Guest guest Posted May 4, 2001 Report Share Posted May 4, 2001 Namaste Manoj, I agree, experimentation is the key to success! And people should be free to form their opinions. The 4th rules education as pointed out by Visti, and the argalas concur with this. The 5th rules knowledge, which is also obtained without formal education. Jaimini gives many forms of knowledge from the 5th that could be learned at school or by own effort such as swordfighting, singing, archery, math skill, etc. Similarly Mercury rules edcuation, and Jupiter knowledge. Jupiter is the teacher, and Mercury the student. Look at the 4th from Mercury for education, and the 5th from Jupiter for knowledge. BPHS Ch.70 sl.30 "All about knowledge, religious inclinations and son is to be ascertained from the 5th bhava from Jupiter" Ch.11 sl.6 "The learned should deduce from the 5th house: amulets, sacred spells, learning, knowledge, sons, royalty (or authority), fall of position, etc." Ch.24 sl.43 "If the 4th's lord is in the 7th house, the native will be endowed with a high degree of education, will sacrifice his patrimony and be akin to the dumb in an assembly." regards, Alex J gjlist, "Manoj Pathak" <manojpathak@h...> wrote: > Helo Alex, > > I would let it pass for the moment. I would let people form their own > opinions. I am no one to influence or colour their thinking. I have > experimented a lot and only after experimentation had come to this opinion. > Especially 5th from Karkamsha but the Karkamsha put in rashi chart, not in > the navamsha which becomes Swamsha. Though most of the people work other way > round, Swamsha in Rashi and Karkamsha in Navamsha, but I tend to be > different from others. Sorry, but thats me and my destiny, and I accept it. > > with best wishes, > > Manoj > > > >lostinmotion@h... > >gjlist > >gjlist > >[gjlist] Re: Divisional Charts - Manoj > >Tue, 01 May 2001 15:47:32 -0000 > > > >Hello Manoj, > > > >MANOJ: Parashara gives education in the 5th house "Yantram, mantram > >chaiv vidyam......" Read it. Though many are inclined to take > >education from 4th as they take father from 10th. > > > >REPLY: Read farther on in this chapter when the 10th house is dealt > >with. Father is listed under this house, not the 9th. > > > >In both cases, with the 5th for education, and 10th for father, there > >are other references in BPHS using the 4th for education, and 9th for > >father. The sage has given the use of both, so why not use the houses > >according to Parasar's recomendations? There must be specific uses > >for each that are preferred. > > > >regards, > > > >Alex J > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > ____________________ ___ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2001 Report Share Posted May 5, 2001 I will like to add that : Mercury Gives analytical Knowledge to a person and Juptier gives Vastness of knowledge . regards Jitendra Sodhi ------------- Tell your friends about Acme Consultant and Placements :- - Our Services are Free to the Candidates. - We Deal at all Levels in IT , Marketing , HR , Administration , Technical Job Placements . - Creme de la Creme of Indian Corporates are our Client . email resume at : cv - <lostinmotion <gjlist> Saturday, May 05, 2001 12:44 AM [gjlist] 5th versus 4th education > Namaste Manoj, > > I agree, experimentation is the key to success! And people should be > free to form their opinions. > > The 4th rules education as pointed out by Visti, and the argalas > concur with this. > > The 5th rules knowledge, which is also obtained without formal > education. Jaimini gives many forms of knowledge from the 5th that > could be learned at school or by own effort such as swordfighting, > singing, archery, math skill, etc. > > Similarly Mercury rules edcuation, and Jupiter knowledge. Jupiter is > the teacher, and Mercury the student. > > Look at the 4th from Mercury for education, and the 5th from Jupiter > for knowledge. > > BPHS > > Ch.70 sl.30 "All about knowledge, religious inclinations and son is > to be ascertained from the 5th bhava from Jupiter" > > Ch.11 sl.6 "The learned should deduce from the 5th house: amulets, > sacred spells, learning, knowledge, sons, royalty (or authority), > fall of position, etc." > > Ch.24 sl.43 "If the 4th's lord is in the 7th house, the native will > be endowed with a high degree of education, will sacrifice his > patrimony and be akin to the dumb in an assembly." > > regards, > > Alex J > > > gjlist, "Manoj Pathak" <manojpathak@h...> wrote: > > Helo Alex, > > > > I would let it pass for the moment. I would let people form their > own > > opinions. I am no one to influence or colour their thinking. I have > > experimented a lot and only after experimentation had come to this > opinion. > > Especially 5th from Karkamsha but the Karkamsha put in rashi chart, > not in > > the navamsha which becomes Swamsha. Though most of the people work > other way > > round, Swamsha in Rashi and Karkamsha in Navamsha, but I tend to be > > different from others. Sorry, but thats me and my destiny, and I > accept it. > > > > with best wishes, > > > > Manoj > > > > > > >lostinmotion@h... > > >gjlist > > >gjlist > > >[gjlist] Re: Divisional Charts - Manoj > > >Tue, 01 May 2001 15:47:32 -0000 > > > > > >Hello Manoj, > > > > > >MANOJ: Parashara gives education in the 5th house "Yantram, mantram > > >chaiv vidyam......" Read it. Though many are inclined to take > > >education from 4th as they take father from 10th. > > > > > >REPLY: Read farther on in this chapter when the 10th house is dealt > > >with. Father is listed under this house, not the 9th. > > > > > >In both cases, with the 5th for education, and 10th for father, > there > > >are other references in BPHS using the 4th for education, and 9th > for > > >father. The sage has given the use of both, so why not use the > houses > > >according to Parasar's recomendations? There must be specific uses > > >for each that are preferred. > > > > > >regards, > > > > > >Alex J > > > > > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ > ___ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2001 Report Share Posted May 6, 2001 I fully agree with you visti regards JItendra Sodhi - "Visti Larsen" <vlarsen <gjlist> Saturday, May 05, 2001 7:56 PM Sv: [gjlist] 5th versus 4th education > Namaste Jitendra. > Mars is the analyst. > Mercury gives shallow/literate knowledge. > Jupiter gives complete understanding. > > Can you figure out the 4 others? > > Best wishes, Visti. > > > - > Jitendra Sodhi <astrology > <gjlist> > Saturday, May 05, 2001 9:10 AM > Re: [gjlist] 5th versus 4th education > > > > I will like to add that : > > > > Mercury Gives analytical Knowledge to a person > > and > > Juptier gives Vastness of knowledge . > > > > regards > > > > Jitendra Sodhi > > > > ------------- > > Tell your friends about Acme Consultant and Placements :- > > - Our Services are Free to the Candidates. > > - We Deal at all Levels in IT , Marketing , HR , Administration , Technical > > Job Placements . > > - Creme de la Creme of Indian Corporates are our Client . > > email resume at : cv > > > > - > > <lostinmotion > > <gjlist> > > Saturday, May 05, 2001 12:44 AM > > [gjlist] 5th versus 4th education > > > > > > > Namaste Manoj, > > > > > > I agree, experimentation is the key to success! And people should be > > > free to form their opinions. > > > > > > The 4th rules education as pointed out by Visti, and the argalas > > > concur with this. > > > > > > The 5th rules knowledge, which is also obtained without formal > > > education. Jaimini gives many forms of knowledge from the 5th that > > > could be learned at school or by own effort such as swordfighting, > > > singing, archery, math skill, etc. > > > > > > Similarly Mercury rules edcuation, and Jupiter knowledge. Jupiter is > > > the teacher, and Mercury the student. > > > > > > Look at the 4th from Mercury for education, and the 5th from Jupiter > > > for knowledge. > > > > > > BPHS > > > > > > Ch.70 sl.30 "All about knowledge, religious inclinations and son is > > > to be ascertained from the 5th bhava from Jupiter" > > > > > > Ch.11 sl.6 "The learned should deduce from the 5th house: amulets, > > > sacred spells, learning, knowledge, sons, royalty (or authority), > > > fall of position, etc." > > > > > > Ch.24 sl.43 "If the 4th's lord is in the 7th house, the native will > > > be endowed with a high degree of education, will sacrifice his > > > patrimony and be akin to the dumb in an assembly." > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Alex J > > > > > > > > > gjlist, "Manoj Pathak" <manojpathak@h...> wrote: > > > > Helo Alex, > > > > > > > > I would let it pass for the moment. I would let people form their > > > own > > > > opinions. I am no one to influence or colour their thinking. I have > > > > experimented a lot and only after experimentation had come to this > > > opinion. > > > > Especially 5th from Karkamsha but the Karkamsha put in rashi chart, > > > not in > > > > the navamsha which becomes Swamsha. Though most of the people work > > > other way > > > > round, Swamsha in Rashi and Karkamsha in Navamsha, but I tend to be > > > > different from others. Sorry, but thats me and my destiny, and I > > > accept it. > > > > > > > > with best wishes, > > > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > >lostinmotion@h... > > > > >gjlist > > > > >gjlist > > > > >[gjlist] Re: Divisional Charts - Manoj > > > > >Tue, 01 May 2001 15:47:32 -0000 > > > > > > > > > >Hello Manoj, > > > > > > > > > >MANOJ: Parashara gives education in the 5th house "Yantram, mantram > > > > >chaiv vidyam......" Read it. Though many are inclined to take > > > > >education from 4th as they take father from 10th. > > > > > > > > > >REPLY: Read farther on in this chapter when the 10th house is dealt > > > > >with. Father is listed under this house, not the 9th. > > > > > > > > > >In both cases, with the 5th for education, and 10th for father, > > > there > > > > >are other references in BPHS using the 4th for education, and 9th > > > for > > > > >father. The sage has given the use of both, so why not use the > > > houses > > > > >according to Parasar's recomendations? There must be specific uses > > > > >for each that are preferred. > > > > > > > > > >regards, > > > > > > > > > >Alex J > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ > > > ___ > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2001 Report Share Posted May 7, 2001 Dear List Members IMHO the 5th represents creative intelligence and spiritual education and the 4th represents material education . The 4th is the 12th from the 5th so it represnts the loss of the 5th house ..So when one's creative intelligence is used to accumulate assets ,properties,vehicles etc. it represents the loss of one's spiritual education . On the other hand the 5th house is the wealth of the 4th house (2nd from 4th) . so if one's material education brings you to acknowledging the greatness of the Supreme then this represents the real wealth of learning . Kind regards Nicholas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2001 Report Share Posted May 8, 2001 Dear Nicholas, 5th is the house of brain, intelligence, love enjoyment children . As brain is the main cause of education till the brain does form the mature form education should be judged from 5th. 4rth is not loss of 5th , take it as expenditure of 5th, a good expenditure means practice for brain, hard thinking, so take scientific studies, higher studies , where much expenditure of brain is required , from 4rth house. But even for higher education , if education is with pleasure i.e no great exercises are needed , 5th is the proper house. For higher studies in history, civics, arts etc. I will look at 5th house , for medical , commerce, engineering I will go to 4rth house. Now 3rd is 11th from the 5th , which so ever gives ,or add pleasure to mind/ will be given by 3rd, So music , painting , singing , all are 3rd house matters. 2nd is 10th from 5th. So it is work of brain, Good stars here , person will speak good to others, but to speak that , brain will have to act 1st. 9th is 5th from the 5th , Bhavat bhavam, so we must see 9th house also for higher education. A person with bad stars in 5th but good planets in 2nd may talk spiritual or pleasing , but may not be of good mind. Conclusion is ,5th is the real house of education/brain ,but others becomes part to it. With Regards, Inder Jit Sahni - Nicholas <costa <gjlist> Tuesday, May 08, 2001 3:54 AM Re: [gjlist] 5th versus 4th education > Dear List Members > IMHO the 5th represents creative intelligence and spiritual education and > the 4th represents material education . > The 4th is the 12th from the 5th so it represnts the loss of the 5th house > .So when one's creative intelligence is used to accumulate assets > ,properties,vehicles etc. it represents the loss of one's spiritual > education . On the other hand the 5th house is the wealth of the 4th house > (2nd from 4th) . so if one's material education brings you to acknowledging > the greatness of the Supreme then this represents the real wealth of > learning . > Kind regards > Nicholas > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > _______ Get your free @ address at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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