Guest guest Posted April 26, 2001 Report Share Posted April 26, 2001 Om Sri Gurubhyo namah, Dear Pursottam, Good work on your investigations of the Vipareet principle of Saturn in the 12th for Taurus rising. I was taught this by Sanjay Rath, who in turn did some research with charts of famous people. Further to this principle, it is said that debilitated planets, especially malefics, in dusthanas, get neechabhanga, and produce instead favorable results during their dasas. this is accentuated in the case of Taurus lagna, and Saturn in Aries in the 12th, for the above reasons. Anyway, regarding Ginger Rogers, this is a poignant example. I have the following data on her from the Rodden Data bank. The rating is "AA", which means it is from a birth certificate: 7/16/1911 02:18 AM Independence, MO As you have pointed out, her career started during the major period of Saturn, from 9/6/1921 to 9/6 1940. She was a dance and film star, who worked with one of the most famous on-screen dancers of the 20th century, viz. Fred Astaire. Of special interest, is that her most famous film, for which she received much acclaim, was a 1935 musical called "Top Hat", in which she starred with Fred Astaire. This occurred in the major period of Saturn, and bhukti period of Rahu, both in the 12th house of her chart. This is indeed confirmation that Vipareet Raja-yoga occurs, when for Taurus lagna, the karaka of 6, 8, and 12 is in 12, in debilitation, not just lords of 6, 8, and 12. Anyway, there are many interesting facts about her life, the details of which can be studied vis a vis 10th lord in the 12th and afflicted by malefics, during a period of great stardom and fame. I don't have the time to go through it all today, but anyway, I will post for everyone's information, a biography on her that you can use to cross-reference to dasa periods, etc.: GINGER ROGERS American dancer and actress, a glamor queen swathed in chic with a firm gaze, strong stride and down-home vowels. Rogers glided across the silver screen with her famous partner dancer, Fred Astaire in ten films. Their most notable film was "Top Hat," a 1935 musical. The dancer prided herself on never taking a formal dance lesson. Rogers struggled to establish her own solo acting abilities and triumphed with her Oscar award for Best Actress in the 1940 drama, "Kitty Foyle." She wrote her autobiography, "Ginger: My Story" in 1991 and accepted a Kennedy Center Honor in December 1992. Her career in the entertainment industry began in vaudeville, reaching to television spanning over 65 years. Virginia Katherine McMath was born in Independence, Missouri where her mother, Lela Rogers was a news reporter. The family moved to Fort Worth, Texas. She made her debut on stage at Central High School in Fort Worth in 1924 in a play written by her mother. As a teenager, she won a Charleston dance contest. She went on to the vaudeville circuit with the name of Ginger Rogers, the surname from her stepfather. Her mother gave up her career as a reporter and scriptwriter to manage her daughter's budding show business career. In 1928, she worked in the act, "Ginger and Pepper" with her first husband Jack Culpepper. In 1929, at 19, she appeared on the Broadway stage in "Top Seed." She was working at Paramount's Long Island studios at the same time. She appeared in a small role in "Young Man of Manhattan." Film audiences were delighted with her one gag line - "Cigarette me, big boy." The line became a part of the American idiom of the day. She won acclaim in George Gershwin's "Girl Crazy" on Broadway and quickly sent to Hollywood in late 1930-31. Rogers worked in song and dance spectaculars, dramas and comedies. She first danced with Fred Astaire in "Girl Crazy" in 1930. At the time, critics felt Rogers self-taught dance style could not equal Astaire's finesse. She was able to silence the opposition and proved she had the necessary dance techniques and expertise to team with Astaire. On screen, the couple had chemistry, off-screen Astaire and Rogers were strictly working partners with different interests. Publicity studio men started rumors about the couple having disagreements off-screen in order to keep their names in the gossip papers. Nothing was further than the truth. Rogers and Astaire always liked and admired each other's talents and respected their work. By 1939, their careers as a dance couple together ran its course and they sought solo projects in the industry. She performed on Broadway shows into her late 70s. Rogers married her second husband, actor Lew Ayres, in 1934. She married her third husband, Marine Private Jack Briggs, nine years her junior, in 1943. In 1953, she married her fourth husband, Parisian attorney-actor and 15 years her junior, Jacques Bergerac. She married her fifth husband actor-director-producer William Marshall in 1961. They formed their own movie production company in Jamaica in 1961. Rogers never had children and never suffered regrets for that decision. A staunch Republican, Rogers fought hard against President Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal policies. She was a devout Christian Scientist who boasted that she never drank or smoked. However she was frequently stopped and fined by Los Angeles police for running red lights and speeding violations. She enjoyed changing her hair color frequently and preferred modern furniture and eye-catching art. Rogers remained slim by avoiding lunch and eating modestly. By 1943, she was one of the ten highest-paid Americans. She invested her six-figure salary in blue chip stocks and land including a 1,100-acre ranch on Oregon's Rogue River. Buying the ranch in 1939, she fished, golfed, played tennis, cooked, painted and managed her investments from her property. She was an active and proud member of the Daughters of the American Revolution. Rogers had an extremely close and loving relationship with her mother, Lela Rogers. She grew angry when the media tried to label her mother a stage mom. The two remained very close and she phoned her mother daily to tell her "I love you." She called her mom the most influential person in her life. She felt her mother embodied dignity and good "horse sense." Asked if aging bothered her Rogers replied, "Age can't take your individuality away from you, and that's what counts." She died at her home in Rancho Mirage, CA on 4/25/1995 at 83 from natural causes. She won a Charleston contest at 14 and worked in clubs and vaudeville for two years, Broadway by the time she was 18 and then, Hollywood. She was cast in a small role with dancer Fred Astair in "Flying Down to Rio" in 1933 that led to a magical screen partnership in ten more wonderful films together. By 1945 her sunny sophistication made her the highest paid performer in Hollywood. She made over 60 other movies to showcase her talent with drama or comedy. In 1940 she won an Oscar for, "Kitty Foyle." Rogers had five childless marriages. Best wishes, Robert ===================================== Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer 760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. Bend, OR. 97701-9037 Phone: 541-318-0248 visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail rk. rk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2001 Report Share Posted April 28, 2001 Namaste Robert and all listmembers, I just wonder, could it be that Saturn's weakness brought prosperity to Ginger Rogers because Saturn was her Ava Yogi? Yogi increases and Ava Yogi decreases native's wealth and prosperity, so it is good when Yogi is strong and Ava Yogi weak. Her Yogi, the 4th lord Sun, was strong since conjunct 5th lord Mercury, and their dispositor, the Moon, was strong since in 10 and aspected by Lagnesh Venus. Looking forward to comments, sending you love, Liliana >"Robert A. Koch" <rkoch >gjlist >gjlist >[gjlist] Ginger Rogers: Vipareet Raja-yoga >Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:17:44 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [64.211.240.235] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBCB1A632006F4004321540D3F0EB208842; Thu Apr 26 10:32:06 2001 >Received: from [10.1.4.55] by ci. with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2001 >17:27:13 -0000 >Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 26 Apr 2001 17:27:12 -0000 >Received: (qmail 33921 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2001 17:27:12 -0000 >Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9. with QMQP; 26 Apr >2001 17:27:12 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO mail.bendnet.com) (206.163.50.5) by mta3 with >SMTP; 26 Apr 2001 17:27:12 -0000 >Received: from d1gaz.robertkoch.com (bend36-87.bendnet.com [206.163.36.87]) >by mail.bendnet.com (8.11.2/8.11.2/BendNet) with ESMTP id f3QHR9746159 for ><gjlist>; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:27:09 -0700 (PDT) >From sentto-490438-4629-988306033-astrolila Thu Apr 26 10:33:20 2001 >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-490438-4629-988306033-astrolila=hotmail.com (AT) returns (DOT) >X-Sender: rk >X-Apparently-gjlist >Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010426100206.00ad8930 >X-Sender: rkoch >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 >In-<PIELKIHIPIEDMGIDLLGHMEJACCAA.pursottam_dabasia > >References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010425101636.00ace6b0 >X-eGroups-"Robert A. Koch" <rk >Mailing-List: list gjlist; contact >gjlist-owner >Delivered-mailing list gjlist >Precedence: bulk >List-Un: <gjlist> > >Om Sri Gurubhyo namah, > >Dear Pursottam, > >Good work on your investigations of the Vipareet principle of Saturn in the >12th for Taurus rising. I was taught this by Sanjay Rath, who in turn did >some research with charts of famous people. Further to this principle, it >is said that debilitated planets, especially malefics, in dusthanas, get >neechabhanga, and produce instead favorable results during their >dasas. this is accentuated in the case of Taurus lagna, and Saturn in >Aries in the 12th, for the above reasons. > >Anyway, regarding Ginger Rogers, this is a poignant example. I have the >following data on her from the Rodden Data bank. The rating is "AA", which >means it is from a birth certificate: > >7/16/1911 >02:18 AM >Independence, MO > >As you have pointed out, her career started during the major period of >Saturn, from 9/6/1921 to 9/6 1940. She was a dance and film star, who >worked with one of the most famous on-screen dancers of the 20th century, >viz. Fred Astaire. Of special interest, is that her most famous film, for >which she received much acclaim, was a 1935 musical called "Top Hat", in >which she starred with Fred Astaire. This occurred in the major period of >Saturn, and bhukti period of Rahu, both in the 12th house of her >chart. This is indeed confirmation that Vipareet Raja-yoga occurs, when >for Taurus lagna, the karaka of 6, 8, and 12 is in 12, in debilitation, not >just lords of 6, 8, and 12. > >Anyway, there are many interesting facts about her life, the details of >which can be studied vis a vis 10th lord in the 12th and afflicted by >malefics, during a period of great stardom and fame. I don't have the time >to go through it all today, but anyway, I will post for everyone's >information, a biography on her that you can use to cross-reference to dasa >periods, etc.: > >GINGER ROGERS > >American dancer and actress, a glamor queen swathed in chic with a firm >gaze, strong stride and down-home vowels. Rogers glided across the silver >screen with her famous partner dancer, Fred Astaire in ten films. Their >most notable film was "Top Hat," a 1935 musical. The dancer prided herself >on never taking a formal dance lesson. Rogers struggled to establish her >own solo acting abilities and triumphed with her Oscar award for Best >Actress in the 1940 drama, "Kitty Foyle." She wrote her autobiography, >"Ginger: My Story" in 1991 and accepted a Kennedy Center Honor in December >1992. Her career in the entertainment industry began in vaudeville, >reaching to television spanning over 65 years. > >Virginia Katherine McMath was born in Independence, Missouri where her >mother, Lela Rogers was a news reporter. The family moved to Fort Worth, >Texas. She made her debut on stage at Central High School in Fort Worth in >1924 in a play written by her mother. As a teenager, she won a Charleston >dance contest. She went on to the vaudeville circuit with the name of >Ginger Rogers, the surname from her stepfather. Her mother gave up her >career as a reporter and scriptwriter to manage her daughter's budding show >business career. > >In 1928, she worked in the act, "Ginger and Pepper" with her first husband >Jack Culpepper. In 1929, at 19, she appeared on the Broadway stage in "Top >Seed." She was working at Paramount's Long Island studios at the same >time. She appeared in a small role in "Young Man of Manhattan." Film >audiences were delighted with her one gag line - "Cigarette me, big >boy." The line became a part of the American idiom of the day. She won >acclaim in George Gershwin's "Girl Crazy" on Broadway and quickly sent to >Hollywood in late 1930-31. Rogers worked in song and dance spectaculars, >dramas and comedies. She first danced with Fred Astaire in "Girl Crazy" in >1930. At the time, critics felt Rogers self-taught dance style could not >equal Astaire's finesse. She was able to silence the opposition and proved >she had the necessary dance techniques and expertise to team with >Astaire. On screen, the couple had chemistry, off-screen Astaire and >Rogers were strictly working partners with different interests. Publicity >studio men started rumors about the couple having disagreements off-screen >in order to keep their names in the gossip papers. Nothing was further >than the truth. Rogers and Astaire always liked and admired each other's >talents and respected their work. By 1939, their careers as a dance couple >together ran its course and they sought solo projects in the industry. She >performed on Broadway shows into her late 70s. > >Rogers married her second husband, actor Lew Ayres, in 1934. She married >her third husband, Marine Private Jack Briggs, nine years her junior, in >1943. In 1953, she married her fourth husband, Parisian attorney-actor and >15 years her junior, Jacques Bergerac. She married her fifth husband >actor-director-producer William Marshall in 1961. They formed their own >movie production company in Jamaica in 1961. Rogers never had children and >never suffered regrets for that decision. >A staunch Republican, Rogers fought hard against President Franklin >Roosevelt's New Deal policies. She was a devout Christian Scientist who >boasted that she never drank or smoked. However she was frequently stopped >and fined by Los Angeles police for running red lights and speeding >violations. She enjoyed changing her hair color frequently and preferred >modern furniture and eye-catching art. Rogers remained slim by avoiding >lunch and eating modestly. By 1943, she was one of the ten highest-paid >Americans. She invested her six-figure salary in blue chip stocks and land >including a 1,100-acre ranch on Oregon's Rogue River. Buying the ranch in >1939, she fished, golfed, played tennis, cooked, painted and managed her >investments from her property. She was an active and proud member of the >Daughters of the American Revolution. >Rogers had an extremely close and loving relationship with her mother, Lela >Rogers. She grew angry when the media tried to label her mother a stage >mom. The two remained very close and she phoned her mother daily to tell >her "I love you." She called her mom the most influential person in her >life. She felt her mother embodied dignity and good "horse sense." > >Asked if aging bothered her Rogers replied, "Age can't take your >individuality away from you, and that's what counts." She died at her home >in Rancho Mirage, CA on 4/25/1995 at 83 from natural causes. > > She won a Charleston contest at 14 and worked in clubs and vaudeville >for >two years, Broadway by the time she was 18 and then, Hollywood. She was >cast in a small role with dancer Fred Astair in "Flying Down to Rio" in >1933 that led to a magical screen partnership in ten more wonderful films >together. By 1945 her sunny sophistication made her the highest paid >performer in Hollywood. She made over 60 other movies to showcase her >talent with drama or comedy. In 1940 she won an Oscar for, "Kitty Foyle." >Rogers had five childless marriages. > > > > >Best wishes, >Robert > >===================================== >Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer >760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. >Bend, OR. 97701-9037 >Phone: 541-318-0248 >visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail >rk. rk > > > > > >gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2001 Report Share Posted April 28, 2001 Hi Anshu, I have a nice little article on yogi and avayogi planets on my website (written by Andrew Lynn) he explains it very nicely and gives the method of calculation. I hope the attachment opens Okay, if not you can see it on my website (articles page). http://welcome.to/Vedic Astrology Best Regards Wendy You wrote: ========== Namaste Liliana and all, I am curious to know more about yogi and avayogi alongwith the references to the source if possible. Regards Anshu - "Liliana Sucur Perisic" <astrolila <gjlist> Saturday, 28 April, 2001 07:02 PM Re: [gjlist] Ginger Rogers: Vipareet Raja-yoga > Namaste Robert and all listmembers, > I just wonder, could it be that Saturn's weakness brought prosperity to > Ginger Rogers because Saturn was her Ava Yogi? Yogi increases and Ava Yogi > decreases native's wealth and prosperity, so it is good when Yogi is strong > and Ava Yogi weak. Her Yogi, the 4th lord Sun, was strong since conjunct 5th > lord Mercury, and their dispositor, the Moon, was strong since in 10 and > aspected by Lagnesh Venus. > Looking forward to comments, > sending you love, > Liliana > > > >"Robert A. Koch" <rkoch > >gjlist > >gjlist > >[gjlist] Ginger Rogers: Vipareet Raja-yoga > >Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:17:44 -0700 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Received: from [64.211.240.235] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > >MHotMailBCB1A632006F4004321540D3F0EB208842; Thu Apr 26 10:32:06 2001 > >Received: from [10.1.4.55] by ci. with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2001 > >17:27:13 -0000 > >Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 26 Apr 2001 17:27:12 -0000 > >Received: (qmail 33921 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2001 17:27:12 -0000 > >Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9. with QMQP; 26 Apr > >2001 17:27:12 -0000 > >Received: from unknown (HELO mail.bendnet.com) (206.163.50.5) by mta3 with > >SMTP; 26 Apr 2001 17:27:12 -0000 > >Received: from d1gaz.robertkoch.com (bend36-87.bendnet.com [206.163.36.87]) > >by mail.bendnet.com (8.11.2/8.11.2/BendNet) with ESMTP id f3QHR9746159 for > ><gjlist>; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:27:09 -0700 (PDT) > >From sentto-490438-4629-988306033-astrolila Thu Apr 26 10:33:20 2001 > >X-eGroups-Return: > >sentto-490438-4629-988306033-astrolila=hotmail.com (AT) returns (DOT) > >X-Sender: rk > >X-Apparently-gjlist > >Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010426100206.00ad8930 > >X-Sender: rkoch > >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 > >In-<PIELKIHIPIEDMGIDLLGHMEJACCAA.pursottam_dabasia > > >References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010425101636.00ace6b0 > >X-eGroups-"Robert A. Koch" <rk > >Mailing-List: list gjlist; contact > >gjlist-owner > >Delivered-mailing list gjlist > >Precedence: bulk > >List-Un: <gjlist> > > > >Om Sri Gurubhyo namah, > > > >Dear Pursottam, > > > >Good work on your investigations of the Vipareet principle of Saturn in the > >12th for Taurus rising. I was taught this by Sanjay Rath, who in turn did > >some research with charts of famous people. Further to this principle, it > >is said that debilitated planets, especially malefics, in dusthanas, get > >neechabhanga, and produce instead favorable results during their > >dasas. this is accentuated in the case of Taurus lagna, and Saturn in > >Aries in the 12th, for the above reasons. > > > >Anyway, regarding Ginger Rogers, this is a poignant example. I have the > >following data on her from the Rodden Data bank. The rating is "AA", which > >means it is from a birth certificate: > > > >7/16/1911 > >02:18 AM > >Independence, MO > > > >As you have pointed out, her career started during the major period of > >Saturn, from 9/6/1921 to 9/6 1940. She was a dance and film star, who > >worked with one of the most famous on-screen dancers of the 20th century, > >viz. Fred Astaire. Of special interest, is that her most famous film, for > >which she received much acclaim, was a 1935 musical called "Top Hat", in > >which she starred with Fred Astaire. This occurred in the major period of > >Saturn, and bhukti period of Rahu, both in the 12th house of her > >chart. This is indeed confirmation that Vipareet Raja-yoga occurs, when > >for Taurus lagna, the karaka of 6, 8, and 12 is in 12, in debilitation, not > >just lords of 6, 8, and 12. > > > >Anyway, there are many interesting facts about her life, the details of > >which can be studied vis a vis 10th lord in the 12th and afflicted by > >malefics, during a period of great stardom and fame. I don't have the time > >to go through it all today, but anyway, I will post for everyone's > >information, a biography on her that you can use to cross-reference to dasa > >periods, etc.: > > > >GINGER ROGERS > > > >American dancer and actress, a glamor queen swathed in chic with a firm > >gaze, strong stride and down-home vowels. Rogers glided across the silver > >screen with her famous partner dancer, Fred Astaire in ten films. Their > >most notable film was "Top Hat," a 1935 musical. The dancer prided herself > >on never taking a formal dance lesson. Rogers struggled to establish her > >own solo acting abilities and triumphed with her Oscar award for Best > >Actress in the 1940 drama, "Kitty Foyle." She wrote her autobiography, > >"Ginger: My Story" in 1991 and accepted a Kennedy Center Honor in December > >1992. Her career in the entertainment industry began in vaudeville, > >reaching to television spanning over 65 years. > > > >Virginia Katherine McMath was born in Independence, Missouri where her > >mother, Lela Rogers was a news reporter. The family moved to Fort Worth, > >Texas. She made her debut on stage at Central High School in Fort Worth in > >1924 in a play written by her mother. As a teenager, she won a Charleston > >dance contest. She went on to the vaudeville circuit with the name of > >Ginger Rogers, the surname from her stepfather. Her mother gave up her > >career as a reporter and scriptwriter to manage her daughter's budding show > >business career. > > > >In 1928, she worked in the act, "Ginger and Pepper" with her first husband > >Jack Culpepper. In 1929, at 19, she appeared on the Broadway stage in "Top > >Seed." She was working at Paramount's Long Island studios at the same > >time. She appeared in a small role in "Young Man of Manhattan." Film > >audiences were delighted with her one gag line - "Cigarette me, big > >boy." The line became a part of the American idiom of the day. She won > >acclaim in George Gershwin's "Girl Crazy" on Broadway and quickly sent to > >Hollywood in late 1930-31. Rogers worked in song and dance spectaculars, > >dramas and comedies. She first danced with Fred Astaire in "Girl Crazy" in > >1930. At the time, critics felt Rogers self-taught dance style could not > >equal Astaire's finesse. She was able to silence the opposition and proved > >she had the necessary dance techniques and expertise to team with > >Astaire. On screen, the couple had chemistry, off-screen Astaire and > >Rogers were strictly working partners with different interests. Publicity > >studio men started rumors about the couple having disagreements off-screen > >in order to keep their names in the gossip papers. Nothing was further > >than the truth. Rogers and Astaire always liked and admired each other's > >talents and respected their work. By 1939, their careers as a dance couple > >together ran its course and they sought solo projects in the industry. She > >performed on Broadway shows into her late 70s. > > > >Rogers married her second husband, actor Lew Ayres, in 1934. She married > >her third husband, Marine Private Jack Briggs, nine years her junior, in > >1943. In 1953, she married her fourth husband, Parisian attorney-actor and > >15 years her junior, Jacques Bergerac. She married her fifth husband > >actor-director-producer William Marshall in 1961. They formed their own > >movie production company in Jamaica in 1961. Rogers never had children and > >never suffered regrets for that decision. > >A staunch Republican, Rogers fought hard against President Franklin > >Roosevelt's New Deal policies. She was a devout Christian Scientist who > >boasted that she never drank or smoked. However she was frequently stopped > >and fined by Los Angeles police for running red lights and speeding > >violations. She enjoyed changing her hair color frequently and preferred > >modern furniture and eye-catching art. Rogers remained slim by avoiding > >lunch and eating modestly. By 1943, she was one of the ten highest-paid > >Americans. She invested her six-figure salary in blue chip stocks and land > >including a 1,100-acre ranch on Oregon's Rogue River. Buying the ranch in > >1939, she fished, golfed, played tennis, cooked, painted and managed her > >investments from her property. She was an active and proud member of the > >Daughters of the American Revolution. > >Rogers had an extremely close and loving relationship with her mother, Lela > >Rogers. She grew angry when the media tried to label her mother a stage > >mom. The two remained very close and she phoned her mother daily to tell > >her "I love you." She called her mom the most influential person in her > >life. She felt her mother embodied dignity and good "horse sense." > > > >Asked if aging bothered her Rogers replied, "Age can't take your > >individuality away from you, and that's what counts." She died at her home > >in Rancho Mirage, CA on 4/25/1995 at 83 from natural causes. > > > > She won a Charleston contest at 14 and worked in clubs and vaudeville > >for > >two years, Broadway by the time she was 18 and then, Hollywood. She was > >cast in a small role with dancer Fred Astair in "Flying Down to Rio" in > >1933 that led to a magical screen partnership in ten more wonderful films > >together. By 1945 her sunny sophistication made her the highest paid > >performer in Hollywood. She made over 60 other movies to showcase her > >talent with drama or comedy. In 1940 she won an Oscar for, "Kitty Foyle." > >Rogers had five childless marriages. > > > > > > > > > >Best wishes, > >Robert > > > >===================================== > >Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer > >760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. > >Bend, OR. 97701-9037 > >Phone: 541-318-0248 > >visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail > >rk. rk > > > > > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > _______________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > gjlist- Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted April 29, 2001 Report Share Posted April 29, 2001 Namaste Liliana and all, I am curious to know more about yogi and avayogi alongwith the references to the source if possible. Regards Anshu - "Liliana Sucur Perisic" <astrolila <gjlist> Saturday, 28 April, 2001 07:02 PM Re: [gjlist] Ginger Rogers: Vipareet Raja-yoga > Namaste Robert and all listmembers, > I just wonder, could it be that Saturn's weakness brought prosperity to > Ginger Rogers because Saturn was her Ava Yogi? Yogi increases and Ava Yogi > decreases native's wealth and prosperity, so it is good when Yogi is strong > and Ava Yogi weak. Her Yogi, the 4th lord Sun, was strong since conjunct 5th > lord Mercury, and their dispositor, the Moon, was strong since in 10 and > aspected by Lagnesh Venus. > Looking forward to comments, > sending you love, > Liliana > > > >"Robert A. Koch" <rkoch > >gjlist > >gjlist > >[gjlist] Ginger Rogers: Vipareet Raja-yoga > >Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:17:44 -0700 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Received: from [64.211.240.235] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > >MHotMailBCB1A632006F4004321540D3F0EB208842; Thu Apr 26 10:32:06 2001 > >Received: from [10.1.4.55] by ci. with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2001 > >17:27:13 -0000 > >Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 26 Apr 2001 17:27:12 -0000 > >Received: (qmail 33921 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2001 17:27:12 -0000 > >Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9. with QMQP; 26 Apr > >2001 17:27:12 -0000 > >Received: from unknown (HELO mail.bendnet.com) (206.163.50.5) by mta3 with > >SMTP; 26 Apr 2001 17:27:12 -0000 > >Received: from d1gaz.robertkoch.com (bend36-87.bendnet.com [206.163.36.87]) > >by mail.bendnet.com (8.11.2/8.11.2/BendNet) with ESMTP id f3QHR9746159 for > ><gjlist>; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:27:09 -0700 (PDT) > >From sentto-490438-4629-988306033-astrolila Thu Apr 26 10:33:20 2001 > >X-eGroups-Return: > >sentto-490438-4629-988306033-astrolila=hotmail.com (AT) returns (DOT) > >X-Sender: rk > >X-Apparently-gjlist > >Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010426100206.00ad8930 > >X-Sender: rkoch > >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 > >In-<PIELKIHIPIEDMGIDLLGHMEJACCAA.pursottam_dabasia > > >References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010425101636.00ace6b0 > >X-eGroups-"Robert A. Koch" <rk > >Mailing-List: list gjlist; contact > >gjlist-owner > >Delivered-mailing list gjlist > >Precedence: bulk > >List-Un: <gjlist> > > > >Om Sri Gurubhyo namah, > > > >Dear Pursottam, > > > >Good work on your investigations of the Vipareet principle of Saturn in the > >12th for Taurus rising. I was taught this by Sanjay Rath, who in turn did > >some research with charts of famous people. Further to this principle, it > >is said that debilitated planets, especially malefics, in dusthanas, get > >neechabhanga, and produce instead favorable results during their > >dasas. this is accentuated in the case of Taurus lagna, and Saturn in > >Aries in the 12th, for the above reasons. > > > >Anyway, regarding Ginger Rogers, this is a poignant example. I have the > >following data on her from the Rodden Data bank. The rating is "AA", which > >means it is from a birth certificate: > > > >7/16/1911 > >02:18 AM > >Independence, MO > > > >As you have pointed out, her career started during the major period of > >Saturn, from 9/6/1921 to 9/6 1940. She was a dance and film star, who > >worked with one of the most famous on-screen dancers of the 20th century, > >viz. Fred Astaire. Of special interest, is that her most famous film, for > >which she received much acclaim, was a 1935 musical called "Top Hat", in > >which she starred with Fred Astaire. This occurred in the major period of > >Saturn, and bhukti period of Rahu, both in the 12th house of her > >chart. This is indeed confirmation that Vipareet Raja-yoga occurs, when > >for Taurus lagna, the karaka of 6, 8, and 12 is in 12, in debilitation, not > >just lords of 6, 8, and 12. > > > >Anyway, there are many interesting facts about her life, the details of > >which can be studied vis a vis 10th lord in the 12th and afflicted by > >malefics, during a period of great stardom and fame. I don't have the time > >to go through it all today, but anyway, I will post for everyone's > >information, a biography on her that you can use to cross-reference to dasa > >periods, etc.: > > > >GINGER ROGERS > > > >American dancer and actress, a glamor queen swathed in chic with a firm > >gaze, strong stride and down-home vowels. Rogers glided across the silver > >screen with her famous partner dancer, Fred Astaire in ten films. Their > >most notable film was "Top Hat," a 1935 musical. The dancer prided herself > >on never taking a formal dance lesson. Rogers struggled to establish her > >own solo acting abilities and triumphed with her Oscar award for Best > >Actress in the 1940 drama, "Kitty Foyle." She wrote her autobiography, > >"Ginger: My Story" in 1991 and accepted a Kennedy Center Honor in December > >1992. Her career in the entertainment industry began in vaudeville, > >reaching to television spanning over 65 years. > > > >Virginia Katherine McMath was born in Independence, Missouri where her > >mother, Lela Rogers was a news reporter. The family moved to Fort Worth, > >Texas. She made her debut on stage at Central High School in Fort Worth in > >1924 in a play written by her mother. As a teenager, she won a Charleston > >dance contest. She went on to the vaudeville circuit with the name of > >Ginger Rogers, the surname from her stepfather. Her mother gave up her > >career as a reporter and scriptwriter to manage her daughter's budding show > >business career. > > > >In 1928, she worked in the act, "Ginger and Pepper" with her first husband > >Jack Culpepper. In 1929, at 19, she appeared on the Broadway stage in "Top > >Seed." She was working at Paramount's Long Island studios at the same > >time. She appeared in a small role in "Young Man of Manhattan." Film > >audiences were delighted with her one gag line - "Cigarette me, big > >boy." The line became a part of the American idiom of the day. She won > >acclaim in George Gershwin's "Girl Crazy" on Broadway and quickly sent to > >Hollywood in late 1930-31. Rogers worked in song and dance spectaculars, > >dramas and comedies. She first danced with Fred Astaire in "Girl Crazy" in > >1930. At the time, critics felt Rogers self-taught dance style could not > >equal Astaire's finesse. She was able to silence the opposition and proved > >she had the necessary dance techniques and expertise to team with > >Astaire. On screen, the couple had chemistry, off-screen Astaire and > >Rogers were strictly working partners with different interests. Publicity > >studio men started rumors about the couple having disagreements off-screen > >in order to keep their names in the gossip papers. Nothing was further > >than the truth. Rogers and Astaire always liked and admired each other's > >talents and respected their work. By 1939, their careers as a dance couple > >together ran its course and they sought solo projects in the industry. She > >performed on Broadway shows into her late 70s. > > > >Rogers married her second husband, actor Lew Ayres, in 1934. She married > >her third husband, Marine Private Jack Briggs, nine years her junior, in > >1943. In 1953, she married her fourth husband, Parisian attorney-actor and > >15 years her junior, Jacques Bergerac. She married her fifth husband > >actor-director-producer William Marshall in 1961. They formed their own > >movie production company in Jamaica in 1961. Rogers never had children and > >never suffered regrets for that decision. > >A staunch Republican, Rogers fought hard against President Franklin > >Roosevelt's New Deal policies. She was a devout Christian Scientist who > >boasted that she never drank or smoked. However she was frequently stopped > >and fined by Los Angeles police for running red lights and speeding > >violations. She enjoyed changing her hair color frequently and preferred > >modern furniture and eye-catching art. Rogers remained slim by avoiding > >lunch and eating modestly. By 1943, she was one of the ten highest-paid > >Americans. She invested her six-figure salary in blue chip stocks and land > >including a 1,100-acre ranch on Oregon's Rogue River. Buying the ranch in > >1939, she fished, golfed, played tennis, cooked, painted and managed her > >investments from her property. She was an active and proud member of the > >Daughters of the American Revolution. > >Rogers had an extremely close and loving relationship with her mother, Lela > >Rogers. She grew angry when the media tried to label her mother a stage > >mom. The two remained very close and she phoned her mother daily to tell > >her "I love you." She called her mom the most influential person in her > >life. She felt her mother embodied dignity and good "horse sense." > > > >Asked if aging bothered her Rogers replied, "Age can't take your > >individuality away from you, and that's what counts." She died at her home > >in Rancho Mirage, CA on 4/25/1995 at 83 from natural causes. > > > > She won a Charleston contest at 14 and worked in clubs and vaudeville > >for > >two years, Broadway by the time she was 18 and then, Hollywood. She was > >cast in a small role with dancer Fred Astair in "Flying Down to Rio" in > >1933 that led to a magical screen partnership in ten more wonderful films > >together. By 1945 her sunny sophistication made her the highest paid > >performer in Hollywood. She made over 60 other movies to showcase her > >talent with drama or comedy. In 1940 she won an Oscar for, "Kitty Foyle." > >Rogers had five childless marriages. > > > > > > > > > >Best wishes, > >Robert > > > >===================================== > >Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer > >760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. > >Bend, OR. 97701-9037 > >Phone: 541-318-0248 > >visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail > >rk. rk > > > > > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > _______________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2001 Report Share Posted April 29, 2001 Hi Wendy, There was no attachment with your mail. On clicking the link provided by you, I am redirected to the following page : http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/richmond/21/index.htm Cannot locate an articles page, so I wonder if I am at the right place. Best Regards Anshu - "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas <gjlist> Saturday, 28 April, 2001 08:45 PM RE: [gjlist] Ginger Rogers: Vipareet Raja-yoga > Hi Anshu, > > I have a nice little article on yogi and avayogi planets on my website > (written by Andrew Lynn) he explains it very nicely and gives the method of > calculation. I hope the attachment opens Okay, if not you can see it on my > website (articles page). > http://welcome.to/Vedic Astrology > > Best Regards > Wendy > > You wrote: > ========== > Namaste Liliana and all, > > I am curious to know more about yogi and avayogi alongwith the references to > the source if possible. > > Regards > > Anshu > > - > "Liliana Sucur Perisic" <astrolila > <gjlist> > Saturday, 28 April, 2001 07:02 PM > Re: [gjlist] Ginger Rogers: Vipareet Raja-yoga > > > > Namaste Robert and all listmembers, > > I just wonder, could it be that Saturn's weakness brought prosperity to > > Ginger Rogers because Saturn was her Ava Yogi? Yogi increases and Ava Yogi > > decreases native's wealth and prosperity, so it is good when Yogi is > strong > > and Ava Yogi weak. Her Yogi, the 4th lord Sun, was strong since conjunct > 5th > > lord Mercury, and their dispositor, the Moon, was strong since in 10 and > > aspected by Lagnesh Venus. > > Looking forward to comments, > > sending you love, > > Liliana > > > > > > >"Robert A. Koch" <rkoch > > >gjlist > > >gjlist > > >[gjlist] Ginger Rogers: Vipareet Raja-yoga > > >Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:17:44 -0700 > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > >Received: from [64.211.240.235] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > > >MHotMailBCB1A632006F4004321540D3F0EB208842; Thu Apr 26 10:32:06 2001 > > >Received: from [10.1.4.55] by ci. with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2001 > > >17:27:13 -0000 > > >Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 26 Apr 2001 17:27:12 -0000 > > >Received: (qmail 33921 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2001 17:27:12 -0000 > > >Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9. with QMQP; 26 Apr > > >2001 17:27:12 -0000 > > >Received: from unknown (HELO mail.bendnet.com) (206.163.50.5) by mta3 > with > > >SMTP; 26 Apr 2001 17:27:12 -0000 > > >Received: from d1gaz.robertkoch.com (bend36-87.bendnet.com > [206.163.36.87]) > > >by mail.bendnet.com (8.11.2/8.11.2/BendNet) with ESMTP id f3QHR9746159 > for > > ><gjlist>; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:27:09 -0700 (PDT) > > >From sentto-490438-4629-988306033-astrolila Thu Apr 26 10:33:20 2001 > > >X-eGroups-Return: > > >sentto-490438-4629-988306033-astrolila=hotmail.com (AT) returns (DOT) > > >X-Sender: rk > > >X-Apparently-gjlist > > >Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010426100206.00ad8930 > > >X-Sender: rkoch > > >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 > > >In- <PIELKIHIPIEDMGIDLLGHMEJACCAA.pursottam_dabasia > > > > >References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010425101636.00ace6b0 > > >X-eGroups-"Robert A. Koch" <rk > > >Mailing-List: list gjlist; contact > > >gjlist-owner > > >Delivered-mailing list gjlist > > >Precedence: bulk > > >List-Un: <gjlist> > > > > > >Om Sri Gurubhyo namah, > > > > > >Dear Pursottam, > > > > > >Good work on your investigations of the Vipareet principle of Saturn in > the > > >12th for Taurus rising. I was taught this by Sanjay Rath, who in turn > did > > >some research with charts of famous people. Further to this principle, > it > > >is said that debilitated planets, especially malefics, in dusthanas, get > > >neechabhanga, and produce instead favorable results during their > > >dasas. this is accentuated in the case of Taurus lagna, and Saturn in > > >Aries in the 12th, for the above reasons. > > > > > >Anyway, regarding Ginger Rogers, this is a poignant example. I have the > > >following data on her from the Rodden Data bank. The rating is "AA", > which > > >means it is from a birth certificate: > > > > > >7/16/1911 > > >02:18 AM > > >Independence, MO > > > > > >As you have pointed out, her career started during the major period of > > >Saturn, from 9/6/1921 to 9/6 1940. She was a dance and film star, who > > >worked with one of the most famous on-screen dancers of the 20th century, > > >viz. Fred Astaire. Of special interest, is that her most famous film, > for > > >which she received much acclaim, was a 1935 musical called "Top Hat", in > > >which she starred with Fred Astaire. This occurred in the major period > of > > >Saturn, and bhukti period of Rahu, both in the 12th house of her > > >chart. This is indeed confirmation that Vipareet Raja-yoga occurs, when > > >for Taurus lagna, the karaka of 6, 8, and 12 is in 12, in debilitation, > not > > >just lords of 6, 8, and 12. > > > > > >Anyway, there are many interesting facts about her life, the details of > > >which can be studied vis a vis 10th lord in the 12th and afflicted by > > >malefics, during a period of great stardom and fame. I don't have the > time > > >to go through it all today, but anyway, I will post for everyone's > > >information, a biography on her that you can use to cross-reference to > dasa > > >periods, etc.: > > > > > >GINGER ROGERS > > > > > >American dancer and actress, a glamor queen swathed in chic with a firm > > >gaze, strong stride and down-home vowels. Rogers glided across the > silver > > >screen with her famous partner dancer, Fred Astaire in ten films. Their > > >most notable film was "Top Hat," a 1935 musical. The dancer prided > herself > > >on never taking a formal dance lesson. Rogers struggled to establish her > > >own solo acting abilities and triumphed with her Oscar award for Best > > >Actress in the 1940 drama, "Kitty Foyle." She wrote her autobiography, > > >"Ginger: My Story" in 1991 and accepted a Kennedy Center Honor in > December > > >1992. Her career in the entertainment industry began in vaudeville, > > >reaching to television spanning over 65 years. > > > > > >Virginia Katherine McMath was born in Independence, Missouri where her > > >mother, Lela Rogers was a news reporter. The family moved to Fort Worth, > > >Texas. She made her debut on stage at Central High School in Fort Worth > in > > >1924 in a play written by her mother. As a teenager, she won a > Charleston > > >dance contest. She went on to the vaudeville circuit with the name of > > >Ginger Rogers, the surname from her stepfather. Her mother gave up her > > >career as a reporter and scriptwriter to manage her daughter's budding > show > > >business career. > > > > > >In 1928, she worked in the act, "Ginger and Pepper" with her first > husband > > >Jack Culpepper. In 1929, at 19, she appeared on the Broadway stage in > "Top > > >Seed." She was working at Paramount's Long Island studios at the same > > >time. She appeared in a small role in "Young Man of Manhattan." Film > > >audiences were delighted with her one gag line - "Cigarette me, big > > >boy." The line became a part of the American idiom of the day. She won > > >acclaim in George Gershwin's "Girl Crazy" on Broadway and quickly sent to > > >Hollywood in late 1930-31. Rogers worked in song and dance spectaculars, > > >dramas and comedies. She first danced with Fred Astaire in "Girl Crazy" > in > > >1930. At the time, critics felt Rogers self-taught dance style could not > > >equal Astaire's finesse. She was able to silence the opposition and > proved > > >she had the necessary dance techniques and expertise to team with > > >Astaire. On screen, the couple had chemistry, off-screen Astaire and > > >Rogers were strictly working partners with different interests. > Publicity > > >studio men started rumors about the couple having disagreements > off-screen > > >in order to keep their names in the gossip papers. Nothing was further > > >than the truth. Rogers and Astaire always liked and admired each other's > > >talents and respected their work. By 1939, their careers as a dance > couple > > >together ran its course and they sought solo projects in the industry. > She > > >performed on Broadway shows into her late 70s. > > > > > >Rogers married her second husband, actor Lew Ayres, in 1934. She married > > >her third husband, Marine Private Jack Briggs, nine years her junior, in > > >1943. In 1953, she married her fourth husband, Parisian attorney-actor > and > > >15 years her junior, Jacques Bergerac. She married her fifth husband > > >actor-director-producer William Marshall in 1961. They formed their own > > >movie production company in Jamaica in 1961. Rogers never had children > and > > >never suffered regrets for that decision. > > >A staunch Republican, Rogers fought hard against President Franklin > > >Roosevelt's New Deal policies. She was a devout Christian Scientist who > > >boasted that she never drank or smoked. However she was frequently > stopped > > >and fined by Los Angeles police for running red lights and speeding > > >violations. She enjoyed changing her hair color frequently and preferred > > >modern furniture and eye-catching art. Rogers remained slim by avoiding > > >lunch and eating modestly. By 1943, she was one of the ten highest-paid > > >Americans. She invested her six-figure salary in blue chip stocks and > land > > >including a 1,100-acre ranch on Oregon's Rogue River. Buying the ranch > in > > >1939, she fished, golfed, played tennis, cooked, painted and managed her > > >investments from her property. She was an active and proud member of the > > >Daughters of the American Revolution. > > >Rogers had an extremely close and loving relationship with her mother, > Lela > > >Rogers. She grew angry when the media tried to label her mother a stage > > >mom. The two remained very close and she phoned her mother daily to tell > > >her "I love you." She called her mom the most influential person in her > > >life. She felt her mother embodied dignity and good "horse sense." > > > > > >Asked if aging bothered her Rogers replied, "Age can't take your > > >individuality away from you, and that's what counts." She died at her > home > > >in Rancho Mirage, CA on 4/25/1995 at 83 from natural causes. > > > > > > She won a Charleston contest at 14 and worked in clubs and vaudeville > > >for > > >two years, Broadway by the time she was 18 and then, Hollywood. She was > > >cast in a small role with dancer Fred Astair in "Flying Down to Rio" in > > >1933 that led to a magical screen partnership in ten more wonderful films > > >together. By 1945 her sunny sophistication made her the highest paid > > >performer in Hollywood. She made over 60 other movies to showcase her > > >talent with drama or comedy. In 1940 she won an Oscar for, "Kitty > Foyle." > > >Rogers had five childless marriages. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Best wishes, > > >Robert > > > > > >===================================== > > >Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer > > >760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. > > >Bend, OR. 97701-9037 > > >Phone: 541-318-0248 > > >visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail > > >rk. rk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > _______________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2001 Report Share Posted April 29, 2001 Hello Anshu, Are you Anshumali Sood ? Just a thought crossed my mind. Manoj >"Anshu Sood" <anshusood >gjlist ><gjlist> >Re: [gjlist] Ginger Rogers: Vipareet Raja-yoga >Sun, 29 Apr 2001 08:28:37 -0700 > >Namaste Liliana and all, > >I am curious to know more about yogi and avayogi alongwith the references >to >the source if possible. > >Regards > >Anshu > >- >"Liliana Sucur Perisic" <astrolila ><gjlist> >Saturday, 28 April, 2001 07:02 PM >Re: [gjlist] Ginger Rogers: Vipareet Raja-yoga > > > > Namaste Robert and all listmembers, > > I just wonder, could it be that Saturn's weakness brought prosperity to > > Ginger Rogers because Saturn was her Ava Yogi? Yogi increases and Ava >Yogi > > decreases native's wealth and prosperity, so it is good when Yogi is >strong > > and Ava Yogi weak. Her Yogi, the 4th lord Sun, was strong since conjunct >5th > > lord Mercury, and their dispositor, the Moon, was strong since in 10 and > > aspected by Lagnesh Venus. > > Looking forward to comments, > > sending you love, > > Liliana > > > > > > >"Robert A. Koch" <rkoch > > >gjlist > > >gjlist > > >[gjlist] Ginger Rogers: Vipareet Raja-yoga > > >Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:17:44 -0700 > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > >Received: from [64.211.240.235] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > > >MHotMailBCB1A632006F4004321540D3F0EB208842; Thu Apr 26 10:32:06 2001 > > >Received: from [10.1.4.55] by ci. with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2001 > > >17:27:13 -0000 > > >Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 26 Apr 2001 17:27:12 -0000 > > >Received: (qmail 33921 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2001 17:27:12 >-0000 > > >Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9. with QMQP; 26 >Apr > > >2001 17:27:12 -0000 > > >Received: from unknown (HELO mail.bendnet.com) (206.163.50.5) by mta3 >with > > >SMTP; 26 Apr 2001 17:27:12 -0000 > > >Received: from d1gaz.robertkoch.com (bend36-87.bendnet.com >[206.163.36.87]) > > >by mail.bendnet.com (8.11.2/8.11.2/BendNet) with ESMTP id f3QHR9746159 >for > > ><gjlist>; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:27:09 -0700 (PDT) > > >From sentto-490438-4629-988306033-astrolila Thu Apr 26 10:33:20 2001 > > >X-eGroups-Return: > > >sentto-490438-4629-988306033-astrolila=hotmail.com (AT) returns (DOT) > > >X-Sender: rk > > >X-Apparently-gjlist > > >Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010426100206.00ad8930 > > >X-Sender: rkoch > > >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 > > >In- ><PIELKIHIPIEDMGIDLLGHMEJACCAA.pursottam_dabasia > > > > >References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010425101636.00ace6b0 > > >X-eGroups-"Robert A. Koch" <rk > > >Mailing-List: list gjlist; contact > > >gjlist-owner > > >Delivered-mailing list gjlist > > >Precedence: bulk > > >List-Un: <gjlist> > > > > > >Om Sri Gurubhyo namah, > > > > > >Dear Pursottam, > > > > > >Good work on your investigations of the Vipareet principle of Saturn in >the > > >12th for Taurus rising. I was taught this by Sanjay Rath, who in turn >did > > >some research with charts of famous people. Further to this principle, >it > > >is said that debilitated planets, especially malefics, in dusthanas, >get > > >neechabhanga, and produce instead favorable results during their > > >dasas. this is accentuated in the case of Taurus lagna, and Saturn in > > >Aries in the 12th, for the above reasons. > > > > > >Anyway, regarding Ginger Rogers, this is a poignant example. I have >the > > >following data on her from the Rodden Data bank. The rating is "AA", >which > > >means it is from a birth certificate: > > > > > >7/16/1911 > > >02:18 AM > > >Independence, MO > > > > > >As you have pointed out, her career started during the major period of > > >Saturn, from 9/6/1921 to 9/6 1940. She was a dance and film star, who > > >worked with one of the most famous on-screen dancers of the 20th >century, > > >viz. Fred Astaire. Of special interest, is that her most famous film, >for > > >which she received much acclaim, was a 1935 musical called "Top Hat", >in > > >which she starred with Fred Astaire. This occurred in the major period >of > > >Saturn, and bhukti period of Rahu, both in the 12th house of her > > >chart. This is indeed confirmation that Vipareet Raja-yoga occurs, >when > > >for Taurus lagna, the karaka of 6, 8, and 12 is in 12, in debilitation, >not > > >just lords of 6, 8, and 12. > > > > > >Anyway, there are many interesting facts about her life, the details of > > >which can be studied vis a vis 10th lord in the 12th and afflicted by > > >malefics, during a period of great stardom and fame. I don't have the >time > > >to go through it all today, but anyway, I will post for everyone's > > >information, a biography on her that you can use to cross-reference to >dasa > > >periods, etc.: > > > > > >GINGER ROGERS > > > > > >American dancer and actress, a glamor queen swathed in chic with a firm > > >gaze, strong stride and down-home vowels. Rogers glided across the >silver > > >screen with her famous partner dancer, Fred Astaire in ten films. >Their > > >most notable film was "Top Hat," a 1935 musical. The dancer prided >herself > > >on never taking a formal dance lesson. Rogers struggled to establish >her > > >own solo acting abilities and triumphed with her Oscar award for Best > > >Actress in the 1940 drama, "Kitty Foyle." She wrote her autobiography, > > >"Ginger: My Story" in 1991 and accepted a Kennedy Center Honor in >December > > >1992. Her career in the entertainment industry began in vaudeville, > > >reaching to television spanning over 65 years. > > > > > >Virginia Katherine McMath was born in Independence, Missouri where her > > >mother, Lela Rogers was a news reporter. The family moved to Fort >Worth, > > >Texas. She made her debut on stage at Central High School in Fort >Worth >in > > >1924 in a play written by her mother. As a teenager, she won a >Charleston > > >dance contest. She went on to the vaudeville circuit with the name of > > >Ginger Rogers, the surname from her stepfather. Her mother gave up her > > >career as a reporter and scriptwriter to manage her daughter's budding >show > > >business career. > > > > > >In 1928, she worked in the act, "Ginger and Pepper" with her first >husband > > >Jack Culpepper. In 1929, at 19, she appeared on the Broadway stage in >"Top > > >Seed." She was working at Paramount's Long Island studios at the same > > >time. She appeared in a small role in "Young Man of Manhattan." Film > > >audiences were delighted with her one gag line - "Cigarette me, big > > >boy." The line became a part of the American idiom of the day. She >won > > >acclaim in George Gershwin's "Girl Crazy" on Broadway and quickly sent >to > > >Hollywood in late 1930-31. Rogers worked in song and dance >spectaculars, > > >dramas and comedies. She first danced with Fred Astaire in "Girl >Crazy" >in > > >1930. At the time, critics felt Rogers self-taught dance style could >not > > >equal Astaire's finesse. She was able to silence the opposition and >proved > > >she had the necessary dance techniques and expertise to team with > > >Astaire. On screen, the couple had chemistry, off-screen Astaire and > > >Rogers were strictly working partners with different interests. >Publicity > > >studio men started rumors about the couple having disagreements >off-screen > > >in order to keep their names in the gossip papers. Nothing was further > > >than the truth. Rogers and Astaire always liked and admired each >other's > > >talents and respected their work. By 1939, their careers as a dance >couple > > >together ran its course and they sought solo projects in the industry. >She > > >performed on Broadway shows into her late 70s. > > > > > >Rogers married her second husband, actor Lew Ayres, in 1934. She >married > > >her third husband, Marine Private Jack Briggs, nine years her junior, >in > > >1943. In 1953, she married her fourth husband, Parisian attorney-actor >and > > >15 years her junior, Jacques Bergerac. She married her fifth husband > > >actor-director-producer William Marshall in 1961. They formed their >own > > >movie production company in Jamaica in 1961. Rogers never had children >and > > >never suffered regrets for that decision. > > >A staunch Republican, Rogers fought hard against President Franklin > > >Roosevelt's New Deal policies. She was a devout Christian Scientist >who > > >boasted that she never drank or smoked. However she was frequently >stopped > > >and fined by Los Angeles police for running red lights and speeding > > >violations. She enjoyed changing her hair color frequently and >preferred > > >modern furniture and eye-catching art. Rogers remained slim by >avoiding > > >lunch and eating modestly. By 1943, she was one of the ten highest-paid > > >Americans. She invested her six-figure salary in blue chip stocks and >land > > >including a 1,100-acre ranch on Oregon's Rogue River. Buying the ranch >in > > >1939, she fished, golfed, played tennis, cooked, painted and managed >her > > >investments from her property. She was an active and proud member of >the > > >Daughters of the American Revolution. > > >Rogers had an extremely close and loving relationship with her mother, >Lela > > >Rogers. She grew angry when the media tried to label her mother a >stage > > >mom. The two remained very close and she phoned her mother daily to >tell > > >her "I love you." She called her mom the most influential person in >her > > >life. She felt her mother embodied dignity and good "horse sense." > > > > > >Asked if aging bothered her Rogers replied, "Age can't take your > > >individuality away from you, and that's what counts." She died at her >home > > >in Rancho Mirage, CA on 4/25/1995 at 83 from natural causes. > > > > > > She won a Charleston contest at 14 and worked in clubs and >vaudeville > > >for > > >two years, Broadway by the time she was 18 and then, Hollywood. She was > > >cast in a small role with dancer Fred Astair in "Flying Down to Rio" in > > >1933 that led to a magical screen partnership in ten more wonderful >films > > >together. By 1945 her sunny sophistication made her the highest paid > > >performer in Hollywood. She made over 60 other movies to showcase her > > >talent with drama or comedy. In 1940 she won an Oscar for, "Kitty >Foyle." > > >Rogers had five childless marriages. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Best wishes, > > >Robert > > > > > >===================================== > > >Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer > > >760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. > > >Bend, OR. 97701-9037 > > >Phone: 541-318-0248 > > >visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail > > >rk. rk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2001 Report Share Posted April 30, 2001 Hallo Anshu, I can recomand you a good book, in which you can find information (not only)about Yogi and Ava Yogi: "Hindu Astrology Lessons", editor Richard Houck. It is an antology containing 38 articles by 38 different authors. That's where I've got Yogi and Ava Yogi from. Best wishes, Liliana >"Anshu Sood" <anshusood >gjlist ><gjlist> >Re: [gjlist] Ginger Rogers: Vipareet Raja-yoga >Sun, 29 Apr 2001 08:28:37 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [208.50.144.76] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBCB4D40F000B40043199D032904C257C25; Sat Apr 28 20:23:14 2001 >Received: from [10.1.4.55] by mk. with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2001 >03:23:00 -0000 >Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 29 Apr 2001 03:23:00 -0000 >Received: (qmail 79623 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2001 03:22:59 -0000 >Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9. with QMQP; 29 Apr >2001 03:22:59 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO del2.vsnl.net.in) (202.54.15.30) by mta2 with >SMTP; 29 Apr 2001 03:22:58 -0000 >Received: from ABC (unknown [202.54.104.170]) by del2.vsnl.net.in (Postfix) >with SMTP id 87C8C3F0FD for <gjlist>; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 >08:50:40 -0500 (GMT) >From sentto-490438-4722-988514580-astrolila Sat Apr 28 20:24:43 2001 >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-490438-4722-988514580-astrolila=hotmail.com (AT) returns (DOT) >X-Sender: anshusood >X-Apparently-gjlist >Message-ID: <002c01c0d0c4$464ea320$aa6836ca@ABC> >References: <F295GAIXWb9DYccSN0000002022 >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 >Mailing-List: list gjlist; contact >gjlist-owner >Delivered-mailing list gjlist >Precedence: bulk >List-Un: <gjlist> > >Namaste Liliana and all, > >I am curious to know more about yogi and avayogi alongwith the references >to >the source if possible. > >Regards > >Anshu > >- >"Liliana Sucur Perisic" <astrolila ><gjlist> >Saturday, 28 April, 2001 07:02 PM >Re: [gjlist] Ginger Rogers: Vipareet Raja-yoga > > > > Namaste Robert and all listmembers, > > I just wonder, could it be that Saturn's weakness brought prosperity to > > Ginger Rogers because Saturn was her Ava Yogi? Yogi increases and Ava >Yogi > > decreases native's wealth and prosperity, so it is good when Yogi is >strong > > and Ava Yogi weak. Her Yogi, the 4th lord Sun, was strong since conjunct >5th > > lord Mercury, and their dispositor, the Moon, was strong since in 10 and > > aspected by Lagnesh Venus. > > Looking forward to comments, > > sending you love, > > Liliana > > > > > > >"Robert A. Koch" <rkoch > > >gjlist > > >gjlist > > >[gjlist] Ginger Rogers: Vipareet Raja-yoga > > >Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:17:44 -0700 > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > >Received: from [64.211.240.235] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > > >MHotMailBCB1A632006F4004321540D3F0EB208842; Thu Apr 26 10:32:06 2001 > > >Received: from [10.1.4.55] by ci. with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2001 > > >17:27:13 -0000 > > >Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 26 Apr 2001 17:27:12 -0000 > > >Received: (qmail 33921 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2001 17:27:12 >-0000 > > >Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9. with QMQP; 26 >Apr > > >2001 17:27:12 -0000 > > >Received: from unknown (HELO mail.bendnet.com) (206.163.50.5) by mta3 >with > > >SMTP; 26 Apr 2001 17:27:12 -0000 > > >Received: from d1gaz.robertkoch.com (bend36-87.bendnet.com >[206.163.36.87]) > > >by mail.bendnet.com (8.11.2/8.11.2/BendNet) with ESMTP id f3QHR9746159 >for > > ><gjlist>; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:27:09 -0700 (PDT) > > >From sentto-490438-4629-988306033-astrolila Thu Apr 26 10:33:20 2001 > > >X-eGroups-Return: > > >sentto-490438-4629-988306033-astrolila=hotmail.com (AT) returns (DOT) > > >X-Sender: rk > > >X-Apparently-gjlist > > >Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010426100206.00ad8930 > > >X-Sender: rkoch > > >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 > > >In- ><PIELKIHIPIEDMGIDLLGHMEJACCAA.pursottam_dabasia > > > > >References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010425101636.00ace6b0 > > >X-eGroups-"Robert A. Koch" <rk > > >Mailing-List: list gjlist; contact > > >gjlist-owner > > >Delivered-mailing list gjlist > > >Precedence: bulk > > >List-Un: <gjlist> > > > > > >Om Sri Gurubhyo namah, > > > > > >Dear Pursottam, > > > > > >Good work on your investigations of the Vipareet principle of Saturn in >the > > >12th for Taurus rising. I was taught this by Sanjay Rath, who in turn >did > > >some research with charts of famous people. Further to this principle, >it > > >is said that debilitated planets, especially malefics, in dusthanas, >get > > >neechabhanga, and produce instead favorable results during their > > >dasas. this is accentuated in the case of Taurus lagna, and Saturn in > > >Aries in the 12th, for the above reasons. > > > > > >Anyway, regarding Ginger Rogers, this is a poignant example. I have >the > > >following data on her from the Rodden Data bank. The rating is "AA", >which > > >means it is from a birth certificate: > > > > > >7/16/1911 > > >02:18 AM > > >Independence, MO > > > > > >As you have pointed out, her career started during the major period of > > >Saturn, from 9/6/1921 to 9/6 1940. She was a dance and film star, who > > >worked with one of the most famous on-screen dancers of the 20th >century, > > >viz. Fred Astaire. Of special interest, is that her most famous film, >for > > >which she received much acclaim, was a 1935 musical called "Top Hat", >in > > >which she starred with Fred Astaire. This occurred in the major period >of > > >Saturn, and bhukti period of Rahu, both in the 12th house of her > > >chart. This is indeed confirmation that Vipareet Raja-yoga occurs, >when > > >for Taurus lagna, the karaka of 6, 8, and 12 is in 12, in debilitation, >not > > >just lords of 6, 8, and 12. > > > > > >Anyway, there are many interesting facts about her life, the details of > > >which can be studied vis a vis 10th lord in the 12th and afflicted by > > >malefics, during a period of great stardom and fame. I don't have the >time > > >to go through it all today, but anyway, I will post for everyone's > > >information, a biography on her that you can use to cross-reference to >dasa > > >periods, etc.: > > > > > >GINGER ROGERS > > > > > >American dancer and actress, a glamor queen swathed in chic with a firm > > >gaze, strong stride and down-home vowels. Rogers glided across the >silver > > >screen with her famous partner dancer, Fred Astaire in ten films. >Their > > >most notable film was "Top Hat," a 1935 musical. The dancer prided >herself > > >on never taking a formal dance lesson. Rogers struggled to establish >her > > >own solo acting abilities and triumphed with her Oscar award for Best > > >Actress in the 1940 drama, "Kitty Foyle." She wrote her autobiography, > > >"Ginger: My Story" in 1991 and accepted a Kennedy Center Honor in >December > > >1992. Her career in the entertainment industry began in vaudeville, > > >reaching to television spanning over 65 years. > > > > > >Virginia Katherine McMath was born in Independence, Missouri where her > > >mother, Lela Rogers was a news reporter. The family moved to Fort >Worth, > > >Texas. She made her debut on stage at Central High School in Fort >Worth >in > > >1924 in a play written by her mother. As a teenager, she won a >Charleston > > >dance contest. She went on to the vaudeville circuit with the name of > > >Ginger Rogers, the surname from her stepfather. Her mother gave up her > > >career as a reporter and scriptwriter to manage her daughter's budding >show > > >business career. > > > > > >In 1928, she worked in the act, "Ginger and Pepper" with her first >husband > > >Jack Culpepper. In 1929, at 19, she appeared on the Broadway stage in >"Top > > >Seed." She was working at Paramount's Long Island studios at the same > > >time. She appeared in a small role in "Young Man of Manhattan." Film > > >audiences were delighted with her one gag line - "Cigarette me, big > > >boy." The line became a part of the American idiom of the day. She >won > > >acclaim in George Gershwin's "Girl Crazy" on Broadway and quickly sent >to > > >Hollywood in late 1930-31. Rogers worked in song and dance >spectaculars, > > >dramas and comedies. She first danced with Fred Astaire in "Girl >Crazy" >in > > >1930. At the time, critics felt Rogers self-taught dance style could >not > > >equal Astaire's finesse. She was able to silence the opposition and >proved > > >she had the necessary dance techniques and expertise to team with > > >Astaire. On screen, the couple had chemistry, off-screen Astaire and > > >Rogers were strictly working partners with different interests. >Publicity > > >studio men started rumors about the couple having disagreements >off-screen > > >in order to keep their names in the gossip papers. Nothing was further > > >than the truth. Rogers and Astaire always liked and admired each >other's > > >talents and respected their work. By 1939, their careers as a dance >couple > > >together ran its course and they sought solo projects in the industry. >She > > >performed on Broadway shows into her late 70s. > > > > > >Rogers married her second husband, actor Lew Ayres, in 1934. She >married > > >her third husband, Marine Private Jack Briggs, nine years her junior, >in > > >1943. In 1953, she married her fourth husband, Parisian attorney-actor >and > > >15 years her junior, Jacques Bergerac. She married her fifth husband > > >actor-director-producer William Marshall in 1961. They formed their >own > > >movie production company in Jamaica in 1961. Rogers never had children >and > > >never suffered regrets for that decision. > > >A staunch Republican, Rogers fought hard against President Franklin > > >Roosevelt's New Deal policies. She was a devout Christian Scientist >who > > >boasted that she never drank or smoked. However she was frequently >stopped > > >and fined by Los Angeles police for running red lights and speeding > > >violations. She enjoyed changing her hair color frequently and >preferred > > >modern furniture and eye-catching art. Rogers remained slim by >avoiding > > >lunch and eating modestly. By 1943, she was one of the ten highest-paid > > >Americans. She invested her six-figure salary in blue chip stocks and >land > > >including a 1,100-acre ranch on Oregon's Rogue River. Buying the ranch >in > > >1939, she fished, golfed, played tennis, cooked, painted and managed >her > > >investments from her property. She was an active and proud member of >the > > >Daughters of the American Revolution. > > >Rogers had an extremely close and loving relationship with her mother, >Lela > > >Rogers. She grew angry when the media tried to label her mother a >stage > > >mom. The two remained very close and she phoned her mother daily to >tell > > >her "I love you." She called her mom the most influential person in >her > > >life. She felt her mother embodied dignity and good "horse sense." > > > > > >Asked if aging bothered her Rogers replied, "Age can't take your > > >individuality away from you, and that's what counts." She died at her >home > > >in Rancho Mirage, CA on 4/25/1995 at 83 from natural causes. > > > > > > She won a Charleston contest at 14 and worked in clubs and >vaudeville > > >for > > >two years, Broadway by the time she was 18 and then, Hollywood. She was > > >cast in a small role with dancer Fred Astair in "Flying Down to Rio" in > > >1933 that led to a magical screen partnership in ten more wonderful >films > > >together. By 1945 her sunny sophistication made her the highest paid > > >performer in Hollywood. She made over 60 other movies to showcase her > > >talent with drama or comedy. In 1940 she won an Oscar for, "Kitty >Foyle." > > >Rogers had five childless marriages. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Best wishes, > > >Robert > > > > > >===================================== > > >Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer > > >760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. > > >Bend, OR. 97701-9037 > > >Phone: 541-318-0248 > > >visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail > > >rk. rk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2001 Report Share Posted April 30, 2001 Namaste Liliana, I didn't realize until today that you had written this note, and sorry for the delay in answering! At 04:02 AM 4/29/01 +0200, you wrote: >Namaste Robert and all listmembers, >I just wonder, could it be that Saturn's weakness brought prosperity to >Ginger Rogers because Saturn was her Ava Yogi? Yogi increases and Ava Yogi >decreases native's wealth and prosperity, so it is good when Yogi is strong >and Ava Yogi weak. Her Yogi, the 4th lord Sun, was strong since conjunct 5th >lord Mercury, and their dispositor, the Moon, was strong since in 10 and >aspected by Lagnesh Venus. >Looking forward to comments, >sending you love, >Liliana Andrew Lynn is more experienced with the Yogi and Avayogi than I am, and so could probably answer your question more correctly. I have, however, observed the effects of Yogi and Avayogi, and have seen that their influences are poignant so far as fortune, and misfortune are concerned respectively. I think it is important to keep in mind the exact Yoga point, and Avayoga point, as transits to this, or dasas of their dispositors, could bring significant results. Evidently if malefic planets placed in bad houses, such as 6, 8, and 12, occupy the naksatra of the Avayogi, the reverse effects are felt, namely positive, something like a Vipareet Raja-yoga. So far as the Yogi is concerned: I am currently in a dasa of Ketu, which is exactly conjoined Jupiter, who is the yogi in my chart, and my clientele and student involvements have tripled over what they were before I went into this dasa. So the expected results apply in my case, and I have seen that the Yogi works in similar fashion in other cases as well. Thanks for writing, and for your input! Best wishes, Robert ===================================== Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer 760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. Bend, OR. 97701-9037 Phone: 541-318-0248 visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail rk. rk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2001 Report Share Posted May 1, 2001 Hello Manoj, Yes, you are right. Anshu - "Manoj Pathak" <manojpathak <gjlist> Sunday, 29 April, 2001 10:44 PM Re: [gjlist] Ginger Rogers: Vipareet Raja-yoga > Hello Anshu, > > Are you Anshumali Sood ? Just a thought crossed my mind. > > Manoj > > > >"Anshu Sood" <anshusood > >gjlist > ><gjlist> > >Re: [gjlist] Ginger Rogers: Vipareet Raja-yoga > >Sun, 29 Apr 2001 08:28:37 -0700 > > > >Namaste Liliana and all, > > > >I am curious to know more about yogi and avayogi alongwith the references > >to > >the source if possible. > > > >Regards > > > >Anshu > > > >- > >"Liliana Sucur Perisic" <astrolila > ><gjlist> > >Saturday, 28 April, 2001 07:02 PM > >Re: [gjlist] Ginger Rogers: Vipareet Raja-yoga > > > > > > > Namaste Robert and all listmembers, > > > I just wonder, could it be that Saturn's weakness brought prosperity to > > > Ginger Rogers because Saturn was her Ava Yogi? Yogi increases and Ava > >Yogi > > > decreases native's wealth and prosperity, so it is good when Yogi is > >strong > > > and Ava Yogi weak. Her Yogi, the 4th lord Sun, was strong since conjunct > >5th > > > lord Mercury, and their dispositor, the Moon, was strong since in 10 and > > > aspected by Lagnesh Venus. > > > Looking forward to comments, > > > sending you love, > > > Liliana > > > > > > > > > >"Robert A. Koch" <rkoch > > > >gjlist > > > >gjlist > > > >[gjlist] Ginger Rogers: Vipareet Raja-yoga > > > >Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:17:44 -0700 > > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > > >Received: from [64.211.240.235] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > > > >MHotMailBCB1A632006F4004321540D3F0EB208842; Thu Apr 26 10:32:06 2001 > > > >Received: from [10.1.4.55] by ci. with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2001 > > > >17:27:13 -0000 > > > >Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 26 Apr 2001 17:27:12 -0000 > > > >Received: (qmail 33921 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2001 17:27:12 > >-0000 > > > >Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9. with QMQP; 26 > >Apr > > > >2001 17:27:12 -0000 > > > >Received: from unknown (HELO mail.bendnet.com) (206.163.50.5) by mta3 > >with > > > >SMTP; 26 Apr 2001 17:27:12 -0000 > > > >Received: from d1gaz.robertkoch.com (bend36-87.bendnet.com > >[206.163.36.87]) > > > >by mail.bendnet.com (8.11.2/8.11.2/BendNet) with ESMTP id f3QHR9746159 > >for > > > ><gjlist>; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:27:09 -0700 (PDT) > > > >From sentto-490438-4629-988306033-astrolila Thu Apr 26 10:33:20 2001 > > > >X-eGroups-Return: > > > >sentto-490438-4629-988306033-astrolila=hotmail.com (AT) returns (DOT) > > > >X-Sender: rk > > > >X-Apparently-gjlist > > > >Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010426100206.00ad8930 > > > >X-Sender: rkoch > > > >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 > > > >In- > ><PIELKIHIPIEDMGIDLLGHMEJACCAA.pursottam_dabasia > > > > > > >References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010425101636.00ace6b0 > > > >X-eGroups-"Robert A. Koch" <rk > > > >Mailing-List: list gjlist; contact > > > >gjlist-owner > > > >Delivered-mailing list gjlist > > > >Precedence: bulk > > > >List-Un: <gjlist> > > > > > > > >Om Sri Gurubhyo namah, > > > > > > > >Dear Pursottam, > > > > > > > >Good work on your investigations of the Vipareet principle of Saturn in > >the > > > >12th for Taurus rising. I was taught this by Sanjay Rath, who in turn > >did > > > >some research with charts of famous people. Further to this principle, > >it > > > >is said that debilitated planets, especially malefics, in dusthanas, > >get > > > >neechabhanga, and produce instead favorable results during their > > > >dasas. this is accentuated in the case of Taurus lagna, and Saturn in > > > >Aries in the 12th, for the above reasons. > > > > > > > >Anyway, regarding Ginger Rogers, this is a poignant example. I have > >the > > > >following data on her from the Rodden Data bank. The rating is "AA", > >which > > > >means it is from a birth certificate: > > > > > > > >7/16/1911 > > > >02:18 AM > > > >Independence, MO > > > > > > > >As you have pointed out, her career started during the major period of > > > >Saturn, from 9/6/1921 to 9/6 1940. She was a dance and film star, who > > > >worked with one of the most famous on-screen dancers of the 20th > >century, > > > >viz. Fred Astaire. Of special interest, is that her most famous film, > >for > > > >which she received much acclaim, was a 1935 musical called "Top Hat", > >in > > > >which she starred with Fred Astaire. This occurred in the major period > >of > > > >Saturn, and bhukti period of Rahu, both in the 12th house of her > > > >chart. This is indeed confirmation that Vipareet Raja-yoga occurs, > >when > > > >for Taurus lagna, the karaka of 6, 8, and 12 is in 12, in debilitation, > >not > > > >just lords of 6, 8, and 12. > > > > > > > >Anyway, there are many interesting facts about her life, the details of > > > >which can be studied vis a vis 10th lord in the 12th and afflicted by > > > >malefics, during a period of great stardom and fame. I don't have the > >time > > > >to go through it all today, but anyway, I will post for everyone's > > > >information, a biography on her that you can use to cross-reference to > >dasa > > > >periods, etc.: > > > > > > > >GINGER ROGERS > > > > > > > >American dancer and actress, a glamor queen swathed in chic with a firm > > > >gaze, strong stride and down-home vowels. Rogers glided across the > >silver > > > >screen with her famous partner dancer, Fred Astaire in ten films. > >Their > > > >most notable film was "Top Hat," a 1935 musical. The dancer prided > >herself > > > >on never taking a formal dance lesson. Rogers struggled to establish > >her > > > >own solo acting abilities and triumphed with her Oscar award for Best > > > >Actress in the 1940 drama, "Kitty Foyle." She wrote her autobiography, > > > >"Ginger: My Story" in 1991 and accepted a Kennedy Center Honor in > >December > > > >1992. Her career in the entertainment industry began in vaudeville, > > > >reaching to television spanning over 65 years. > > > > > > > >Virginia Katherine McMath was born in Independence, Missouri where her > > > >mother, Lela Rogers was a news reporter. The family moved to Fort > >Worth, > > > >Texas. She made her debut on stage at Central High School in Fort > >Worth > >in > > > >1924 in a play written by her mother. As a teenager, she won a > >Charleston > > > >dance contest. She went on to the vaudeville circuit with the name of > > > >Ginger Rogers, the surname from her stepfather. Her mother gave up her > > > >career as a reporter and scriptwriter to manage her daughter's budding > >show > > > >business career. > > > > > > > >In 1928, she worked in the act, "Ginger and Pepper" with her first > >husband > > > >Jack Culpepper. In 1929, at 19, she appeared on the Broadway stage in > >"Top > > > >Seed." She was working at Paramount's Long Island studios at the same > > > >time. She appeared in a small role in "Young Man of Manhattan." Film > > > >audiences were delighted with her one gag line - "Cigarette me, big > > > >boy." The line became a part of the American idiom of the day. She > >won > > > >acclaim in George Gershwin's "Girl Crazy" on Broadway and quickly sent > >to > > > >Hollywood in late 1930-31. Rogers worked in song and dance > >spectaculars, > > > >dramas and comedies. She first danced with Fred Astaire in "Girl > >Crazy" > >in > > > >1930. At the time, critics felt Rogers self-taught dance style could > >not > > > >equal Astaire's finesse. She was able to silence the opposition and > >proved > > > >she had the necessary dance techniques and expertise to team with > > > >Astaire. On screen, the couple had chemistry, off-screen Astaire and > > > >Rogers were strictly working partners with different interests. > >Publicity > > > >studio men started rumors about the couple having disagreements > >off-screen > > > >in order to keep their names in the gossip papers. Nothing was further > > > >than the truth. Rogers and Astaire always liked and admired each > >other's > > > >talents and respected their work. By 1939, their careers as a dance > >couple > > > >together ran its course and they sought solo projects in the industry. > >She > > > >performed on Broadway shows into her late 70s. > > > > > > > >Rogers married her second husband, actor Lew Ayres, in 1934. She > >married > > > >her third husband, Marine Private Jack Briggs, nine years her junior, > >in > > > >1943. In 1953, she married her fourth husband, Parisian attorney-actor > >and > > > >15 years her junior, Jacques Bergerac. She married her fifth husband > > > >actor-director-producer William Marshall in 1961. They formed their > >own > > > >movie production company in Jamaica in 1961. Rogers never had children > >and > > > >never suffered regrets for that decision. > > > >A staunch Republican, Rogers fought hard against President Franklin > > > >Roosevelt's New Deal policies. She was a devout Christian Scientist > >who > > > >boasted that she never drank or smoked. However she was frequently > >stopped > > > >and fined by Los Angeles police for running red lights and speeding > > > >violations. She enjoyed changing her hair color frequently and > >preferred > > > >modern furniture and eye-catching art. Rogers remained slim by > >avoiding > > > >lunch and eating modestly. By 1943, she was one of the ten highest-paid > > > >Americans. She invested her six-figure salary in blue chip stocks and > >land > > > >including a 1,100-acre ranch on Oregon's Rogue River. Buying the ranch > >in > > > >1939, she fished, golfed, played tennis, cooked, painted and managed > >her > > > >investments from her property. She was an active and proud member of > >the > > > >Daughters of the American Revolution. > > > >Rogers had an extremely close and loving relationship with her mother, > >Lela > > > >Rogers. She grew angry when the media tried to label her mother a > >stage > > > >mom. The two remained very close and she phoned her mother daily to > >tell > > > >her "I love you." She called her mom the most influential person in > >her > > > >life. She felt her mother embodied dignity and good "horse sense." > > > > > > > >Asked if aging bothered her Rogers replied, "Age can't take your > > > >individuality away from you, and that's what counts." She died at her > >home > > > >in Rancho Mirage, CA on 4/25/1995 at 83 from natural causes. > > > > > > > > She won a Charleston contest at 14 and worked in clubs and > >vaudeville > > > >for > > > >two years, Broadway by the time she was 18 and then, Hollywood. She was > > > >cast in a small role with dancer Fred Astair in "Flying Down to Rio" in > > > >1933 that led to a magical screen partnership in ten more wonderful > >films > > > >together. By 1945 her sunny sophistication made her the highest paid > > > >performer in Hollywood. She made over 60 other movies to showcase her > > > >talent with drama or comedy. In 1940 she won an Oscar for, "Kitty > >Foyle." > > > >Rogers had five childless marriages. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Best wishes, > > > >Robert > > > > > > > >===================================== > > > >Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer > > > >760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. > > > >Bend, OR. 97701-9037 > > > >Phone: 541-318-0248 > > > >visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail > > > >rk. rk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > _______________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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