Guest guest Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 Dear Robert and Alex: This is all great stuff and widens our field beyond lagna and its planetary influences. Thanks to both of you for bringing it to our attention. Aside from the scriptural sources, I wonder if we might explain the favourable nature of Venus in Capricorn in terms of karakamsha: if we take Venus as karaka for beauty and make it lagna, then when in Capricorn its mooltrikona sign will be Libra in the 10th house. A Venus Aquarius makes its MT sign the 9th house. Both these houses and 10th especially are concerned with public acclaim and since we're talking about Venus matters, then it stands to reason that the acclaim will be for beauty. Alex I'm wondering where you got all that data for the models. Is it from astrodatabank? That's a really great resource whatever it is. Chris At 05:28 PM 4/23/01 -0700, you wrote: >Namaste Alex, > >Thank you much for the scriptural quotes re: beautiful women, and >placements of Venus in Capricorn. This confirms what I have seen so many >times, for many years. Now, consider the following, which are charts of >actual women with whom I have worked astrologically, and who all possess >exceptional physical and spiritual beauty: > >1. Capricorn rising, with Venus in Taurus in the 5th: She started her >career as a flight attendant for United, then a Playboy bunny, and later >became a very successful model. > >2. Sagittarius rising, with Venus in Capricorn in the 2nd: She started her >career as the lead singer in a rock band, and now has become successful in >TV doing cosmetic commercials. > >3. Libra rising, with Venus and Saturn in Capricorn in the 4th: This woman >enjoys celestial beauty (and so also those who live with her!). She is not >in the entertainment industry, although she was "Prom queen", and Most >beautiful woman on campus" in high school. In fact, in her chart, Venus is >in a close conjunction with Saturn. Saturn's aspect to the Libra ascendant >confirms the theme of beauty a la Venus/Saturn/Capricorn themes. > >4. Capricorn rising, with Venus in the 4th, aspected by exalted lagna lord >Saturn in the 10th: a visionary and chakra healer, of exceptional and >uncanny beauty. > >The following two charts show these principles in a different way (I have >not had them as clients, but anyway the birth data is available): > >1. Pamela Anderson, mega-gorgeous former star of "Baywatch", has a Taurus >rising, with Yoga-karaka Saturn in the 11th, aspecting the lagna. Further, >Venus is in the 4th in Leo. > >2. Marilyn Monroe: Goddess-like beautiful film and sex symbol of the 50's >and 60's: Cancer rising, with exalted Saturn in the 4th, aspecting Venus in >the 10th, as well as the lagna. Chandra happens to be in Capricorn in >Marilyn's chart, and thus seeing the above from the vantage point of >Chandra lagna, Venus becomes the yoga-karaka and is in the 4th, aspected by >exalted lagna lord Saturn, from the 10th. > >Anyway, there are many such charts, and I think with the above in mind, you >will see the astro-correspondences with beautiful women that you come into >contact with. > >Best wishes, >Robert > >===================================== >Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer >760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. >Bend, OR. 97701-9037 >Phone: 541-318-0248 >visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail >rk. rk > > > >gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 Namaste Chris, That is the crux of it I guess, for Saturn signs, Venus forms the most powerful influence due to its yogakaraka status. A thing to look at with interest in charts is how Venus and Saturn behave in their mutual dasa/antardahas. ie Ven-Sat, Sat-Ven. It is mentioned in a few jyotish texts that they have some sort of symbiotic relationship. As regards the models and actors I have just picked up their data from various sources on the internet. They are without times, and sometimes without cities. But they are still fascinating to look at for the sign placements, and how the planets are distributed from each other, etc. Warm regards, Alex J gjlist, Christopher Kevill <ckevill@i...> wrote: > Dear Robert and Alex: > > This is all great stuff and widens our field beyond lagna and its planetary > influences. Thanks to both of you for bringing it to our attention. Aside > from the scriptural sources, I wonder if we might explain the favourable > nature of Venus in Capricorn in terms of karakamsha: if we take Venus as > karaka for beauty and make it lagna, then when in Capricorn its mooltrikona > sign will be Libra in the 10th house. A Venus Aquarius makes its MT sign > the 9th house. Both these houses and 10th especially are concerned with > public acclaim and since we're talking about Venus matters, then it stands > to reason that the acclaim will be for beauty. > > Alex I'm wondering where you got all that data for the models. Is it from > astrodatabank? That's a really great resource whatever it is. > > Chris > > > At 05:28 PM 4/23/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Namaste Alex, > > > >Thank you much for the scriptural quotes re: beautiful women, and > >placements of Venus in Capricorn. This confirms what I have seen so many > >times, for many years. Now, consider the following, which are charts of > >actual women with whom I have worked astrologically, and who all possess > >exceptional physical and spiritual beauty: > > > >1. Capricorn rising, with Venus in Taurus in the 5th: She started her > >career as a flight attendant for United, then a Playboy bunny, and later > >became a very successful model. > > > >2. Sagittarius rising, with Venus in Capricorn in the 2nd: She started her > >career as the lead singer in a rock band, and now has become successful in > >TV doing cosmetic commercials. > > > >3. Libra rising, with Venus and Saturn in Capricorn in the 4th: This woman > >enjoys celestial beauty (and so also those who live with her!). She is not > >in the entertainment industry, although she was "Prom queen", and Most > >beautiful woman on campus" in high school. In fact, in her chart, Venus is > >in a close conjunction with Saturn. Saturn's aspect to the Libra ascendant > >confirms the theme of beauty a la Venus/Saturn/Capricorn themes. > > > >4. Capricorn rising, with Venus in the 4th, aspected by exalted lagna lord > >Saturn in the 10th: a visionary and chakra healer, of exceptional and > >uncanny beauty. > > > >The following two charts show these principles in a different way (I have > >not had them as clients, but anyway the birth data is available): > > > >1. Pamela Anderson, mega-gorgeous former star of "Baywatch", has a Taurus > >rising, with Yoga-karaka Saturn in the 11th, aspecting the lagna. Further, > >Venus is in the 4th in Leo. > > > >2. Marilyn Monroe: Goddess-like beautiful film and sex symbol of the 50's > >and 60's: Cancer rising, with exalted Saturn in the 4th, aspecting Venus in > >the 10th, as well as the lagna. Chandra happens to be in Capricorn in > >Marilyn's chart, and thus seeing the above from the vantage point of > >Chandra lagna, Venus becomes the yoga-karaka and is in the 4th, aspected by > >exalted lagna lord Saturn, from the 10th. > > > >Anyway, there are many such charts, and I think with the above in mind, you > >will see the astro-correspondences with beautiful women that you come into > >contact with. > > > >Best wishes, > >Robert > > > >===================================== > >Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer > >760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. > >Bend, OR. 97701-9037 > >Phone: 541-318-0248 > >visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail > >rk@r... rk@r... > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2001 Report Share Posted April 26, 2001 Hi Alex: I'm impressed by your diligence at finding all those charts by hand, as it were, off the internet. A labour intensive activity for sure. I mentioned Astrodatabank because it's sort of the standard database for this sort of thing. Like GJ, it can select for all sorts of criteria and give you all the charts that have that factor. Unfortunately, it is only a western program at this time and they are in the process of coming out with a jyotish/sidereal version. That will be a great addition to our collective research abilities. Chris At 10:21 PM 4/25/01 -0000, you wrote: >Namaste Chris, > >That is the crux of it I guess, for Saturn signs, Venus forms the >most powerful influence due to its yogakaraka status. A thing to look >at with interest in charts is how Venus and Saturn behave in their >mutual dasa/antardahas. ie Ven-Sat, Sat-Ven. > >It is mentioned in a few jyotish texts that they have some sort of >symbiotic relationship. > >As regards the models and actors I have just picked up their data >from various sources on the internet. They are without times, and >sometimes without cities. But they are still fascinating to look at >for the sign placements, and how the planets are distributed from >each other, etc. > >Warm regards, > >Alex J > >gjlist, Christopher Kevill <ckevill@i...> wrote: >> Dear Robert and Alex: >> >> This is all great stuff and widens our field beyond lagna and its >planetary >> influences. Thanks to both of you for bringing it to our >attention. Aside >> from the scriptural sources, I wonder if we might explain the >favourable >> nature of Venus in Capricorn in terms of karakamsha: if we take >Venus as >> karaka for beauty and make it lagna, then when in Capricorn its >mooltrikona >> sign will be Libra in the 10th house. A Venus Aquarius makes its >MT sign >> the 9th house. Both these houses and 10th especially are concerned >with >> public acclaim and since we're talking about Venus matters, then it >stands >> to reason that the acclaim will be for beauty. >> >> Alex I'm wondering where you got all that data for the models. Is >it from >> astrodatabank? That's a really great resource whatever it is. >> >> Chris >> >> >> At 05:28 PM 4/23/01 -0700, you wrote: >> >Namaste Alex, >> > >> >Thank you much for the scriptural quotes re: beautiful women, and >> >placements of Venus in Capricorn. This confirms what I have seen >so many >> >times, for many years. Now, consider the following, which are >charts of >> >actual women with whom I have worked astrologically, and who all >possess >> >exceptional physical and spiritual beauty: >> > >> >1. Capricorn rising, with Venus in Taurus in the 5th: She started >her >> >career as a flight attendant for United, then a Playboy bunny, and >later >> >became a very successful model. >> > >> >2. Sagittarius rising, with Venus in Capricorn in the 2nd: She >started her >> >career as the lead singer in a rock band, and now has become >successful in >> >TV doing cosmetic commercials. >> > >> >3. Libra rising, with Venus and Saturn in Capricorn in the 4th: >This woman >> >enjoys celestial beauty (and so also those who live with her!). >She is not >> >in the entertainment industry, although she was "Prom queen", and >Most >> >beautiful woman on campus" in high school. In fact, in her chart, >Venus is >> >in a close conjunction with Saturn. Saturn's aspect to the Libra >ascendant >> >confirms the theme of beauty a la Venus/Saturn/Capricorn themes. >> > >> >4. Capricorn rising, with Venus in the 4th, aspected by exalted >lagna lord >> >Saturn in the 10th: a visionary and chakra healer, of exceptional >and >> >uncanny beauty. >> > >> >The following two charts show these principles in a different way >(I have >> >not had them as clients, but anyway the birth data is available): >> > >> >1. Pamela Anderson, mega-gorgeous former star of "Baywatch", has a >Taurus >> >rising, with Yoga-karaka Saturn in the 11th, aspecting the lagna. >Further, >> >Venus is in the 4th in Leo. >> > >> >2. Marilyn Monroe: Goddess-like beautiful film and sex symbol of >the 50's >> >and 60's: Cancer rising, with exalted Saturn in the 4th, aspecting >Venus in >> >the 10th, as well as the lagna. Chandra happens to be in >Capricorn in >> >Marilyn's chart, and thus seeing the above from the vantage point >of >> >Chandra lagna, Venus becomes the yoga-karaka and is in the 4th, >aspected by >> >exalted lagna lord Saturn, from the 10th. >> > >> >Anyway, there are many such charts, and I think with the above in >mind, you >> >will see the astro-correspondences with beautiful women that you >come into >> >contact with. >> > >> >Best wishes, >> >Robert >> > >> >===================================== >> >Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer >> >760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. >> >Bend, OR. 97701-9037 >> >Phone: 541-318-0248 >> >visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail >> >rk@r... rk@r... >> > >> > >> > >> >gjlist- >> > >> > >> > >> >Your use of is subject to > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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