bad dreams

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Namaste,

my idea for bad dreams in this case are as follows:

Persons lagna is 0.°24, according ayanamsha Houck. If you compare this

borderline AC with some horoscopes of psychics, you will see, that they also

often have degrees like our baddreamer. In this case not only the lagna but

also ketu and rahu are borderliners with 0°13. And finally this person had a

prenatal eclipse on 0°32!

Could it be possible, that the person has some unknown psychic abilities

making him or her afraid in the night?

 

The other possibility could (belonging to actual dasa Jupiter/saturn ) be

the transit of both planets through the persons 8th house of death. Jupiter

activates the 12th house (sleep) by aspect and so activates the hidden power

of this house with the moon, (ruler of emotions) in it conjoint by

troublemakers pluto and uranus. Pluto is retro on 5°49 virgo and will be

about the same degree as transit saturn for the next time.

 

A third thing might be the close relationship of neptune, also ruling dreams

in 2nd with mars and jupiter (a malefic for libra AC) . Neptune is sitting

on 9°36 dirctly opposite to the arabian part of death on 8°58 while the

arabian part for the father in this case is on 9°19 cancer in his tenth.

Ruler of 10th and karaka for father in this case is moon, wo sits in 12. So

I would recommend you to clear up this 3 possibilities:

 

1. Are there any psychic abilities?

2. Are the bad dreams depending of running saturn?

3. Could there be any difficulties in regard of the persons`father?

 

Regards Ilona

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For some reason, out of nowhere, the phrase "Rasi Sandhi" came to mind.

 

Robin

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Ilona,

 

Please post the chart details. It is not possible to make such

judgements from the information given. For example you mentioned dasa

is Jupiter-Saturn, but did not mention their placement.

 

Regards,

 

Alex J

 

gjlist, HellmannC200@t... wrote:

> Namaste,

> my idea for bad dreams in this case are as follows:

> Persons lagna is 0.°24, according ayanamsha Houck. If you compare

this

> borderline AC with some horoscopes of psychics, you will see, that

they also

> often have degrees like our baddreamer. In this case not only the

lagna but

> also ketu and rahu are borderliners with 0°13. And finally this

person had a

> prenatal eclipse on 0°32!

> Could it be possible, that the person has some unknown psychic

abilities

> making him or her afraid in the night?

>

> The other possibility could (belonging to actual dasa

Jupiter/saturn ) be

> the transit of both planets through the persons 8th house of death.

Jupiter

> activates the 12th house (sleep) by aspect and so activates the

hidden power

> of this house with the moon, (ruler of emotions) in it conjoint by

> troublemakers pluto and uranus. Pluto is retro on 5°49 virgo and

will be

> about the same degree as transit saturn for the next time.

>

> A third thing might be the close relationship of neptune, also

ruling dreams

> in 2nd with mars and jupiter (a malefic for libra AC) . Neptune is

sitting

> on 9°36 dirctly opposite to the arabian part of death on 8°58 while

the

> arabian part for the father in this case is on 9°19 cancer in his

tenth.

> Ruler of 10th and karaka for father in this case is moon, wo sits

in 12. So

> I would recommend you to clear up this 3 possibilities:

>

> 1. Are there any psychic abilities?

> 2. Are the bad dreams depending of running saturn?

> 3. Could there be any difficulties in regard of the persons`father?

>

> Regards Ilona

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Dear Alex,

in my answer I referred to transit jupiter/saturn, calling them to be

activatied by transit through the persons`8th house because of dasa. Transit

jupiter in taurus is aspecting the 12th actually.

Natal Jupiter is on 11°03 scorpio, aspecting the person´s 10th house,

including the arabian fatherpoint and natal saturn is on 23°03 aries

aspecting the person`s lagna; while transit saturn also aspects the person`s

10th and the 2nd, containing neptune and mars.

Was this the point you wanted to know?

I am open for further discussion, but this were the ideas I got in the case.

Regards, Ilona

[Guest guest]

namaste Ilona,

 

What I was curious about was the overall chart. What the ascendant

is, and where the planets are situated. As the Ascendant is Libra,

the 12th house lord ruling sleep is Mercury, and the 9th house lord

ruling dreams is also Mercury. So Mercury becomes responsible for the

dreams.

 

I would like the birth details, so I can look at the entire chart for

reference, as I would like to look at all of the influences on the

various houses, etc, that would give bad dreams. If this is not

possible, if you could just disclose the position of the planets in

the chart.

 

Saturn afflicts the 9th house of dreams, and afflicts the 12th from

the mahadasa lord.

 

regards,

 

Alex J

 

gjlist, HellmannC200@t... wrote:

> Dear Alex,

> in my answer I referred to transit jupiter/saturn, calling them to

be

> activatied by transit through the persons`8th house because of

dasa. Transit

> jupiter in taurus is aspecting the 12th actually.

> Natal Jupiter is on 11°03 scorpio, aspecting the person´s 10th

house,

> including the arabian fatherpoint and natal saturn is on 23°03 aries

> aspecting the person`s lagna; while transit saturn also aspects the

person`s

> 10th and the 2nd, containing neptune and mars.

> Was this the point you wanted to know?

> I am open for further discussion, but this were the ideas I got in

the case.

> Regards, Ilona

[Guest guest]

Dear Robin, what is this for a phrase?

Regards Ilona

[Guest guest]

Dear Alex,

the case I was referring to had been given one or two days before, but I

just deleted it.

A question was given, why this person would have bad dreams.

feb. 14 1971 22:38 PM IST 30N19 76 E 21

Un fortunately I have forgotten the listmemebers`s name.

Best wishes Ilona

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In a message dated 4/12/2001 3:06:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

HellmannC200 writes:

 

 

> Dear Robin, what is this for a phrase?

> Regards Ilona

>

>

Dear Ilona,

 

The planets near 0 degrees (or 29 degrees) are kind of in the twilight

of the signs, where they change, are in Rasi Sandhi, and that's said to be

inaupiscious.

Of course aspects and what signs they are in, etc., need to be taken

into account, but it's just something to look at re: the nightmares. It's

just something that kind of stuck in my mind, I have 7th lord Sun at 0

degrees Sagittarius; I don't have many nightmares when I'm asleep, but let's

just say I find lotsa times marriage to be a high-maintenance puzzling pain

in the derrierre--this Sun is conj Rahu and aspected by Saturn, so its not

just 0 degrees. I just drive 'em straight to drink, AND get bossy, LOL.

Considering that dating was so much fun--5th Lord Mercury in 10th aspected by

exalted Jupiter.

Robin

 

 

 

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Thanks Ilona,

 

In this chart the 9th house comes under the aspect of Saturn and

Rahu. The 9th and 12th lord suffer from Saturn's aspect, and is

posited in the sign of Capricon, which causes bad visions.

 

That is what I wanted to check, to see the type of affliction to the

9th. The 12th house itself is only mildly afflicted.

 

I have 3 horoscopes of people who have terrible nightmares, 2 of them

have Saturn posited in the 9th house, both of whose 9th house suffers

papakartari yogas, with Rahu in the 2nd, and Sun or Mars in the 12th.

 

Also in both cases the father abandoned both children. In the first

she ended up adopted, and in the second the father left about 12

years of age.

 

In both chart, Sag is ascendant with Saturn in the 9th, Rahu in the

10th. However in the case of adoption, the 9th lord goes to the 8th

house, whereas in the second case he goes to the 1st with the

influence of 2 benefics. So that is why he stayed so long.

 

regards,

 

Alex J

 

 

gjlist, HellmannC200@t... wrote:

> Dear Alex,

> the case I was referring to had been given one or two days before,

but I

> just deleted it.

> A question was given, why this person would have bad dreams.

> feb. 14 1971 22:38 PM IST 30N19 76 E 21

> Un fortunately I have forgotten the listmemebers`s name.

> Best wishes Ilona

[Guest guest]

Dear Alex, very interesting, your comparision!

So I would suggest, that our questioner in this case makes some enquiries to

his client and then gives us his feedback.

Is it possible, to post me your other bad dream cases too?

Kind regards, Ilona

[Guest guest]

Dear Alex,

please give us birthdata of these cases.

Thanks,

Liliana

 

 

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>Thanks Ilona,

>

>In this chart the 9th house comes under the aspect of Saturn and

>Rahu. The 9th and 12th lord suffer from Saturn's aspect, and is

>posited in the sign of Capricon, which causes bad visions.

>

>That is what I wanted to check, to see the type of affliction to the

>9th. The 12th house itself is only mildly afflicted.

>

>I have 3 horoscopes of people who have terrible nightmares, 2 of them

>have Saturn posited in the 9th house, both of whose 9th house suffers

>papakartari yogas, with Rahu in the 2nd, and Sun or Mars in the 12th.

>

>Also in both cases the father abandoned both children. In the first

>she ended up adopted, and in the second the father left about 12

>years of age.

>

>In both chart, Sag is ascendant with Saturn in the 9th, Rahu in the

>10th. However in the case of adoption, the 9th lord goes to the 8th

>house, whereas in the second case he goes to the 1st with the

>influence of 2 benefics. So that is why he stayed so long.

>

>regards,

>

>Alex J

>

>

>gjlist, HellmannC200@t... wrote:

> > Dear Alex,

> > the case I was referring to had been given one or two days before,

>but I

> > just deleted it.

> > A question was given, why this person would have bad dreams.

> > feb. 14 1971 22:38 PM IST 30N19 76 E 21

> > Un fortunately I have forgotten the listmemebers`s name.

> > Best wishes Ilona

>

>

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Liebe Liliana, die Daten stehen unten.Gruß, Ilona

( feb. 14. 1971 um 22:38PM zone 5:50 76E24 30N19)

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Namaste,

 

Oct 18, 1976 13:05 Helsingborg, Sweden, TZ 1, 56n3, 12e42

 

Aug 9, 1978 15:02 Teguciagalpa, Honduras, TZ 6, 14n6, 87w13

 

Dec 22, 77 7:30am Toronto, Canada, TZ 5, 43n39, 79w23

 

have fun,

 

Alex J

 

gjlist, "Liliana Sucur Perisic" <astrolila@h...> wrote:

> Dear Alex,

> please give us birthdata of these cases.

> Thanks,

> Liliana

>

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> >Thanks Ilona,

> >

> >In this chart the 9th house comes under the aspect of Saturn and

> >Rahu. The 9th and 12th lord suffer from Saturn's aspect, and is

> >posited in the sign of Capricon, which causes bad visions.

> >

> >That is what I wanted to check, to see the type of affliction to

the

> >9th. The 12th house itself is only mildly afflicted.

> >

> >I have 3 horoscopes of people who have terrible nightmares, 2 of

them

> >have Saturn posited in the 9th house, both of whose 9th house

suffers

> >papakartari yogas, with Rahu in the 2nd, and Sun or Mars in the

12th.

> >

> >Also in both cases the father abandoned both children. In the first

> >she ended up adopted, and in the second the father left about 12

> >years of age.

> >

> >In both chart, Sag is ascendant with Saturn in the 9th, Rahu in the

> >10th. However in the case of adoption, the 9th lord goes to the 8th

> >house, whereas in the second case he goes to the 1st with the

> >influence of 2 benefics. So that is why he stayed so long.

> >

> >regards,

> >

> >Alex J

> >

> >

> >gjlist, HellmannC200@t... wrote:

> > > Dear Alex,

> > > the case I was referring to had been given one or two days

before,

> >but I

> > > just deleted it.

> > > A question was given, why this person would have bad dreams.

> > > feb. 14 1971 22:38 PM IST 30N19 76 E 21

> > > Un fortunately I have forgotten the listmemebers`s name.

> > > Best wishes Ilona

> >

> >

> >

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Hello and Namaste Dear List,

 

I had sent Alex a private email regarding bad dreams with the thought that

if he were working with 'curing' the people he has been discussing on the

list, the method that I started using in my 20's and then for my son, who

was also bothered with bad dreams may help.

 

This method worked completely, really well for us both, and other friends

and people I have met over the years, so I am forwarding my recent

communication with Alex to the list.

 

Even though it is very simple, I hope it can help any of the people whose

charts you've been discussing recently.

 

Thanks Alex, for all your words and thoughts.

 

Kind regards,

Patrice

 

 

Re: [gjlist] Re: bad dreams

 

 

>Hi Patrice,

>

>This seems like a good technique for people to confront what they fear.

Post

>this. I am sure that people will appreciate the advice. It is easy to do

and

>logical.

>

>You can also use this technique while dreaming during sleep? This is called

>lucid dreaming and is a little difficult to master, but is effective in

this

>manner.

>

>regards,

>

>Alex J

>

>

>>"Patrice Curry" <patrice.curry

>>"Alex Jaffee" <lostinmotion

>>Re: [gjlist] Re: bad dreams

>>Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:29:22 -0400

>>

>>Hi Alex,

>>

>>Namaste.

>>

>>This sounds so simple, I sometimes hesitate to suggest it, but it is

>>definitely worth it if it helps with the nightmares.

>>

>>What I began doing was as soon as I awoke and gave time to the dream,

which

>>with horrid nightmares there's little else you can do anyway, I would walk

>>through the dream and give it another story or my own 'bend' to it.

>>

>>So, for instance, if the dream is something like my son had where he is in

>>war and being shot and killed with all those around him, in a type of

water

>>landing vessel, I would have him 're-recognize' the events. In this

>>instance

>>he could mentally imagine and picture things thinking of the information

as

>>though he was actually just in a movie, acting with fake bullets and fake

>>blood, then all the actors getting up and enjoying and celebrating their

>>wonderful performance together. Give the dream a new ending. With a child,

>>get them started, if they need help, and then let them create the 'new

>>events', or ending.

>>

>>Another example is I have met a fair amount of woman that after having a

>>child they have these kind of ugly daydreams while in the shower, or

>>something similar, someone coming in and hurting their child. It's

possible

>>they always had some kind of bad daydreams and once it involved their new

>>babies, it became more unbearable enough to talk about it with someone, I

>>don't know. But I have had woman mention this to me, and I too had this at

>>times following my first child's birth.

>>

>>So again, the idea is to recreate the scene in their head, no matter how

>>unrealistic it may seem that things would have worked out that way. Such

>>as,

>>you catch this bad being as he's approaching your child, and with

>>unbelievable strength, pick him up and bounce him out of the house as a

>>rubber ball, etc., or fly him out while you lift him off the ground and

fly

>>out, he's feather light, maybe even melts away (or is made of sugar. :-)).

>>

>>I think possibly the reason this all has continually worked for anyone

I've

>>shared it with is the power that is taken back from the dream or bad

>>people,

>>experiences in the dream, and you again own your own power. That is the

>>thing really that nightmares do to people, leaving them without their own

>>power and any conscious ability that they can act.

>>

>>The other thing I suggest is to use lavender aromatherapy in a

aromatherapy

>>dispenser in the room or a small diluted amount on the wrist. This seems

to

>>work beautifully with children along with the above 'technique'. The

>>lavender alone each night made a huge difference for my son. I really

can't

>>remember him having a nightmare on a night we applied it. This again works

>>for the reason of the lavender alone, I imagine, but also I believe this

>>gave my son and other children I know, again on a very subtle and very

real

>>level, their own sense of their spiritual power returned to them. This

>>consciousness carries into other states, including dreams, and has an

>>immediate effect.

>>

>>Alex, I went back and read some of the other bad dream emails on the list,

>>and it appears that Ilona and others may be working to help 'cure' these

>>people of nightmares. I think we should share this with the list if you

>>also

>>think it might be of help. Let me know and I'll post this to the list, or

>>you can feel free to forward it on.

>>

>>Thanks for your nice words regarding my Mercury and Jupiter placements.

>>More

>>ASAP.

>>

>>All my best regards,

>>Patrice

>>

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