Guest guest Posted May 10, 2001 Report Share Posted May 10, 2001 Namaste. Thanx i'm non Indian. Actually my fathers danish and my mothers kenyan, but i cling to vedic ideals, as it gives me clarity in other religions. Best wishes, Visti. - Ram Kumar-Jaswal <ram.kumar.jaswal <gjlist> Thursday, May 10, 2001 1:19 PM RE: [gjlist] Depression(Andrew) > Namaste Visti > > I guess interpretation of 'Guru-Chandal' Yoga as to its meaning whilst using > it in context to "Indians" and "Non - Indians" is a matter of ones own > interpretation and would recommend mediation on it and/or consultation with > ones Guru for a better understanding. I certainly am No expert but taking > All Yoga interpretations Too Literally as given would be a gross fallacy on > ones part. I agree that some 'common' themes would be applicable to general > public irrespective of creed/culture But for a finer interpretation one > would always need to keep natives circumstances/where one is > living/creed/culture etc in mind. > > If indeed being a 'Non-Indian' you pray/believe in 'Indian Gods' then I > would suggest your looking for this Yoga in your chart for following > 'foreign' ideals/thoughts/cultures etc. > > Trusting above comments not taken out of context as no disrespect is > implied. > > Best wishes ...... > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > > > > > > Visti Larsen [sMTP:vlarsen] > > Thursday, May 10, 2001 11:28 AM > > gjlist > > Sv: [gjlist] Depression(Andrew) > > > > Namaste Andrew. > > As always I admire your interpretations, always a clear approach, yet you > > give some elbow room.. thats what i admire. > > > > This isn't so much a posting regarding Wendy's chart, but a general > > question of opinion. > > Normally i don't scream Guru-Chandala Yoga, unless i've taken a propper > > look, and i did infact feel it was working in this case. > > > > There may be Raja Yogas, but even a Guru-Chandala Yoga can lead one to > > fame and fortune. It still doesn't change its indications. > > > > My question is rather, do you feel the effects of this yoga are removed in > > this chart, or do you just feel that there is some auspiciousnes linked to > > it? > > > > As for Ayanamsa's; i heard Sri Yukteswar, only used his Ayanamsa to reckon > > the Yugas, chakras, etc. Hence all he used it for was to reckon > > Jupiter+Saturn conjunctions. He was indeed an enlightened man. > > > > Best wishes, Visti. > > > > > > - > > Andrew Lynn <skinbags > > <gjlist> > > Thursday, May 10, 2001 11:45 AM > > Re: [gjlist] Depression > > > > > > > Dear Wendy > > > > > > Some of the misleading comments I have seen written about your chart > > would > > > be funny if the people making them didn't consider themselves serious > > > astrologers. It is clear many people do not know the ABC of astrology > > and > > > should not post comments on a chart unless they are sure they know what > > they > > > are talking about. To simply quote a sloka or a yoga from an ancient > > text > > > and then apply it simplistically to a chart shows extreme ignorance. > > > > > > Your chart shows the 10th sign of Capricorn rising with the lagna lord > > > located in the intellectual sign of Gemini in the growing 6th house of > > work > > > and service. The lagna lord is excellently placed in the 9th house from > > > natal Moon in the nakshatra of birth yogi planet Mars in the sign of > > both a > > > friend and an exalted 9th lord Mercury. Mars in the 5th house gives a > > > piercing and sharp intellect and Mars is in close trine to exalted > > Mercury > > > who is also well placed in the 9th house from lagna and 12th house of > > moksha > > > from the Moon. The 9th lord is in the 9th house exalted giving Lakshmi > > yoga. > > > > > > The Moon is excellently placed in the 10th house in good aspect to the > > lagna > > > lord and Jupiter is exalted in the 7th house and 10th house from the > > Moon > > > once again forming an excellent Raja yoga. This association of Jupiter > > and > > > Rahu is a brilliant combination as their dispositor is in the 10th house > > and > > > both fall in the nakshatra of Mercury the 9th lord who is exalted. The > > > dispositors of the nodes are in good aspect and the nakshatra lords are > > also > > > in good aspect. The Moon in the 10th house is excellent in the nakshatra > > of > > > Rahu as Rahu forms a powerful raja yoga in the 10th house from Moon with > > > exalted Jupiter. > > > > > > Once again the navamsha is very strong with the lagna lord Mercury in > > the > > > 9th house in good aspect to Jupiter and Rahu. The rashi lagna lord is > > > exalted in the navamsha with the karaka planet Venus which is in its own > > > navamsha. Your atmakaraka is Jupiter and is exalted in the nakshatra of > > the > > > 9th lord Mercury and placed in the 10th house from the Moon associated > > with > > > Rahu. This is a great Raja Yoga. Jupiter is neecha in the navamsha but > > > placed in the navamsha of Saturn who is a strong planet for you so will > > do > > > no harm. Neecha planets are often the best planets in a chart and cannot > > be > > > interpreted in a simplistic fashion like I see people doing. The nature > > of > > > every planet must be considered before making any comments on what its > > > effects will be in a chart. > > > > > > Transit Saturn is now exactly on your 8th house cusp from natal Moon and > > > Jupiter is also in the 8th house from the Moon. This is hard for you as > > > Saturn is also lagna lord. Mars is now 1 day away from being stationary > > so > > > you should have known better not to pick arguments at this time as you > > were > > > always going to get a pounding. I have you in Mercury/ Sun period and > > the > > > Sun is 8th lord afflicted by the aspects of the argumentative Mars and > > the > > > planet of depression Saturn. As great enemy of the Sun this transit of > > > Saturn is a hard one in the Sun's sub period. Saturn is in bad aspect to > > > both the Moon and Sun and also transiting the nakshatra ruled by the > > Sun. A > > > lot of 8th house influences on your mind in the 5th house of enjoyments > > from > > > the lagna. > > > > > > You are under some malefic influence and we all should feel for you > > rather > > > than standing in judgement. I am also concerned with people using and > > > teaching the use of the divisional charts which require such a small > > margin > > > of time to be actually correct. Even if there is six people at a birth > > you > > > will get six different birthtimes unless they have synchronised their > > > watches exactly to GMT. Then you must decide what constitutes a birth- > > first > > > breath, cutting of the umbilical cord, the appearence of the head ?? > > Often > > > many minutes pass between these things and if not present at the birth > > we > > > must hope the nurse wrote down the time accurately and was not rushing > > out > > > to tell the waiting father of his new child or washing her hands etc. > > > > > > Then there is the question of the ayanamsha which is still not 100% > > clear no > > > matter what we think. For example, Sri Yukteswar gives a 1 degree > > difference > > > from Lahiri and Krishnamurti and he was an enlightened man. Who can say > > he > > > was wrong ? I have recently seen reference to D60 and even D108 on the > > list > > > which I think other than an intellectual concept is silly to try to > > > interpret. Many beginners and newcomers to Vedic astrology read the list > > and > > > I often wonder what they think when they see such petty bickerings from > > > people who claim to be religious and on the spiritual path. > > > > > > I have a large collection of ancient texts on astrology and find them > > > helpful but also confusing. I think we must learn to differ between a > > > principal and the manifestation of a principal. The ancient texts should > > be > > > seen in terms of principals and not apply each sloka or yoga literally > > and > > > dogmatically to every chart we come across. A part is not the whole and > > no > > > planet, yoga or sloka should be taken in isolation as there may be an > > aspect > > > that will completely change the manifestation of the basic principal > > given > > > in the text. > > > > > > Then there is the point that we do not really know what any old sage > > > actually said because we were not there ourselves to hear it. We only > > have > > > second and third hand texts of what they were suppossed to have said. I > > > recently read "The Kama Sutra" by Richard Burton who was responsible for > > > many translations of the old texts from Sanskrit to English. It gives a > > good > > > idea of just how difficult a job this was. Firstly, he had to search > > India > > > for a number of the same text he was to translate. He found they were > > always > > > different and often incomplete. He then hired a number of Pundits > > skilled in > > > Sanskrit to translate the text into English and there was always many > > > disagreements on what the author meant to say. Once translated by the > > > Pundits the text then had to be rewritten by a native speaker of English > > for > > > clarity. Finally, Burton would once again rewrite the text to stamp his > > own > > > thoughts on it and give it his style and color. > > > > > > If you look at the translations of Parashara's work, we get many > > different > > > versions which often differ on certain aspects of interpretation. To say > > > Parashara said this or that is wrong. It would be more correct to say > > > "Parashara allegedly said................." We do not apply the laws > > found > > > in ancient law books until we have carefully checked them to see if they > > are > > > still relevent. We would certainly not apply them unless relevent to the > > > case before the court. Astrology laws should be treated the same way and > > be > > > put under careful scrutiny until proved correct. > > > > > > Misunderstandings have seen two of the most experienced astrologers > > leave > > > the list which can only have a negative result for all of those who > > depend > > > on it for reliable information. We all should remember each and every > > > horoscope has the capacity for good or bad depending on many factors. To > > see > > > people applying principals recklessly worries me as Vedic astrology is > > the > > > real loser in the end. We must endevour to set aside our own prejudices > > and > > > communicate in a humble environment free of egos. We are all babies to > > > astrology and must remember the ancient Rishis said it takes many > > lifetimes > > > to become competent in this divine science. This is the one thing I > > believe > > > is 100% correct................................. > > > > > > > > > Andrew > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received > it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose > the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of > this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the > BBC, unless specifically stated. > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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