both a

> friend and an exalted 9th lord Mercury. Mars in the 5th house gives

a

> piercing and sharp intellect and Mars is in close trine to exalted

Mercury

> who is also well placed in the 9th house from lagna and 12th house

of moksha

> from the Moon. The 9th lord is in the 9th house exalted giving

Lakshmi yoga.

>

> The Moon is excellently placed in the 10th house in good aspect to

the lagna

> lord and Jupiter is exalted in the 7th house and 10th house from

the Moon

> once again forming an excellent Raja yoga. This association of

Jupiter and

> Rahu is a brilliant combination as their dispositor is in the 10th

house and

> both fall in the nakshatra of Mercury the 9th lord who is exalted.

The

> dispositors of the nodes are in good aspect and the nakshatra lords

are also

> in good aspect. The Moon in the 10th house is excellent in the

nakshatra of

> Rahu as Rahu forms a powerful raja yoga in the 10th house from Moon

with

> exalted Jupiter.

>

> Once again the navamsha is very strong with the lagna lord Mercury

in the

> 9th house in good aspect to Jupiter and Rahu. The rashi lagna lord

is

> exalted in the navamsha with the karaka planet Venus which is in

its own

> navamsha. Your atmakaraka is Jupiter and is exalted in the

nakshatra of the

> 9th lord Mercury and placed in the 10th house from the Moon

associated with

> Rahu. This is a great Raja Yoga. Jupiter is neecha in the navamsha

but

> placed in the navamsha of Saturn who is a strong planet for you so

will do

> no harm. Neecha planets are often the best planets in a chart and

cannot be

> interpreted in a simplistic fashion like I see people doing. The

nature of

> every planet must be considered before making any comments on what

its

> effects will be in a chart.

>

> Transit Saturn is now exactly on your 8th house cusp from natal

Moon and

> Jupiter is also in the 8th house from the Moon. This is hard for

you as

> Saturn is also lagna lord. Mars is now 1 day away from being

stationary so

> you should have known better not to pick arguments at this time as

you were

> always going to get a pounding. I have you in Mercury/ Sun period

and the

> Sun is 8th lord afflicted by the aspects of the argumentative Mars

and the

> planet of depression Saturn. As great enemy of the Sun this transit

of

> Saturn is a hard one in the Sun's sub period. Saturn is in bad

aspect to

> both the Moon and Sun and also transiting the nakshatra ruled by

the Sun. A

> lot of 8th house influences on your mind in the 5th house of

enjoyments from

> the lagna.

>

> You are under some malefic influence and we all should feel for you

rather

> than standing in judgement. I am also concerned with people using

and

> teaching the use of the divisional charts which require such a

small margin

> of time to be actually correct. Even if there is six people at a

birth you

> will get six different birthtimes unless they have synchronised

their

> watches exactly to GMT. Then you must decide what constitutes a

birth- first

> breath, cutting of the umbilical cord, the appearence of the

head ?? Often

> many minutes pass between these things and if not present at the

birth we

> must hope the nurse wrote down the time accurately and was not

rushing out

> to tell the waiting father of his new child or washing her hands

etc.

>

> Then there is the question of the ayanamsha which is still not 100%

clear no

> matter what we think. For example, Sri Yukteswar gives a 1 degree

difference

> from Lahiri and Krishnamurti and he was an enlightened man. Who can

say he

> was wrong ? I have recently seen reference to D60 and even D108 on

the list

> which I think other than an intellectual concept is silly to try to

> interpret. Many beginners and newcomers to Vedic astrology read the

list and

> I often wonder what they think when they see such petty bickerings

from

> people who claim to be religious and on the spiritual path.

>

> I have a large collection of ancient texts on astrology and find

them

> helpful but also confusing. I think we must learn to differ between

a

> principal and the manifestation of a principal. The ancient texts

should be

> seen in terms of principals and not apply each sloka or yoga

literally and

> dogmatically to every chart we come across. A part is not the whole

and no

> planet, yoga or sloka should be taken in isolation as there may be

an aspect

> that will completely change the manifestation of the basic

principal given

> in the text.

>

> Then there is the point that we do not really know what any old sage

> actually said because we were not there ourselves to hear it. We

only have

> second and third hand texts of what they were suppossed to have

said. I

> recently read "The Kama Sutra" by Richard Burton who was

responsible for

> many translations of the old texts from Sanskrit to English. It

gives a good

> idea of just how difficult a job this was. Firstly, he had to

search India

> for a number of the same text he was to translate. He found they

were always

> different and often incomplete. He then hired a number of Pundits

skilled in

> Sanskrit to translate the text into English and there was always

many

> disagreements on what the author meant to say. Once translated by

the

> Pundits the text then had to be rewritten by a native speaker of

English for

> clarity. Finally, Burton would once again rewrite the text to stamp

his own

> thoughts on it and give it his style and color.

>

> If you look at the translations of Parashara's work, we get many

different

> versions which often differ on certain aspects of interpretation.

To say

> Parashara said this or that is wrong. It would be more correct to

say

> "Parashara allegedly said................." We do not apply the

laws found

> in ancient law books until we have carefully checked them to see if

they are

> still relevent. We would certainly not apply them unless relevent

to the

> case before the court. Astrology laws should be treated the same

way and be

> put under careful scrutiny until proved correct.

>

> Misunderstandings have seen two of the most experienced astrologers

leave

> the list which can only have a negative result for all of those who

depend

> on it for reliable information. We all should remember each and

every

> horoscope has the capacity for good or bad depending on many

factors. To see

> people applying principals recklessly worries me as Vedic astrology

is the

> real loser in the end. We must endevour to set aside our own

prejudices and

> communicate in a humble environment free of egos. We are all babies

to

> astrology and must remember the ancient Rishis said it takes many

lifetimes

> to become competent in this divine science. This is the one thing I

believe

> is 100% correct.................................

>

>

> Andrew