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Dear Members,

 

As with many of the techniques used in jyotish, there seems to be great

variance of opinions regarding the use of divisional charts. Some adhere to

the theory that the divisional charts actually override (supersede) the

Rashi. This, to my mind, flies in the face of common sense. I think Manoj

made the point that the divisional charts (as divisions of the Rashi) cannot

deliver what is not promised in the Rashi to start with. This I agree with

but would like to elaborate a bit.

 

When determining the outcome of dasas, subdasas, etc; the position and

strength of the (dasa) lords in the vargas will tell how those particular

areas of life will fare during that time.

 

For instance, during a Saturn dasa in 6th house, a native experienced

several marriages and several divorces. In the navamsha Saturn & Venus are

well placed in 2nd house (giving marriages), but the aspect of 8th lord Mars

brought separation and divorce. The Rashi chart of course supports numerous

marriages with 12th lord Jupiter conjunct Rahu in 7th house of marriage. But

why didn't this manifest during the preceding Jupiter dasa as one might

suppose.

 

The navamsha gives the answer of course. In navamsha Rahu and Jupiter form a

beneficial yoga in the 5th house...married life fared well during this time.

 

I'm not attempting to belittle the importance, or minimise the use of the

divisional charts but to use them in place of, and in preference to the

Rashi is ludicrous to my mind.

 

Regards

Wendy

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Dear Anshu,

 

Basically the Trimsamsa tells us all about our cherished desires, etc.

Planets favourably placed in Trimsamsa have the potential to do all that is

ascribed to them as significators. Likewise the significations of planets

badly placed in Trimsamsa are somewhat restricted. This is my very basic

understanding. To be quite honest I've not focused a lot on this particular

varga, but others may be able to give you a clearer picture...sorry I

couldn't be more helpful!

 

It is said that the affairs related to Trimsamsa of Sun play a prominent

part in moulding the nature of the native.

 

Regards

Wendy

 

You wrote:

==========

Dear Wendy,

 

I am new in the group.

 

Please let me know about interpretation of the Trimsamsa divisional chart.

 

 

Best regards

 

Anshu

 

-

"Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas

"Gjlist (AT) (DOT) Com" <gjlist>

Saturday, 28 April, 2001 03:09 AM

[gjlist] Divisional Charts

 

 

> Dear Members,

>

> As with many of the techniques used in jyotish, there seems to be great

> variance of opinions regarding the use of divisional charts. Some adhere

to

> the theory that the divisional charts actually override (supersede) the

> Rashi. This, to my mind, flies in the face of common sense. I think Manoj

> made the point that the divisional charts (as divisions of the Rashi)

cannot

> deliver what is not promised in the Rashi to start with. This I agree with

> but would like to elaborate a bit.

>

> When determining the outcome of dasas, subdasas, etc; the position and

> strength of the (dasa) lords in the vargas will tell how those particular

> areas of life will fare during that time.

>

> For instance, during a Saturn dasa in 6th house, a native experienced

> several marriages and several divorces. In the navamsha Saturn & Venus are

> well placed in 2nd house (giving marriages), but the aspect of 8th lord

Mars

> brought separation and divorce. The Rashi chart of course supports

numerous

> marriages with 12th lord Jupiter conjunct Rahu in 7th house of marriage.

But

> why didn't this manifest during the preceding Jupiter dasa as one might

> suppose.

>

> The navamsha gives the answer of course. In navamsha Rahu and Jupiter form

a

> beneficial yoga in the 5th house...married life fared well during this

time.

>

> I'm not attempting to belittle the importance, or minimise the use of the

> divisional charts but to use them in place of, and in preference to the

> Rashi is ludicrous to my mind.

>

> Regards

> Wendy

>

>

>

> gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

>

 

 

 

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Namaste Wendy,

 

It is true that the divisional charts only deliver effects in the

areas of life they control. However, Navamsa controls all aspects of

life, as does the rasi, but has the power to give its results over

the Rasi, which has not been attributed to the other divisional

charts.

 

Many of the important classics say that the Navamsa positions may

supercede that of the rasi. I'll list a few:

 

HORA SARA

 

"The results for Rashi and amsha positions have thus been said and

the predictions should be based on whichever is stronger. Should they

be equal in strength one should assume balanced results."

 

Jataka Parijata

 

"Planets produce depression effects if they occupy in their

exaltation signs the Navamsha belonging in their depression signs.

Planets produce exaltation effects if in their depression signs they

occupy the Navamsha of their exaltation signs."

 

This clearly shows that the Navamsa can be more powerful to give

results than Rasi.

 

BRIHAT PARASARA HORA SASTRA

 

"Coiled Birth: If there be a birth in one of Aries, Taurus, and Leo

Lagnas containing either Saturn or Mars, the birth of the child is

with a coil around a limb. The corresponding limb will be in

accordance with the Rashi or Navamsha rising."

 

Here it is shown that preference can clearly be given to Navamsa

indications of the body/lagna.

 

BRIHAT JATAKA

 

"If, at the time of birth, the sign Aries, Vrisa, or Leo be the

rising sign ,and if it be occupied by Mars or Saturn, then the child

born will be coiled round by the umbilical cord on that part of its

body corresponding to that of the Zodiacal Man indicated by the

rising Navamsha."

 

Here preference is given to navamsa only.

 

"The birth will occur in places represented by the rising sign or

Navamshas, whichever is powerful."

 

"The child resembles, in structure and other peculiarities of the

body, the ruler of the rising Navamsha or the Ascendant."

 

regards,

 

Alex J

 

gjlist, "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@o...> wrote:

> Dear Members,

>

> As with many of the techniques used in jyotish, there seems to be

great

> variance of opinions regarding the use of divisional charts. Some

adhere to

> the theory that the divisional charts actually override (supersede)

the

> Rashi. This, to my mind, flies in the face of common sense. I think

Manoj

> made the point that the divisional charts (as divisions of the

Rashi) cannot

> deliver what is not promised in the Rashi to start with. This I

agree with

> but would like to elaborate a bit.

>

> When determining the outcome of dasas, subdasas, etc; the position

and

> strength of the (dasa) lords in the vargas will tell how those

particular

> areas of life will fare during that time.

>

> For instance, during a Saturn dasa in 6th house, a native

experienced

> several marriages and several divorces. In the navamsha Saturn &

Venus are

> well placed in 2nd house (giving marriages), but the aspect of 8th

lord Mars

> brought separation and divorce. The Rashi chart of course supports

numerous

> marriages with 12th lord Jupiter conjunct Rahu in 7th house of

marriage. But

> why didn't this manifest during the preceding Jupiter dasa as one

might

> suppose.

>

> The navamsha gives the answer of course. In navamsha Rahu and

Jupiter form a

> beneficial yoga in the 5th house...married life fared well during

this time.

>

> I'm not attempting to belittle the importance, or minimise the use

of the

> divisional charts but to use them in place of, and in preference to

the

> Rashi is ludicrous to my mind.

>

> Regards

> Wendy

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Wendy Vasicek wrote:

> Dear Members,

>

>

> For instance, during a Saturn dasa in 6th house, a native experienced

> several marriages and several divorces. In the navamsha Saturn & Venus are

> well placed in 2nd house (giving marriages), but the aspect of 8th lord Mars

> brought separation and divorce. The Rashi chart of course supports numerous

> marriages with 12th lord Jupiter conjunct Rahu in 7th house of marriage. But

> why didn't this manifest during the preceding Jupiter dasa as one might

> suppose.

>

> The navamsha gives the answer of course. In navamsha Rahu and Jupiter form a

> beneficial yoga in the 5th house...married life fared well during this time.

>

> I'm not attempting to belittle the importance, or minimise the use of the

> divisional charts but to use them in place of, and in preference to the

> Rashi is ludicrous to my mind.

 

Dear Wendy,

 

May Iplease ask you to give the deatails about the person you are talking about?

Data of birth and times of marriages and divorce?

 

I often get the feeling that the wood is not being seen for the trees! The Rasi

chart is the BASIC. Natural benefics and natural malefics are such always. The

tatkalika relationships and effects by ownership of houses can only colour the

basic chart. For my taurus lagna Jupiter is an enemy. As putrakaraka he sits in

my 5th. This certainly destroyed happiness from children for many years. But my

children are good kids, have come back to me with great affection and respect.

 

During the jupiter dasa I was unhappy at home, but I was a very good student,

always passed with honours. During Saturn dasa I had power and position, but it

was restricted and often caused misery. Western astrology may be weak because it

does not consider tatkalika effects, but jyothish seems to go to the other

extreme and FORGETS natural tendencies! At present I am in a debate with our

genius Pursottam: he claims Saturn helped someone to win a huge amount in

thevlottery. I don´t accept this: IMHO Saturn himself is never generous, but

works fatefully. Any generosity must come from other planets.

 

Similarly the discussion about beauty. Saturn does not give any beauty; he gives

authority. So his involvement is "impressiveness". I don´t have the charts, but

actresses like Greta Garbo, Joan Crawford or Katherine Hepburn would probably

have had a strong saturn influence: they were not exactly feminine, but were

somehow fascinating. On the other hand, Audrey Hepburn, Jean Simmons, Claire

Bloom, Greer Garson , Ann Blyth , Vivian Leigh (whose eyes were too close to

each other!) etc. were no beauties but were so charming: mercury would perhaps

given them this charm. Grace Kelly, Marilyn Monroe & co. must have had very good

venus and moon, for they radiated feminine beauty (at least in my eyes!) To this

category I´d add Michael Jackson: I saw him as a lovely girl, not a man at all!

 

As to the male side: Clark Gable and Gregory Peck would be jovian, but John

Wayne, Jack Palance, Kirk Douglas etc. saturnian. Gary Cooper, Walter Pidgeon,

James Stewart etc, and might have had a good mars plus mercury.

 

What I learnt in my profession as engineer was this: NEVER get into ruts, keep

your eyes for open for the unexpected! Wherever I worked I was

"trouble-shooter" and found the root of the problem where I did not expect it,

but where my intuition led me to seek. RULES ARE BLOCKADES! It is the principle

behind the rule that counts.

 

regards

Mani

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Dear Wendy,

 

I am new in the group.

 

Please let me know about interpretation of the Trimsamsa divisional chart.

 

 

Best regards

 

Anshu

 

-

"Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas

"Gjlist (AT) (DOT) Com" <gjlist>

Saturday, 28 April, 2001 03:09 AM

[gjlist] Divisional Charts

 

 

> Dear Members,

>

> As with many of the techniques used in jyotish, there seems to be great

> variance of opinions regarding the use of divisional charts. Some adhere

to

> the theory that the divisional charts actually override (supersede) the

> Rashi. This, to my mind, flies in the face of common sense. I think Manoj

> made the point that the divisional charts (as divisions of the Rashi)

cannot

> deliver what is not promised in the Rashi to start with. This I agree with

> but would like to elaborate a bit.

>

> When determining the outcome of dasas, subdasas, etc; the position and

> strength of the (dasa) lords in the vargas will tell how those particular

> areas of life will fare during that time.

>

> For instance, during a Saturn dasa in 6th house, a native experienced

> several marriages and several divorces. In the navamsha Saturn & Venus are

> well placed in 2nd house (giving marriages), but the aspect of 8th lord

Mars

> brought separation and divorce. The Rashi chart of course supports

numerous

> marriages with 12th lord Jupiter conjunct Rahu in 7th house of marriage.

But

> why didn't this manifest during the preceding Jupiter dasa as one might

> suppose.

>

> The navamsha gives the answer of course. In navamsha Rahu and Jupiter form

a

> beneficial yoga in the 5th house...married life fared well during this

time.

>

> I'm not attempting to belittle the importance, or minimise the use of the

> divisional charts but to use them in place of, and in preference to the

> Rashi is ludicrous to my mind.

>

> Regards

> Wendy

>

>

>

> gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

>

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Dear Wendy,

 

Thank you. At least I have a perspective on the varga now. Thank you.

 

Regards

 

Anshu

 

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"Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas

<gjlist>

Saturday, 28 April, 2001 05:50 AM

RE: [gjlist] Divisional Charts

 

 

> Dear Anshu,

>

> Basically the Trimsamsa tells us all about our cherished desires, etc.

> Planets favourably placed in Trimsamsa have the potential to do all that

is

> ascribed to them as significators. Likewise the significations of planets

> badly placed in Trimsamsa are somewhat restricted. This is my very basic

> understanding. To be quite honest I've not focused a lot on this

particular

> varga, but others may be able to give you a clearer picture...sorry I

> couldn't be more helpful!

>

> It is said that the affairs related to Trimsamsa of Sun play a prominent

> part in moulding the nature of the native.

>

> Regards

> Wendy

>

> You wrote:

> ==========

> Dear Wendy,

>

> I am new in the group.

>

> Please let me know about interpretation of the Trimsamsa divisional chart.

>

>

> Best regards

>

> Anshu

>

> -

> "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas

> "Gjlist (AT) (DOT) Com" <gjlist>

> Saturday, 28 April, 2001 03:09 AM

> [gjlist] Divisional Charts

>

>

> > Dear Members,

> >

> > As with many of the techniques used in jyotish, there seems to be great

> > variance of opinions regarding the use of divisional charts. Some adhere

> to

> > the theory that the divisional charts actually override (supersede) the

> > Rashi. This, to my mind, flies in the face of common sense. I think

Manoj

> > made the point that the divisional charts (as divisions of the Rashi)

> cannot

> > deliver what is not promised in the Rashi to start with. This I agree

with

> > but would like to elaborate a bit.

> >

> > When determining the outcome of dasas, subdasas, etc; the position and

> > strength of the (dasa) lords in the vargas will tell how those

particular

> > areas of life will fare during that time.

> >

> > For instance, during a Saturn dasa in 6th house, a native experienced

> > several marriages and several divorces. In the navamsha Saturn & Venus

are

> > well placed in 2nd house (giving marriages), but the aspect of 8th lord

> Mars

> > brought separation and divorce. The Rashi chart of course supports

> numerous

> > marriages with 12th lord Jupiter conjunct Rahu in 7th house of marriage.

> But

> > why didn't this manifest during the preceding Jupiter dasa as one might

> > suppose.

> >

> > The navamsha gives the answer of course. In navamsha Rahu and Jupiter

form

> a

> > beneficial yoga in the 5th house...married life fared well during this

> time.

> >

> > I'm not attempting to belittle the importance, or minimise the use of

the

> > divisional charts but to use them in place of, and in preference to the

> > Rashi is ludicrous to my mind.

> >

> > Regards

> > Wendy

> >

> >

> >

> > gjlist-

> >

> >

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

 

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

>

>

>

> gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

>

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Namaste Alex,

 

Thank you.

 

The Trimsamsa I was looking at has Pisces ascendant with Mercury®, Sun,

Moon and Mars posited therein. Venus in Gemini in 4H, Saturn in Virgo in 6H,

Rahu & Ketu in Capricorn in 11H and Jupiter® in Aquarius in 12H.

 

Please let me have your views.

 

Regards

 

Anshu

 

 

 

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<gjlist>

Saturday, 28 April, 2001 06:37 AM

[gjlist] Re: Divisional Charts

 

 

> Namste,

>

> The Trimsamsa can be looked at much like in the navamsa for various

> matters. The specific indication is "evil effects".

>

> But the Trimsamsa chart also gives effects to character of person, so

> look to position of lagna, moon and sun in signs, as well as

> powerfully placed planets there.

>

> regards,

>

> Alex J

>

> gjlist, "Anshu Sood" <anshusood@u...> wrote:

> > Dear Wendy,

> >

> > I am new in the group.

> >

> > Please let me know about interpretation of the Trimsamsa divisional

> chart.

> >

> >

> > Best regards

> >

> > Anshu

> >

> > -

> > "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@o...>

> > "Gjlist (AT) (DOT) Com" <gjlist>

> > Saturday, 28 April, 2001 03:09 AM

> > [gjlist] Divisional Charts

> >

> >

> > > Dear Members,

> > >

> > > As with many of the techniques used in jyotish, there seems to be

> great

> > > variance of opinions regarding the use of divisional charts. Some

> adhere

> > to

> > > the theory that the divisional charts actually override

> (supersede) the

> > > Rashi. This, to my mind, flies in the face of common sense. I

> think Manoj

> > > made the point that the divisional charts (as divisions of the

> Rashi)

> > cannot

> > > deliver what is not promised in the Rashi to start with. This I

> agree with

> > > but would like to elaborate a bit.

> > >

> > > When determining the outcome of dasas, subdasas, etc; the

> position and

> > > strength of the (dasa) lords in the vargas will tell how those

> particular

> > > areas of life will fare during that time.

> > >

> > > For instance, during a Saturn dasa in 6th house, a native

> experienced

> > > several marriages and several divorces. In the navamsha Saturn &

> Venus are

> > > well placed in 2nd house (giving marriages), but the aspect of

> 8th lord

> > Mars

> > > brought separation and divorce. The Rashi chart of course supports

> > numerous

> > > marriages with 12th lord Jupiter conjunct Rahu in 7th house of

> marriage.

> > But

> > > why didn't this manifest during the preceding Jupiter dasa as one

> might

> > > suppose.

> > >

> > > The navamsha gives the answer of course. In navamsha Rahu and

> Jupiter form

> > a

> > > beneficial yoga in the 5th house...married life fared well during

> this

> > time.

> > >

> > > I'm not attempting to belittle the importance, or minimise the

> use of the

> > > divisional charts but to use them in place of, and in preference

> to the

> > > Rashi is ludicrous to my mind.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Wendy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > gjlist-

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Your use of is subject to

>

> > >

> > >

> > >

>

>

>

> gjlist-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

>

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