Guest guest Posted April 28, 2001 Report Share Posted April 28, 2001 Dear Members, As with many of the techniques used in jyotish, there seems to be great variance of opinions regarding the use of divisional charts. Some adhere to the theory that the divisional charts actually override (supersede) the Rashi. This, to my mind, flies in the face of common sense. I think Manoj made the point that the divisional charts (as divisions of the Rashi) cannot deliver what is not promised in the Rashi to start with. This I agree with but would like to elaborate a bit. When determining the outcome of dasas, subdasas, etc; the position and strength of the (dasa) lords in the vargas will tell how those particular areas of life will fare during that time. For instance, during a Saturn dasa in 6th house, a native experienced several marriages and several divorces. In the navamsha Saturn & Venus are well placed in 2nd house (giving marriages), but the aspect of 8th lord Mars brought separation and divorce. The Rashi chart of course supports numerous marriages with 12th lord Jupiter conjunct Rahu in 7th house of marriage. But why didn't this manifest during the preceding Jupiter dasa as one might suppose. The navamsha gives the answer of course. In navamsha Rahu and Jupiter form a beneficial yoga in the 5th house...married life fared well during this time. I'm not attempting to belittle the importance, or minimise the use of the divisional charts but to use them in place of, and in preference to the Rashi is ludicrous to my mind. Regards Wendy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2001 Report Share Posted April 28, 2001 Dear Anshu, Basically the Trimsamsa tells us all about our cherished desires, etc. Planets favourably placed in Trimsamsa have the potential to do all that is ascribed to them as significators. Likewise the significations of planets badly placed in Trimsamsa are somewhat restricted. This is my very basic understanding. To be quite honest I've not focused a lot on this particular varga, but others may be able to give you a clearer picture...sorry I couldn't be more helpful! It is said that the affairs related to Trimsamsa of Sun play a prominent part in moulding the nature of the native. Regards Wendy You wrote: ========== Dear Wendy, I am new in the group. Please let me know about interpretation of the Trimsamsa divisional chart. Best regards Anshu - "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas "Gjlist (AT) (DOT) Com" <gjlist> Saturday, 28 April, 2001 03:09 AM [gjlist] Divisional Charts > Dear Members, > > As with many of the techniques used in jyotish, there seems to be great > variance of opinions regarding the use of divisional charts. Some adhere to > the theory that the divisional charts actually override (supersede) the > Rashi. This, to my mind, flies in the face of common sense. I think Manoj > made the point that the divisional charts (as divisions of the Rashi) cannot > deliver what is not promised in the Rashi to start with. This I agree with > but would like to elaborate a bit. > > When determining the outcome of dasas, subdasas, etc; the position and > strength of the (dasa) lords in the vargas will tell how those particular > areas of life will fare during that time. > > For instance, during a Saturn dasa in 6th house, a native experienced > several marriages and several divorces. In the navamsha Saturn & Venus are > well placed in 2nd house (giving marriages), but the aspect of 8th lord Mars > brought separation and divorce. The Rashi chart of course supports numerous > marriages with 12th lord Jupiter conjunct Rahu in 7th house of marriage. But > why didn't this manifest during the preceding Jupiter dasa as one might > suppose. > > The navamsha gives the answer of course. In navamsha Rahu and Jupiter form a > beneficial yoga in the 5th house...married life fared well during this time. > > I'm not attempting to belittle the importance, or minimise the use of the > divisional charts but to use them in place of, and in preference to the > Rashi is ludicrous to my mind. > > Regards > Wendy > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > gjlist- Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2001 Report Share Posted April 28, 2001 Namaste Wendy, It is true that the divisional charts only deliver effects in the areas of life they control. However, Navamsa controls all aspects of life, as does the rasi, but has the power to give its results over the Rasi, which has not been attributed to the other divisional charts. Many of the important classics say that the Navamsa positions may supercede that of the rasi. I'll list a few: HORA SARA "The results for Rashi and amsha positions have thus been said and the predictions should be based on whichever is stronger. Should they be equal in strength one should assume balanced results." Jataka Parijata "Planets produce depression effects if they occupy in their exaltation signs the Navamsha belonging in their depression signs. Planets produce exaltation effects if in their depression signs they occupy the Navamsha of their exaltation signs." This clearly shows that the Navamsa can be more powerful to give results than Rasi. BRIHAT PARASARA HORA SASTRA "Coiled Birth: If there be a birth in one of Aries, Taurus, and Leo Lagnas containing either Saturn or Mars, the birth of the child is with a coil around a limb. The corresponding limb will be in accordance with the Rashi or Navamsha rising." Here it is shown that preference can clearly be given to Navamsa indications of the body/lagna. BRIHAT JATAKA "If, at the time of birth, the sign Aries, Vrisa, or Leo be the rising sign ,and if it be occupied by Mars or Saturn, then the child born will be coiled round by the umbilical cord on that part of its body corresponding to that of the Zodiacal Man indicated by the rising Navamsha." Here preference is given to navamsa only. "The birth will occur in places represented by the rising sign or Navamshas, whichever is powerful." "The child resembles, in structure and other peculiarities of the body, the ruler of the rising Navamsha or the Ascendant." regards, Alex J gjlist, "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@o...> wrote: > Dear Members, > > As with many of the techniques used in jyotish, there seems to be great > variance of opinions regarding the use of divisional charts. Some adhere to > the theory that the divisional charts actually override (supersede) the > Rashi. This, to my mind, flies in the face of common sense. I think Manoj > made the point that the divisional charts (as divisions of the Rashi) cannot > deliver what is not promised in the Rashi to start with. This I agree with > but would like to elaborate a bit. > > When determining the outcome of dasas, subdasas, etc; the position and > strength of the (dasa) lords in the vargas will tell how those particular > areas of life will fare during that time. > > For instance, during a Saturn dasa in 6th house, a native experienced > several marriages and several divorces. In the navamsha Saturn & Venus are > well placed in 2nd house (giving marriages), but the aspect of 8th lord Mars > brought separation and divorce. The Rashi chart of course supports numerous > marriages with 12th lord Jupiter conjunct Rahu in 7th house of marriage. But > why didn't this manifest during the preceding Jupiter dasa as one might > suppose. > > The navamsha gives the answer of course. In navamsha Rahu and Jupiter form a > beneficial yoga in the 5th house...married life fared well during this time. > > I'm not attempting to belittle the importance, or minimise the use of the > divisional charts but to use them in place of, and in preference to the > Rashi is ludicrous to my mind. > > Regards > Wendy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2001 Report Share Posted April 28, 2001 Wendy Vasicek wrote: > Dear Members, > > > For instance, during a Saturn dasa in 6th house, a native experienced > several marriages and several divorces. In the navamsha Saturn & Venus are > well placed in 2nd house (giving marriages), but the aspect of 8th lord Mars > brought separation and divorce. The Rashi chart of course supports numerous > marriages with 12th lord Jupiter conjunct Rahu in 7th house of marriage. But > why didn't this manifest during the preceding Jupiter dasa as one might > suppose. > > The navamsha gives the answer of course. In navamsha Rahu and Jupiter form a > beneficial yoga in the 5th house...married life fared well during this time. > > I'm not attempting to belittle the importance, or minimise the use of the > divisional charts but to use them in place of, and in preference to the > Rashi is ludicrous to my mind. Dear Wendy, May Iplease ask you to give the deatails about the person you are talking about? Data of birth and times of marriages and divorce? I often get the feeling that the wood is not being seen for the trees! The Rasi chart is the BASIC. Natural benefics and natural malefics are such always. The tatkalika relationships and effects by ownership of houses can only colour the basic chart. For my taurus lagna Jupiter is an enemy. As putrakaraka he sits in my 5th. This certainly destroyed happiness from children for many years. But my children are good kids, have come back to me with great affection and respect. During the jupiter dasa I was unhappy at home, but I was a very good student, always passed with honours. During Saturn dasa I had power and position, but it was restricted and often caused misery. Western astrology may be weak because it does not consider tatkalika effects, but jyothish seems to go to the other extreme and FORGETS natural tendencies! At present I am in a debate with our genius Pursottam: he claims Saturn helped someone to win a huge amount in thevlottery. I don´t accept this: IMHO Saturn himself is never generous, but works fatefully. Any generosity must come from other planets. Similarly the discussion about beauty. Saturn does not give any beauty; he gives authority. So his involvement is "impressiveness". I don´t have the charts, but actresses like Greta Garbo, Joan Crawford or Katherine Hepburn would probably have had a strong saturn influence: they were not exactly feminine, but were somehow fascinating. On the other hand, Audrey Hepburn, Jean Simmons, Claire Bloom, Greer Garson , Ann Blyth , Vivian Leigh (whose eyes were too close to each other!) etc. were no beauties but were so charming: mercury would perhaps given them this charm. Grace Kelly, Marilyn Monroe & co. must have had very good venus and moon, for they radiated feminine beauty (at least in my eyes!) To this category I´d add Michael Jackson: I saw him as a lovely girl, not a man at all! As to the male side: Clark Gable and Gregory Peck would be jovian, but John Wayne, Jack Palance, Kirk Douglas etc. saturnian. Gary Cooper, Walter Pidgeon, James Stewart etc, and might have had a good mars plus mercury. What I learnt in my profession as engineer was this: NEVER get into ruts, keep your eyes for open for the unexpected! Wherever I worked I was "trouble-shooter" and found the root of the problem where I did not expect it, but where my intuition led me to seek. RULES ARE BLOCKADES! It is the principle behind the rule that counts. regards Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2001 Report Share Posted April 28, 2001 Dear Wendy, I am new in the group. Please let me know about interpretation of the Trimsamsa divisional chart. Best regards Anshu - "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas "Gjlist (AT) (DOT) Com" <gjlist> Saturday, 28 April, 2001 03:09 AM [gjlist] Divisional Charts > Dear Members, > > As with many of the techniques used in jyotish, there seems to be great > variance of opinions regarding the use of divisional charts. Some adhere to > the theory that the divisional charts actually override (supersede) the > Rashi. This, to my mind, flies in the face of common sense. I think Manoj > made the point that the divisional charts (as divisions of the Rashi) cannot > deliver what is not promised in the Rashi to start with. This I agree with > but would like to elaborate a bit. > > When determining the outcome of dasas, subdasas, etc; the position and > strength of the (dasa) lords in the vargas will tell how those particular > areas of life will fare during that time. > > For instance, during a Saturn dasa in 6th house, a native experienced > several marriages and several divorces. In the navamsha Saturn & Venus are > well placed in 2nd house (giving marriages), but the aspect of 8th lord Mars > brought separation and divorce. The Rashi chart of course supports numerous > marriages with 12th lord Jupiter conjunct Rahu in 7th house of marriage. But > why didn't this manifest during the preceding Jupiter dasa as one might > suppose. > > The navamsha gives the answer of course. In navamsha Rahu and Jupiter form a > beneficial yoga in the 5th house...married life fared well during this time. > > I'm not attempting to belittle the importance, or minimise the use of the > divisional charts but to use them in place of, and in preference to the > Rashi is ludicrous to my mind. > > Regards > Wendy > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2001 Report Share Posted April 29, 2001 Dear Wendy, Thank you. At least I have a perspective on the varga now. Thank you. Regards Anshu - "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas <gjlist> Saturday, 28 April, 2001 05:50 AM RE: [gjlist] Divisional Charts > Dear Anshu, > > Basically the Trimsamsa tells us all about our cherished desires, etc. > Planets favourably placed in Trimsamsa have the potential to do all that is > ascribed to them as significators. Likewise the significations of planets > badly placed in Trimsamsa are somewhat restricted. This is my very basic > understanding. To be quite honest I've not focused a lot on this particular > varga, but others may be able to give you a clearer picture...sorry I > couldn't be more helpful! > > It is said that the affairs related to Trimsamsa of Sun play a prominent > part in moulding the nature of the native. > > Regards > Wendy > > You wrote: > ========== > Dear Wendy, > > I am new in the group. > > Please let me know about interpretation of the Trimsamsa divisional chart. > > > Best regards > > Anshu > > - > "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas > "Gjlist (AT) (DOT) Com" <gjlist> > Saturday, 28 April, 2001 03:09 AM > [gjlist] Divisional Charts > > > > Dear Members, > > > > As with many of the techniques used in jyotish, there seems to be great > > variance of opinions regarding the use of divisional charts. Some adhere > to > > the theory that the divisional charts actually override (supersede) the > > Rashi. This, to my mind, flies in the face of common sense. I think Manoj > > made the point that the divisional charts (as divisions of the Rashi) > cannot > > deliver what is not promised in the Rashi to start with. This I agree with > > but would like to elaborate a bit. > > > > When determining the outcome of dasas, subdasas, etc; the position and > > strength of the (dasa) lords in the vargas will tell how those particular > > areas of life will fare during that time. > > > > For instance, during a Saturn dasa in 6th house, a native experienced > > several marriages and several divorces. In the navamsha Saturn & Venus are > > well placed in 2nd house (giving marriages), but the aspect of 8th lord > Mars > > brought separation and divorce. The Rashi chart of course supports > numerous > > marriages with 12th lord Jupiter conjunct Rahu in 7th house of marriage. > But > > why didn't this manifest during the preceding Jupiter dasa as one might > > suppose. > > > > The navamsha gives the answer of course. In navamsha Rahu and Jupiter form > a > > beneficial yoga in the 5th house...married life fared well during this > time. > > > > I'm not attempting to belittle the importance, or minimise the use of the > > divisional charts but to use them in place of, and in preference to the > > Rashi is ludicrous to my mind. > > > > Regards > > Wendy > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2001 Report Share Posted April 29, 2001 Namaste Alex, Thank you. The Trimsamsa I was looking at has Pisces ascendant with Mercury®, Sun, Moon and Mars posited therein. Venus in Gemini in 4H, Saturn in Virgo in 6H, Rahu & Ketu in Capricorn in 11H and Jupiter® in Aquarius in 12H. Please let me have your views. Regards Anshu - <lostinmotion <gjlist> Saturday, 28 April, 2001 06:37 AM [gjlist] Re: Divisional Charts > Namste, > > The Trimsamsa can be looked at much like in the navamsa for various > matters. The specific indication is "evil effects". > > But the Trimsamsa chart also gives effects to character of person, so > look to position of lagna, moon and sun in signs, as well as > powerfully placed planets there. > > regards, > > Alex J > > gjlist, "Anshu Sood" <anshusood@u...> wrote: > > Dear Wendy, > > > > I am new in the group. > > > > Please let me know about interpretation of the Trimsamsa divisional > chart. > > > > > > Best regards > > > > Anshu > > > > - > > "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@o...> > > "Gjlist (AT) (DOT) Com" <gjlist> > > Saturday, 28 April, 2001 03:09 AM > > [gjlist] Divisional Charts > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > As with many of the techniques used in jyotish, there seems to be > great > > > variance of opinions regarding the use of divisional charts. Some > adhere > > to > > > the theory that the divisional charts actually override > (supersede) the > > > Rashi. This, to my mind, flies in the face of common sense. I > think Manoj > > > made the point that the divisional charts (as divisions of the > Rashi) > > cannot > > > deliver what is not promised in the Rashi to start with. This I > agree with > > > but would like to elaborate a bit. > > > > > > When determining the outcome of dasas, subdasas, etc; the > position and > > > strength of the (dasa) lords in the vargas will tell how those > particular > > > areas of life will fare during that time. > > > > > > For instance, during a Saturn dasa in 6th house, a native > experienced > > > several marriages and several divorces. In the navamsha Saturn & > Venus are > > > well placed in 2nd house (giving marriages), but the aspect of > 8th lord > > Mars > > > brought separation and divorce. The Rashi chart of course supports > > numerous > > > marriages with 12th lord Jupiter conjunct Rahu in 7th house of > marriage. > > But > > > why didn't this manifest during the preceding Jupiter dasa as one > might > > > suppose. > > > > > > The navamsha gives the answer of course. In navamsha Rahu and > Jupiter form > > a > > > beneficial yoga in the 5th house...married life fared well during > this > > time. > > > > > > I'm not attempting to belittle the importance, or minimise the > use of the > > > divisional charts but to use them in place of, and in preference > to the > > > Rashi is ludicrous to my mind. > > > > > > Regards > > > Wendy > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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