Guest guest Posted May 1, 2001 Report Share Posted May 1, 2001 Namaste. This post seems to be about the 4th and 5th house generally. Let me add the following(yes its silly); Argalas explain this the best, and should give a much better perspective. Let me first explain argalas to those unaware of them; + Argalas + The Argala is an intervention on the relevant house/graha, and can mold the effects of the specific house. The following houses(from the house/graha), cause; Argala: 2nd, 11th, 4th, 5th & 8th. Obstruction: 12th, 3rd, 10th, 9th & 6th. the inclusion of 5th, 9th 8th & 6th houses in this scheme cause subtle argalas, and aren't as visible as the others. The obstructioned Argalas cause argala in this mannor; 12th obstructs 2nd, 3rd obstructs 11th, and etc. An exception to this rule is that malefics in the 3rd house cause argala. Hence if a malefic in the 3rd house obstruct an argala in the 11th house, then after having obstructed the argala(11th), itself will give argala again. This is best seen when signing contracts/tests(3rd), etc. The 7th house has nothing todo with argalas, but has relevance, and can be both enimical and beneficial for the specific house/graha. + = + + Education + The 2nd from the 4th house shows the sustenance of ones education, hence if one isn't very bright(5th), then it will hinder the education(4th), and hence can give an untimely end to it. In the same mannor, a bad education(malefics in 4th), can give low intellect(5th), and hence the two are interlinked. The community/school one participates in this education is seen from the 2nd house(11th from 4th). And the tests(3rd) one participates in are in the 11th from the 5th house, showing that one gains in intellect, but however one can fail, and can give a loss in education(4th). If one does well in the tests, then one can move on to the next class or school, hence malefics in 3rd are good. Whether or not these tests are good or not will manifest in ones higher education(9th), and this higher education will give fortune to ones intellect(5th), but aren't always directly interlinked with ones formal education(4th). But one inherits(8th from 9th) the formal education(4th) into ones higher education(9th). Hence the conclussion is that both 4th and 5th are very important, but one should understand why and how. Does this make sense? Best wishes, Visti. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2001 Report Share Posted May 1, 2001 Hello Ram, This is correct :-) Best Wishes, Wendy ======================== Namaste Wendy guess you have already answered Manoj per your note below as to the 'primary' house for education re:5th house as ones progress in Education isn't likely without a 'strong' inclination of the mind with the others supporting it and showing ones possible level of attainment. Best wishes ..... Jai Sita Ram Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2001 Report Share Posted May 1, 2001 Namaste, Before going into Argala explanations, wouldn't it be easier to see what Jaimini himself attributed to the various houses. Take a look at Chapter 1 Q 2 of Jaimini Sutras where Jaimini goes systematically through each house. When he comes to the 4th he gives descriptions of the types of houses denoted by the planets, and when he gets to the 5th he gives a description of the types of learning a person has. Two examples are given below. Upadesa Sutras 4th "Jupiter in the 4th indicates a house made of wood." 5th "Jupiter in 5th indicates a genius having knowledge in various branches and a great author" regards, Alex J gjlist, "Visti Larsen" <vlarsen@h...> wrote: > Namaste. > This post seems to be about the 4th and 5th house generally. > > Let me add the following(yes its silly); > > Argalas explain this the best, and should give a much better perspective. > Let me first explain argalas to those unaware of them; > > + Argalas + > The Argala is an intervention on the relevant house/graha, and can mold the effects of the specific house. > > The following houses(from the house/graha), cause; > > Argala: 2nd, 11th, 4th, 5th & 8th. > Obstruction: 12th, 3rd, 10th, 9th & 6th. > > the inclusion of 5th, 9th 8th & 6th houses in this scheme cause subtle argalas, and aren't as visible as the others. > > The obstructioned Argalas cause argala in this mannor; > 12th obstructs 2nd, 3rd obstructs 11th, and etc. > > An exception to this rule is that malefics in the 3rd house cause argala. > Hence if a malefic in the 3rd house obstruct an argala in the 11th house, then after having obstructed the argala(11th), itself will give argala again. This is best seen when signing contracts/tests (3rd), etc. > > The 7th house has nothing todo with argalas, but has relevance, and can be both enimical and beneficial for the specific house/graha. > + = + > > + Education + > The 2nd from the 4th house shows the sustenance of ones education, hence if one isn't very bright(5th), then it will hinder the education (4th), and hence can give an untimely end to it. > > In the same mannor, a bad education(malefics in 4th), can give low intellect(5th), and hence the two are interlinked. > > The community/school one participates in this education is seen from the 2nd house(11th from 4th). > And the tests(3rd) one participates in are in the 11th from the 5th house, showing that one gains in intellect, but however one can fail, and can give a loss in education(4th). > > If one does well in the tests, then one can move on to the next class or school, hence malefics in 3rd are good. > > Whether or not these tests are good or not will manifest in ones higher education(9th), and this higher education will give fortune to ones intellect(5th), but aren't always directly interlinked with ones formal education(4th). But one inherits(8th from 9th) the formal education(4th) into ones higher education(9th). > > Hence the conclussion is that both 4th and 5th are very important, but one should understand why and how. > > Does this make sense? > Best wishes, Visti. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2001 Report Share Posted May 1, 2001 Namaste Visti, At 11:54 AM 5/1/01 +0200, you wrote: >Hence the conclussion is that both 4th and 5th are very important, but one >should understand why and how. > >Does this make sense? >Best wishes, Visti. This makes perfect sense, and thank you for elucidating the meanings of Argalas. Best wishes, Robert ===================================== Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer 760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. Bend, OR. 97701-9037 Phone: 541-318-0248 visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail rk. rk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2001 Report Share Posted May 1, 2001 Dear Manoj, Namaste - and thank you for your inquiry: At 12:54 PM 5/1/01 +0530, you wrote: >The second house, 4th house, 9th >house and not the primary houses of education but secondary and supporting >houses to the 5th house, the primary house of education and which gets >confirmed in Chaturvimshamsha. Robert has already done this exercise and he >says, for him 4th house gives him good results, very good. I am happy that >he is getting results this way, and if he can show me, through his examples, >I may also start using the 4th house, but for the present, its only the 5th >house, the planets in the 5th, the 5th house from Karaka Mercury and the >dasha running at the time, one is undergoing education. I will give you an example from my own chart, illustrating the 4th house for education. Here is my birth data, in case you do not have it: Sept. 18, 1947 08:25:37 AM PST San Francisco, CA USA Now, from the age of 7 up to the age of 16, I was enrolled in the San Francisco Conservatory of Music, which is a classical music college. I studied classical piano during that time, and also did concerts after passing my final exams. So where do you see this study from the 5th house of my rasi chart? 5th lord Saturn is in the 10th, but does not have much to do with the 3rd house or its lord, which has to with talents, especially music, or Venus, who is in the 12th. Admittedly, the 4th house and reference from it gives vague indications as well. However, going to the 24th division chart (education), Chaturvimsamsa, it is very clear. The fourth house is ruled by exalted Jupiter (classical education), and makes a direct aspect to Venus in the third. The lord of the 5th in D-24 is in the 12th, and has nothing to do with talents, music, performing, and education supporting it. Further, the dispositor of Venus and 3rd lord, Mars, joins Jupiter, and both form an unobstructed Argala also to exalted Mercury. This is but one example - time permitting, I will find more for you. Best wishes, Robert ===================================== Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer 760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. Bend, OR. 97701-9037 Phone: 541-318-0248 visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail rk. rk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2001 Report Share Posted May 5, 2001 Dear Inder Jit, Your kind (unsolicited) analysis is forwarded to list as you requested. I am in agreement with most of your findings and especially the observation regarding siblings...hope you will show me your methodology one day! Your analysis of Jupiter period also quite accurate, except for last period (Jupiter/Rahu) which brought great spiritual benefits, as I already mentioned in my reply to you. All the Best Wendy Inder Jit Sahni [isawhney_21] Tuesday, May 01, 2001 11:03 PM Wendy Vasicek Education Dear Wendy, Checking on education I checked your chart on this point, I noticed the following things from your birth chart . As per your time given in one of your post , you are Capricorn born, Saturn is your ascendant as well as sub lord, It is in 6th house sign , but is in 5th cusp, shows , submissive and mixing nature from outside , but very ambitious , one track ,handworker , stiff, and tough from inside. You have inborn quality to study , you are not eldest may be 5th or 6th conception of your mother , you looks like belonging to a family of large no's of siblings , I counted them as 11 from more than one father or mother. Now Jupiter though exalted in Rasi must have terminated your education or made interruption in your education. Saturn Antra in Jupiter mahadasa again put you in education and gives you success , it gives education with pleasure. Mercury dasa was not as good for education as was Saturn. Ketu and Venus might have terminated your education for long. Your 2nd house lord is Saturn but its sublord Jupiter , who is in the star of Mercury, it give you pleasure in teaching others or talking religion > Though Saturn makes a person silent and introvert ,but it is this Jupiter of your 2nd House Sublord , which does not let you remain silent , and once you start speaking there is no end to it. Your desires to study grows with the start of Saturn Mahadasa and I feel that you are studying from that period. Saturn Mahadasa is capable of providing university's degrees too(it is not because it's depositor is mercury , as you usually consider). Education without university degrees is also education. Saturn is also capable of giving chronic disease , connected with muscles and blood. This might start with Saturn mahadasa and Venus Antra. It also gives BP. Your Trinshasa shows origin of your soul from Religion , but your mind has emerged from Saturn. Further sun and Venus are most week stars in your birth chart. you might have enjoyed Jupiter Mahadasa , but in my terms it was the most wasteful time of your life in spiritual matters, but it was all with your desires and agreement. Saturn mahadasa was painful but very good for enlightening your spiritual pursuits and giving higher thoughts to you. But Jupiter in direct motion and Sun in the star of Combust Venus are major barriers for you in your spiritual upliftment. And you can not help making arguments, due to higher element of Mars in you. This is a compliment from a KP astrologer. With Regards, Inder Jit Sahni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2001 Report Share Posted May 5, 2001 Dear Inder Jit, Should have been a bit more precise in what I said regarding your analysis. I should have said that your whole analysis was amazingly accurate and I admire your analytical ability. The section regarding my position in family and number of co-born, etc, was startlingly accurate. I hope you will take the time to show us all how you arrived at that conclusion. My best Regards Wendy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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