Astrology

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Dear Pursottam,

 

In pursuance of my direct mail to you here what may interest others too. As I

said, the study of astrology is secondary to me, more the philosophy it implies.

 

You expressed very nicely all the problems that face the astrologer and why it

is so difficult to do any research. This is true, was more true before the

computer age broke in. I am sure a research-minded programmer can find ways to

analyse. The programme Jigsaw claims to be able to do a lot. I have it, but have

not started using it as yet.

 

Another thing in life: I have found that wayside astrologers in Madras, who do a

quickie in an hour or so for a pittance, can often say more than those who give

consultations for large fees. One guy looked only at my palm, wrote down my

rasi chart, gave my date of birth and time within plus minus half an hour.

Nadis are not accurate, but what they do say is remarkable. None of these goes

too deep into vargas and parallax etc. just goes by general rasi position. Nadi

lagnas are often way out.

 

Intuition yes. But attuned to some positions. So any research must just start

from basics and then go on to refine.

 

Unfortunately all my older records are tied up at present, but I have been

casting charts for all those who gave their data on the list. Statistically I

feel this:

1. the majority of very well-versed, those who quote at once from the books and

take a traditional view have Mercury very close to the sun - practically

combust. This position seems to give a tremendous memorizing capacity, but at

the cost of independent thinking: piety leads to fear of finding something to

the contrary, which may endanger the piety!

 

2. Those whose Mercury is very remote, say 26° away (for me symbolically

opposition to sun), also quote, but often contradictory to tradition, interpret

differently, generally "oppose" the first group. They also take outers often.

This applies if the distance is small, but rasi changes.

 

3. those whose Mercury is midway don´t say much, prefer to listen!

 

4. Robert and Liliane are exceptions: Robert is midway, but more orthodox.

Liliane is combust, but uses outers! Naturally other aspects will affect.

Dasji is combust, orthodox, but over the last 4 years seems to take the outers

more seriously.

 

5. I am a middler and meddler. Fight against all camps, hoping the fight will

crystallize the truth! Hope people will think up better and better arguments to

support their view to see who wins. But am ignorant of all intricacies.

 

We can certainly jump from one dasa system to anther to explain the past. But

what of the future? Is it not better to study one system thoroughly and learn

its intricacies? If tob, ayanamsa, parallax are all uncertain, why should

another dasa be better except for that chart and event? If all my bricks were of

uncetain size I would build my home out of clay!

 

regards

Mani

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Dear Mani,

 

Namaskara -

 

You wrote:

 

>We can certainly jump from one dasa system to anther to explain the past. But

>what of the future? Is it not better to study one system thoroughly and

>learn

>its intricacies? If tob, ayanamsa, parallax are all uncertain, why should

>another dasa be better except for that chart and event? If all my bricks

>were of

>uncetain size I would build my home out of clay!

 

Very good point. However, there are some Rasi dasa systems which are going

to be correct, even if the above criteria are uncertain. Take, for

example, Chara dasa: It is calculated on the basis of how far the lord of

the ascendant, and then successive signs, has travelled from the ascendant

and successive signs. Each sign that the lord is removed from the house

that it rules, contributes one year toward the length of the dasa. Thus

the dasa calculation has nothing to do with the lunar naksatra position,

and, as long as your Ayanamsa is reasonably correct, you can generally be

satisfied that you have the correct ascendant for the chart. Thus the

ascendant could be anywhere within a 30 degree range of the sign, and you

are still going to get accurate dasas.

 

Summarizing my point:

 

Rasi dasas:

 

* The accuracy of Rasi dasas depend only on the accuracy of the

ascendant. As long as the sign of the lagna is known, then the dasas will

be exactly correct, regardless of marginal differences in TOB, Ayanamsa, or

parallax/no parallax.

 

Naksatra dasas:

 

* Yogini dasa: Lunar naksatra dasa systems are + or - accurate, not just

based on TOB, Ayanamsa, and parallax or no parallax. They are also

calculated on the basis of the Paramayus, or total number of years

contributed to the life span, as well as the lengths of dasa themselves

proportioned out over an arc of 13:20 degrees. If the dasas are very

short, then the margin of error is going to be much less. Yogini dasa is

like that: the longest dasa is 8 years, and the Paramayus is 36, with dasas

calculated on the same principles of Vimsottari, namely the lunar naksatra

position. So, proportionately the margin of error is going to make much

less difference in terms of inaccuracies of dates.

 

* Kalachakra dasa: Here, the opposite is true. The Paramayus of most

Kalachakra dasas are very long. Also, in the case of the dasa of Cancer

(Moon), it is 21 years long. The hitch is, that 21 years for Cancer dasa

is proportioned out to only one naksatra pada, instead of the entire

naksatra, as in the case of all other naksatra dasas. This is the

equivalent of one Navamsa, or 3:20 degrees. This means that an error of

birth time of as little as one minute, will mean an inaccuracy of the dasa

of up to 8 months. So obviously, you would not use KCD unless you were

very certain of the TOB, ayanamsa, etc.

 

So it all depends on which dasa you use. If you are confident of your

parameters, you can use even Kalachakra, and what to speak of Vimsottari

with success. If you are less confident, Yogini dasa will still prove to

be accurate, even with less confidence in your parameters; and with Rasi

dasas, you can be confident of 100% accuracy even if all you are certain of

is the ascendant itself.

 

Best wishes,

Robert

 

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Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

760 NW Broken Arrow Rd.

Bend, OR. 97701-9037

Phone: 541-318-0248

visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail

rk. rk

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Robert A. Koch wrote:

> Dear Mani,

>

> Namaskara -

>................................

 

Dear Robert,

 

Thank you very much for clarification. I admire your patience and thoroughness

in giving such clear explanations. I wish I could get some book where 5 charts

are fully analysed using all the methods, only predictive, irrespective of

whether they fit actual events. They could even be fictive charts. Then a

beginner could just try out everything and find out. At present the info is so

scattered, I don´t know when I´ll be able to read and learn. But the

consolation: I don´t need to learn at all!

 

regards

Mani