Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 Dear List members, there is a well known and common yoga called Sunapha Yoga, which is described as planets placed in the second from the Moon (excepting the sun). The results of this Yoga are generally good; but, of course, it depends on the nature of the planets and their lordship. In the case of Jupiter second to Moon the results may be expected as good. However, there is another Yoga, called Sakata Yoga. The results of this Yoga are generally bad. The definition of this Yoga is: the Moon in the 12th, 6th, or 8th from Jupiter. In the case of Jupiter 12th to Moon, which means at the same time Jupiter second to Moon, we have both: Sakata and Sunapha Yoga. So: how it is to understand? Best wishes, Volker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 Dear Jeff, according to B.V.Raman in his book "Three Hundred Important Combinations" Sakata Yoga is defined as: "The Moon in the 12th, 6th or 8th from Jupiter gives rise to Sakata Yoga". >From which source do you have the defintion, that Sakata means Jupiter 12th from the Moon? Sincerly, Volker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 Volker, If Jupiter is second from the Moon it is a Sunapha Yoga, if Jupiter is 12th from the Moon it is Shakata Yoga. Jupiter is not both 2nd and 12th at the same time, they are two different Yogas. Did you perhaps mean Anapha (planets 12th from the Moon) and Shakata (Jupiter 12th from the Moon)? Sincerly, Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 Volker, Its the same thing if Jupiter is 12th from the Moon, then the Moon is 12th from Jupiter. I have this on a handout from Dennis Flaherty. I suppose it really doesn't make any difference because you are describing the same relationship whether it is from the Moon to Jupiter or from Jupiter to the Moon. It is still a Shakata Chandra Yoga. Regards, Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 Jeff, If jupiter is 12th from moon, then isn't moon 2nd from Jupiter ? Thanks- regards, Sunita. >Jeffrey P Pummill <ayurjyotish >gjlist >gjlist >CC: gjlist >Re: [gjlist] Two or one yoga? >Sun, 8 Apr 2001 17:54:15 -0700 > >Volker, > Its the same thing if Jupiter is 12th from the Moon, then the Moon >is 12th from Jupiter. I have this on a handout from Dennis Flaherty. I >suppose it really doesn't make any difference because you are describing >the same relationship whether it is from the Moon to Jupiter or from >Jupiter to the Moon. It is still a Shakata Chandra Yoga. Regards, Jeff > > >gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2001 Report Share Posted April 9, 2001 Jeffrey P Pummill wrote: > Volker, > Its the same thing if Jupiter is 12th from the Moon, then the Moon > is 12th from Jupiter. I have this on a handout from Dennis Flaherty. I > suppose it really doesn't make any difference because you are describing > the same relationship whether it is from the Moon to Jupiter or from > Jupiter to the Moon. It is still a Shakata Chandra Yoga. Regards, Jeff > Dear Jeff, Are YOU mixing it up or Volker? Volker´s question is still there and your answer is very cryptic: if jupiter is 12 from moon, moon is second from jupiter, not 12th as you say. Now what? I suspect the error is in Raman´s statement. refards, Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2001 Report Share Posted April 9, 2001 Mani, Yes, I did mix it up a bit. Back to the original question of Volker's which was based on whether Jupiter when placed 12th from the Moon was both a Shakata Yoga and a Sunapha Yoga. The answer to that is of course no, if Jupiter is 12th from the Moon it cannot be 2nd from the Moon. The confusion comes in because the Moon is 2nd from Jupiter. I was taught that you count the Chandra Yogas from the Moon, planets 2nd from the Moon, 12th from the Moon, Jupiter 6,8, and 12th from the Moon etc. If one sticks with counting the planets and placements from the Moon there is no confusion. What Volker did in the first e-mail was count the Sunapha Yoga correctly, that is the planet 2nd from the Moon, and then counted reverse putting the Moon 12th from Jupiter and saw it as a Shakata Yoga (when there was none) All Chandra Yogas are planets counted from the Moon. Sorry for the confusion. Sincerly, Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2001 Report Share Posted April 9, 2001 Dear Mani and Jeff, >>This means that Raman erred :<< Does it mean, that for example Ramakrishna Bhat (Fundamentals of Astrology) also erred, who defined Sakata Yoga: "This Yoga is brought out, when Moon is posited in the 6th, 8th or 12th from Jupiter"? Or Hart de Fouw in "Light on Life": "When the Moon is in the sixt, eight or twelfth house form Jupiter"? Regards, Volker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2001 Report Share Posted April 9, 2001 Jeffrey P Pummill wrote: > Mani, > Yes, I did mix it up a bit. ..... All Chandra Yogas are planets counted > from the Moon. > Sorry for the confusion. Sincerly, Jeff Dear Jeff, This means that Raman erred : "according to B.V.Raman in his book "Three Hundred Important Combinations" Sakata Yoga is defined as: "The Moon in the 12th, 6th or 8th from Jupiter gives rise to Sakata Yoga". Here the counting is from jupiter. It should perhaps read: Jupiter in 6th, 8th or 12th from moon is sakata. This makes sense to some extent. The natural benefic is in a bad place and cannot help. But can it not reduce the bad effects of that bad house? Very intriguing. regards Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2001 Report Share Posted April 9, 2001 Hi all, as far as I know Sunapha Yoga is formed when there is a planet other than the Sun, Rahu or Ketu in the second house from the Moon; Anapha Yoga is formed when the same situation exists in the twelfth house conted from the Moon; Shakata Yoga is formed whenthe Moon is in the sixth, eighth or twelfth house from Jupiter (except when the Moon is in a kendra from the lagna) So when Jupiter is in the second house from the Moon both Sunapha and Shakata Yoga are formed. Sunapha is supposed to give good results, Shakata less so, so I think Volker asked a legitimate question. Here is a quote from "Light on Life" by Hart Defouw & Robert Svoboda: "Shakata Yoga:... The fortunes of those born with this Yoga rise and fall again and again throughout life, just as a cartwheel (shakata means 'cart') turns round and round as it rolls down the road." "...Planets on either side of the Moon or (as for Veshi, Voshi and Ubhayachari Yogas) the Sun act as heralds for the luminaries, who are the regents of the skies. Any planet so near the Moon will be very obvious at night, enhancing thereby the Moon's splendor. The texts list many meanings for these yogas, but our Jyotish guru taught us always to examine the nature of the grahas involved in them before even trying to predict their effects. Suppose that, for Libra lagna, the Moon occupies the tenth house in Cancer and Mercury sits in the ninth house (the twelfth from the Moon) in Gemini. The Anapha Yoga thus created is substantially stengthened by the Bhadra Yoga which Mercury creates in the auspicious ninth house. We may safely assert that such a yoga will promote writing, publishing, higher studies or advanced research, for these are meanings common to both Mercury and the ninth house. If, for the same lagna, Moon tenants Aries in the seventh house and a debilitated Mercury forms Anapha Yoga in the sixth house in Pisces, the yoga will be hardly worth considering, although theoretically it is better for this enfeebled Anapha Yoga to exist than it is for Mercury simply ti sit debilitated in the sixth house as lord of the ninth house of higher studies." If I should add my coment on the topic, I believe that many ( or most) things in any horoscope are neither 100% "good" nor 100% "bad", you "gain" something but at the same time this very thing means that you "lose" in another area, we usually have to "pay the price" for the goodies we are given. I don't see it as a contradiction but as realistic picture of life. I personaly found it comforting when I understood this in my own horoscope. And because I enjoy my "goodies", I'm usually prepared to pay the price. Usually! Sometimes it is hard. Namaste, Liliana >Jeffrey P Pummill <ayurjyotish >gjlist >gjlist >CC: gjlist >Re: [gjlist] Two or one yoga? >Mon, 9 Apr 2001 09:26:38 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [208.50.144.70] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBC9B2CF5002F4004325ED03290460B7D169; Mon Apr 09 09:26:27 2001 >Received: from [10.1.4.52] by fg. with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2001 >16:24:49 -0000 >Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 9 Apr 2001 16:24:49 -0000 >Received: (qmail 29626 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2001 16:24:48 -0000 >Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 9 Apr 2001 >16:24:48 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO m16.boston.juno.com) (64.136.24.79) by mta2 >with SMTP; 9 Apr 2001 16:24:48 -0000 >Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for ><"KTg8keOzSmqAPo9VhQ1rN2uK3ajg2W10WDCNPsSTMSLZZtaC9TZBmw=="> >Received: (from ayurjyotish) by m16.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id >F2LLSQKT; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 12:24:24 EDT >From sentto-490438-4115-986833489-astrolila Mon Apr 09 09:27:23 2001 >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-490438-4115-986833489-astrolila=hotmail.com (AT) returns (DOT) >X-Sender: ayurjyotish >X-Apparently-gjlist >Message-ID: <20010409.092646.-207303.0.ayurjyotish >X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 >X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,13 >X-Juno-Att: 0 >X-Juno-RefParts: 0 >Mailing-List: list gjlist; contact >gjlist-owner >Delivered-mailing list gjlist >Precedence: bulk >List-Un: <gjlist> > >Mani, > Yes, I did mix it up a bit. Back to the original question of >Volker's which was based on whether Jupiter when placed 12th from the >Moon was both a Shakata Yoga and a Sunapha Yoga. The answer to that is of >course no, if Jupiter is 12th from the Moon it cannot be 2nd from the >Moon. The confusion comes in because the Moon is 2nd from Jupiter. I was >taught that you count the Chandra Yogas from the Moon, planets 2nd from >the Moon, 12th from the Moon, Jupiter 6,8, and 12th from the Moon etc. If >one sticks with counting the planets and placements from the Moon there >is no confusion. What Volker did in the first e-mail was count the >Sunapha Yoga correctly, that is the planet 2nd from the Moon, and then >counted reverse putting the Moon 12th from Jupiter and saw it as a >Shakata Yoga (when there was none) All Chandra Yogas are planets counted >from the Moon. >Sorry for the confusion. 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Guest guest Posted April 9, 2001 Report Share Posted April 9, 2001 Jupiter in 12th from Moon =ups and downs, can vouch for that! Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2001 Report Share Posted April 9, 2001 Om Krishnaaya Namah Hello Mani and Jeff, > > This means that Raman erred : > Actually Raman did not err - Classically speaking, Shakata Yoga is indeed formed when the Moon occupies a trik house FROM Jupiter (although I seem to remember the Moon's presence in an angle cancels this yoga). While Jeffrey is right in saying that Chandra Yogas are counted from the Moon, classically Shakata is not actually classified as a Chandra Yoga, and does not occur in the "Chandra Yoga" chapters. Of course 2-12 relationships are bad. But if there is a planet in the twelfth from the Moon, a beneficial Chandra Yoga - Anapha - is said to have formed. Of course whether or not it is always beneficial is debatable, but that is what the classics say. Hope it helps! Pursottam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2001 Report Share Posted April 9, 2001 Namaste, The classics give both versions, Jupiter in the 12th from the Moon and Moon being in the 12th from Jupiter. Here are two standard texts. Jataka Parijata goes into more detail regarding yogas. >From Jataka Parijata If Jupiter occupying the 6th or the 8th bhava from the Moon be elsewhere than in the Kendra in respect to the Ascendant, the resulting yoga is termed Sakata. When the Moon occupying a kendra or a kona is in the varga of its depression or inimical sign and when Jupiter is in the 12th, 6th or 8th from the Moon, the person will be indigent. >From Phala Deepika The Moon in the 6th, 8th, or 12th house from Jupiter causes Sakata. But if the Moon be in an Angle from the Ascendant, there will be no Sakata. The native who has his birth in a Sakata Yoga will often be unfortunate and may regain what he had once lost. His will be a very ordinary and insignificant birth in this world. Inevitably he will suffer from much mental agony and be exceedingly unhappy. regards, Alex J gjlist, subra@t... wrote: > Jeffrey P Pummill wrote: > > Mani, > > Yes, I did mix it up a bit. ..... All Chandra Yogas are planets counted > > from the Moon. > > Sorry for the confusion. Sincerly, Jeff > > Dear Jeff, > > This means that Raman erred : > > "according to B.V.Raman in his book > > "Three Hundred Important Combinations" > Sakata Yoga is defined as: "The Moon in > the 12th, 6th or 8th > from Jupiter gives rise to Sakata Yoga". > > Here the counting is from jupiter. It should perhaps read: Jupiter in 6th, 8th > or 12th from moon is sakata. This makes sense to some extent. The natural > benefic is in a bad place and cannot help. But can it not reduce the bad effects > of that bad house? Very intriguing. > > regards > Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2001 Report Share Posted April 9, 2001 Volker, My confusion comes from the information I stated in previous e-mails, but it looks like even as authoritative source as Dennis may have got this one wrong. It lists Shakata as a Chandra Yoga (planets from the Moon) and specifically states Jupiter 6, 8, or 12 from the Moon. Apparently he is wrong and so I was wrong. Namaste, Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2001 Report Share Posted April 9, 2001 Dear Friends, If there are more than one yoga from Chandra present in a chart, all the yogas would continue to exist and give their results as per their characteristics in the chart. So, at times you would have Sunapha as well as Anapha in the Chart. Benefics in 6/8/12 from Lagna and Moon would also cause Lagna-adhi and Chandra-adhi yoga, which is very good in character and strength. so much only for the time Manoj _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2001 Report Share Posted April 9, 2001 Dear Friends, If there are more than one yoga from Chandra present in a chart, all the yogas would continue to exist and give their results as per their characteristics in the chart. So, at times you would have Sunapha as well as Anapha in the Chart. Benefics in 6/8/12 from Lagna and Moon would also cause Lagna-adhi and Chandra-adhi yoga, which is very good in character and strength. so much only for the time Manoj _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2001 Report Share Posted April 10, 2001 Hi all, I don't know why my mails to this list get so much delayed, so by the time they arrive, the query or commment is irrelevant or immaterial!! like the one below . Sorry Jeff, for its appearnance now, the question was asked long back, when the postings on this topic started. Now I already have all the clarifications i need ! If anyone knows how to cancel delayed mails, please let me know. Thanks - regards, Sunita. >"Sunita Menon" <sunita_menon >gjlist >gjlist >Re: [gjlist] Two or one yoga? >Mon, 09 Apr 2001 01:24:50 > >Jeff, > If jupiter is 12th from moon, then isn't moon 2nd from Jupiter ? >Thanks- >regards, Sunita. > > >Jeffrey P Pummill <ayurjyotish > >gjlist > >gjlist > >CC: gjlist > >Re: [gjlist] Two or one yoga? > >Sun, 8 Apr 2001 17:54:15 -0700 > > > >Volker, > > Its the same thing if Jupiter is 12th from the Moon, then the Moon > >is 12th from Jupiter. I have this on a handout from Dennis Flaherty. I > >suppose it really doesn't make any difference because you are describing > >the same relationship whether it is from the Moon to Jupiter or from > >Jupiter to the Moon. It is still a Shakata Chandra Yoga. Regards, Jeff > > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > >_______________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > >gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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