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Dear List members,

 

there is a well known and common yoga called

Sunapha Yoga, which is described as planets

placed in the second from the Moon (excepting

the sun).

 

The results of this Yoga are generally good;

but, of course, it depends on the nature of the planets

and their lordship.

 

In the case of Jupiter second to Moon the results

may be expected as good.

 

However, there is another Yoga, called Sakata Yoga.

The results of this Yoga are generally bad.

 

The definition of this Yoga is: the Moon in

the 12th, 6th, or 8th from Jupiter.

 

In the case of Jupiter 12th to Moon, which means

at the same time Jupiter second to Moon, we have both:

Sakata and Sunapha Yoga.

 

So: how it is to understand?

 

Best wishes, Volker

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Dear Jeff,

 

according to B.V.Raman in his book

"Three Hundred Important Combinations"

Sakata Yoga is defined as: "The Moon in

the 12th, 6th or 8th

from Jupiter gives rise to Sakata Yoga".

 

>From which source do you have the defintion,

that Sakata means Jupiter 12th from the Moon?

 

Sincerly, Volker

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Volker,

If Jupiter is second from the Moon it is a Sunapha Yoga, if Jupiter

is 12th from the Moon it is Shakata Yoga. Jupiter is not both 2nd and

12th at the same time, they are two different Yogas.

Did you perhaps mean Anapha (planets 12th from the Moon) and Shakata

(Jupiter 12th from the Moon)? Sincerly, Jeff

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Volker,

Its the same thing if Jupiter is 12th from the Moon, then the Moon

is 12th from Jupiter. I have this on a handout from Dennis Flaherty. I

suppose it really doesn't make any difference because you are describing

the same relationship whether it is from the Moon to Jupiter or from

Jupiter to the Moon. It is still a Shakata Chandra Yoga. Regards, Jeff

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Jeff,

If jupiter is 12th from moon, then isn't moon 2nd from Jupiter ?

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regards, Sunita.

 

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>Volker,

> Its the same thing if Jupiter is 12th from the Moon, then the Moon

>is 12th from Jupiter. I have this on a handout from Dennis Flaherty. I

>suppose it really doesn't make any difference because you are describing

>the same relationship whether it is from the Moon to Jupiter or from

>Jupiter to the Moon. It is still a Shakata Chandra Yoga. Regards, Jeff

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Jeffrey P Pummill wrote:

> Volker,

> Its the same thing if Jupiter is 12th from the Moon, then the Moon

> is 12th from Jupiter. I have this on a handout from Dennis Flaherty. I

> suppose it really doesn't make any difference because you are describing

> the same relationship whether it is from the Moon to Jupiter or from

> Jupiter to the Moon. It is still a Shakata Chandra Yoga. Regards, Jeff

>

 

Dear Jeff,

 

Are YOU mixing it up or Volker? Volker´s question is still there and your

answer is very cryptic: if jupiter is 12 from moon, moon is second from jupiter,

not 12th as you say. Now what?

I suspect the error is in Raman´s statement.

refards,

 

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Mani,

Yes, I did mix it up a bit. Back to the original question of

Volker's which was based on whether Jupiter when placed 12th from the

Moon was both a Shakata Yoga and a Sunapha Yoga. The answer to that is of

course no, if Jupiter is 12th from the Moon it cannot be 2nd from the

Moon. The confusion comes in because the Moon is 2nd from Jupiter. I was

taught that you count the Chandra Yogas from the Moon, planets 2nd from

the Moon, 12th from the Moon, Jupiter 6,8, and 12th from the Moon etc. If

one sticks with counting the planets and placements from the Moon there

is no confusion. What Volker did in the first e-mail was count the

Sunapha Yoga correctly, that is the planet 2nd from the Moon, and then

counted reverse putting the Moon 12th from Jupiter and saw it as a

Shakata Yoga (when there was none) All Chandra Yogas are planets counted

from the Moon.

Sorry for the confusion. Sincerly, Jeff

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Dear Mani and Jeff,

 

>>This means that Raman erred :<<

 

Does it mean, that for example Ramakrishna Bhat (Fundamentals

of Astrology) also erred, who defined Sakata Yoga: "This Yoga

is brought out, when Moon is posited in the 6th, 8th or 12th

from Jupiter"?

 

Or Hart de Fouw in "Light on Life": "When the Moon is

in the sixt, eight or twelfth house form Jupiter"?

 

Regards, Volker

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Jeffrey P Pummill wrote:

> Mani,

> Yes, I did mix it up a bit. ..... All Chandra Yogas are planets counted

> from the Moon.

> Sorry for the confusion. Sincerly, Jeff

 

Dear Jeff,

 

This means that Raman erred :

 

"according to B.V.Raman in his book

 

"Three Hundred Important Combinations"

Sakata Yoga is defined as: "The Moon in

the 12th, 6th or 8th

from Jupiter gives rise to Sakata Yoga".

 

Here the counting is from jupiter. It should perhaps read: Jupiter in 6th, 8th

or 12th from moon is sakata. This makes sense to some extent. The natural

benefic is in a bad place and cannot help. But can it not reduce the bad effects

of that bad house? Very intriguing.

 

regards

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Hi all,

as far as I know

 

Sunapha Yoga is formed when there is a planet other than the Sun, Rahu or

Ketu in the second house from the Moon;

 

Anapha Yoga is formed when the same situation exists in the twelfth house

conted from the Moon;

 

Shakata Yoga is formed whenthe Moon is in the sixth, eighth or twelfth house

from Jupiter (except when the Moon is in a kendra from the lagna)

 

So when Jupiter is in the second house from the Moon both Sunapha and

Shakata Yoga are formed.

 

Sunapha is supposed to give good results, Shakata less so, so I think Volker

asked a legitimate question.

 

Here is a quote from "Light on Life" by Hart Defouw & Robert Svoboda:

 

"Shakata Yoga:... The fortunes of those born with this Yoga rise and fall

again and again throughout life, just as a cartwheel (shakata means 'cart')

turns round and round as it rolls down the road."

 

"...Planets on either side of the Moon or (as for Veshi, Voshi and

Ubhayachari Yogas) the Sun act as heralds for the luminaries, who are the

regents of the skies. Any planet so near the Moon will be very obvious at

night, enhancing thereby the Moon's splendor.

The texts list many meanings for these yogas, but our Jyotish guru taught us

always to examine the nature of the grahas involved in them before even

trying to predict their effects. Suppose that, for Libra lagna, the Moon

occupies the tenth house in Cancer and Mercury sits in the ninth house (the

twelfth from the Moon) in Gemini. The Anapha Yoga thus created is

substantially stengthened by the Bhadra Yoga which Mercury creates in the

auspicious ninth house. We may safely assert that such a yoga will promote

writing, publishing, higher studies or advanced research, for these are

meanings common to both Mercury and the ninth house. If, for the same lagna,

Moon tenants Aries in the seventh house and a debilitated Mercury forms

Anapha Yoga in the sixth house in Pisces, the yoga will be hardly worth

considering, although theoretically it is better for this enfeebled Anapha

Yoga to exist than it is for Mercury simply ti sit debilitated in the sixth

house as lord of the ninth house of higher studies."

 

If I should add my coment on the topic, I believe that many ( or most)

things in any horoscope are neither 100% "good" nor 100% "bad", you "gain"

something but at the same time this very thing means that you "lose" in

another area, we usually have to "pay the price" for the goodies we are

given. I don't see it as a contradiction but as realistic picture of life. I

personaly found it comforting when I understood this in my own horoscope.

And because I enjoy my "goodies", I'm usually prepared to pay the price.

Usually! Sometimes it is hard.

 

Namaste, Liliana

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>Mani,

> Yes, I did mix it up a bit. Back to the original question of

>Volker's which was based on whether Jupiter when placed 12th from the

>Moon was both a Shakata Yoga and a Sunapha Yoga. The answer to that is of

>course no, if Jupiter is 12th from the Moon it cannot be 2nd from the

>Moon. The confusion comes in because the Moon is 2nd from Jupiter. I was

>taught that you count the Chandra Yogas from the Moon, planets 2nd from

>the Moon, 12th from the Moon, Jupiter 6,8, and 12th from the Moon etc. If

>one sticks with counting the planets and placements from the Moon there

>is no confusion. What Volker did in the first e-mail was count the

>Sunapha Yoga correctly, that is the planet 2nd from the Moon, and then

>counted reverse putting the Moon 12th from Jupiter and saw it as a

>Shakata Yoga (when there was none) All Chandra Yogas are planets counted

>from the Moon.

>Sorry for the confusion. Sincerly, Jeff

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Om Krishnaaya Namah

 

Hello Mani and Jeff,

 

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> This means that Raman erred :

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Actually Raman did not err - Classically speaking, Shakata Yoga is indeed

formed when the Moon occupies a trik house FROM Jupiter (although I seem to

remember the Moon's presence in an angle cancels this yoga). While Jeffrey

is right in saying that Chandra Yogas are counted from the Moon, classically

Shakata is not actually classified as a Chandra Yoga, and does not occur in

the "Chandra Yoga" chapters. Of course 2-12 relationships are bad. But if

there is a planet in the twelfth from the Moon, a beneficial Chandra Yoga -

Anapha - is said to have formed. Of course whether or not it is always

beneficial is debatable, but that is what the classics say.

 

Hope it helps!

 

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Namaste,

 

The classics give both versions, Jupiter in the 12th from the Moon

and Moon being in the 12th from Jupiter. Here are two standard texts.

Jataka Parijata goes into more detail regarding yogas.

 

>From Jataka Parijata

 

If Jupiter occupying the 6th or the 8th bhava from the Moon be

elsewhere than in the Kendra in respect to the Ascendant, the

resulting yoga is termed Sakata.

 

When the Moon occupying a kendra or a kona is in the varga of its

depression or inimical sign and when Jupiter is in the 12th, 6th or

8th from the Moon, the person will be indigent.

 

>From Phala Deepika

 

The Moon in the 6th, 8th, or 12th house from Jupiter causes Sakata.

But if the Moon be in an Angle from the Ascendant, there will be no

Sakata.

 

The native who has his birth in a Sakata Yoga will often be

unfortunate and may regain what he had once lost. His will be a very

ordinary and insignificant birth in this world. Inevitably he will

suffer from much mental agony and be exceedingly unhappy.

 

regards,

 

Alex J

 

 

 

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> Jeffrey P Pummill wrote:

> > Mani,

> > Yes, I did mix it up a bit. ..... All Chandra Yogas are

planets counted

> > from the Moon.

> > Sorry for the confusion. Sincerly, Jeff

>

> Dear Jeff,

>

> This means that Raman erred :

>

> "according to B.V.Raman in his book

>

> "Three Hundred Important Combinations"

> Sakata Yoga is defined as: "The Moon in

> the 12th, 6th or 8th

> from Jupiter gives rise to Sakata Yoga".

>

> Here the counting is from jupiter. It should perhaps read: Jupiter

in 6th, 8th

> or 12th from moon is sakata. This makes sense to some extent. The

natural

> benefic is in a bad place and cannot help. But can it not reduce

the bad effects

> of that bad house? Very intriguing.

>

> regards

> Mani

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Volker,

My confusion comes from the information I stated in previous

e-mails, but it looks like even as authoritative source as Dennis may

have got this one wrong. It lists Shakata as a Chandra Yoga (planets from

the Moon) and specifically states Jupiter 6, 8, or 12 from the Moon.

Apparently he is wrong and so I was wrong. Namaste, Jeff

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Dear Friends,

 

If there are more than one yoga from Chandra present in a chart, all the

yogas would continue to exist and give their results as per their

characteristics in the chart.

 

So, at times you would have Sunapha as well as Anapha in the Chart. Benefics

in 6/8/12 from Lagna and Moon would also cause Lagna-adhi and Chandra-adhi

yoga, which is very good in character and strength.

 

so much only for the time

 

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Dear Friends,

 

If there are more than one yoga from Chandra present in a chart, all the

yogas would continue to exist and give their results as per their

characteristics in the chart.

 

So, at times you would have Sunapha as well as Anapha in the Chart. Benefics

in 6/8/12 from Lagna and Moon would also cause Lagna-adhi and Chandra-adhi

yoga, which is very good in character and strength.

 

so much only for the time

 

Manoj

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Hi all,

I don't know why my mails to this list get so much delayed,

so by the time they arrive, the query or commment is irrelevant or

immaterial!! like the one below . Sorry Jeff, for its appearnance now, the

question was asked long back, when the postings on this topic started. Now I

already have all the clarifications i need !

If anyone knows how to cancel delayed mails, please let me know.

Thanks -

regards, Sunita.

 

 

 

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>Jeff,

> If jupiter is 12th from moon, then isn't moon 2nd from Jupiter ?

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>regards, Sunita.

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> >is 12th from Jupiter. I have this on a handout from Dennis Flaherty. I

> >suppose it really doesn't make any difference because you are describing

> >the same relationship whether it is from the Moon to Jupiter or from

> >Jupiter to the Moon. It is still a Shakata Chandra Yoga. Regards, Jeff

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