Guest guest Posted April 7, 2001 Report Share Posted April 7, 2001 Jitend wrote: As a student of astrology a lot many questions come to my mind . Destiny is written at the time when we take birth : The god has made our destiny , the movement we have taken birth on this planet . The bad\good things that we see in a horoscope do happen at there due course . But , still a mojority of us consult a lot many astrologers . In case it is destined to see a good astrologer then and only then you could see him . And the remidial measures that he will suggest you will take . This is also predestined . You all must have experienced that they are people who do get good guidence but they don't follow and others cherish to get . --------------------------- >From Raghu Das Goravani You touched on the grand question, "total predestiny?". The mind not yet used to Brahman will fight the idea. Brahman as a concept, along with Paramatma as a concept, make it more possible to understand "total predestiny". If we are in a "oneness" of some type, and if that "oneness" has the ability to think and act and change and experience itself in some way, then we are going to be subject to waves of creation and destruction which will seem foreign to us since we are not privvy to the thinking of the whole in it's movements. Just as the bacteria under our armpits may be destroyed from time to time by bathing and not know why, because they are not aware of what our brain is thinking when it thinks "I think I'll take a shower now", so similarly, when you are just a part of a whole you must play your part and not complain. If we see in a chart that a person has a difficult child, then that is their karma. The child comes. We see in the childs chart that they are afflicted. And so they are. So both charts, born years apart, have the related karma and we see it comes. Lets say the child is a TOTAL invalid, a complete vegetable human. So what are their choices in life? Not much. Pure karma you might say. But then what of their next life? How will it be determined if they have no choices in this life? Then you have to believe in overlapping long term pure karma that can interrupt periods of lives with partial free will, if you believe in free will. If you follow this out long enough, it becomes ridiculous. I can see it in my mind. I'm too lazy to write all the words. Free will is a joke. It's non existent. Everywhere everyone is just coping with the gradual destruction of what little they have, and that is on top of the fact that what they live is a life in a life form in an environment most of which they would not choose, and cannot actually remember choosing. I feel like a prisoner, plain and simple. But to overcome that morbid feeling, I try to find the good reasons the "whole" or "God" would want me to be here experiencing life in this place as I am. That is called religion. Trying to figure out why the greater power, whatever it is exactly, is doing what it's doing to us, who are suffering in many ways at many times. And similarly, to try to figure out how to think, or act, so as to alleviate suffering. But can we alleviate suffering? Not really. Not really ever. Because, the threat of death simply from falling over in your home is always there and deep inside your nervous system always knows it. Then there's lesser evils that may even seem like greater evils. Like knives. Knives in the kitchen, are so totally dangerous, that you have to be careful with them. It's possible to drop a carving knife which falls in such a way as to literally pierce all the way through your foot into the floor below. Boom. Deep cut, big pain, run to hospital, stiches, pills, recovery, weeks of pain. The subconscious knows this at all times. Because this environment has these separations of consciousness, where there is matter, and the conscious being is separate and not wanting/wishing to be fully one with that matter, there is "fright" in the separation of "wills". As the knife falls, or the bullet flys towards us, we "wish" it were different, and in that way, only we, the thinking entity in the "individualy identified" body feels different from what's happening. The material nature, the falling knife, the air it travels through, the gravity pulling it, etc..., all of the nature around us is allowing the knife to fall, and we alone wish it were not so in our consciousness because we have our own ideas about "how things should go" and those thoughts we have always revolve around our individual own wishes for our body and that identity as our body. So we the thinking entity are ALWAYS thinking "how can this be different" and "better" for "me" the individualized body entity, but life is all united in a oneness that never goes with just our thoughts, as there are billions of "us" thinking in this individual centered way, on this one Earth ball alone. While embodied, it's impossible to ever not be somewhat selfishly aware, like when reaching for the food in the cabinet, or drinking water even, or emptying the bladder. But just seeing the plain facts of life, the great controls, and then if you are smart enough to find Jyotish and see it clearly enough, and see how it works so totally, and then get a feel for how everyone is always caught in karma, or at least the fact that it's so gripping, that nothing else really matters, then I think you can begin to see. You cannot get out of this material mess. You are stuck in your body. If you kill it, you don't know what you're doing to yourself for sure, so how good of a risk is that? I can see that all beings are moving in unison though individually identifiable as "cells" within that one body. Just because blood cells flow around, does not mean they are not in our body. They are in our body, and moving around, so we are moving around, inside the one body. Nobody's consciousness is independent from this environment in terms of material learning. Materially, the mind only categorizes and works with what it sees in order to navigate in that realm to satisfy the senses which are pulling, such as hunger etc. The entity moves in that way. But the inner consciousness I might call it, the part that talks to itself, the part that "feels" the results of life, that part has free will so to speak, as that is the conscious part. That's where we have to change in order to handle this imprisonment. That's what I find. When that part is resolved to very long cycles of thinking, then it can handle this life better. Attachment to this life's particulars will block long term thinking. That inner part finds God, as the body does not find God. It's the inner person that finds fulfilment or enlightenment, or rage, or despair. When we feel protected and when we like whomever is controlling us, then we feel fine. When we feel threatened and afraid of whomever is controlling us we feel really bad. So, religion is that process of coming to peace with God. It changes that inner attitude by means of philosophy about the "why" of everything. Why the prison. Why the harsh reality. Why the pain. Etc... But the total retard cannot have these discussions. So it is up to God who can. It is up to the one. The One will decide what you think, feel, will, remember, forget, etc. But you will identify with that as yourself and suffer and enjoy many thoughts. Others around you don't feel your pain. It's all in your head. It's thoughts. Thoughts arising mainly from disgust with what is as compared to what you alone want. You are a reflection of God in this way, a Purush, an enjoyer, but being just a unit within the one, the one does not do your bidding alone. So the change is from selfish to selfless, that you must fly over some time of growth, and growth is pain, or change call it, it's alot of change. That's why change is so constant. Our unit of awareness here, including this ball and it's billions, is changing as a group whole over time. Change is constant. The one is also recycling our bodies every hundred years. So we're marching on here very fast. Attachment, hmmm, there's hardly time for it really, but we're into it anyway. We have a ways to go. Facts are I think, unfortunately, that we are rather young souls as compared to those in the Spiritual World or even on higher planets. I'd say we're pretty young based on how little freedom we have. Since God seems to be ignoring us and we're just kindof left here in this grand control system, I'd say we're not so important yet either. I'd say we're "seeds" being "left to sprout" somewhere congenial for our early growth. Bummer. But I'd say that's about the truth. I hope he lets us out individually, because I (usual Aries) want to be first in line if so. If I have to wait for the whole class, then, hmmm, well, we'd better or might as well get to work waking everybody up so that we can end this nightmare. peace out raghu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2001 Report Share Posted April 7, 2001 gjlist, Das Goravani <das@g...> wrote: > > Facts are I think, unfortunately, that we are rather young souls as > compared to those in the Spiritual World or even on higher planets. I'd > say we're pretty young based on how little freedom we have. Since God > seems to be ignoring us and we're just kindof left here in this grand > control system, I'd say we're not so important yet either. I'd say we're > "seeds" being "left to sprout" somewhere congenial for our early growth. > > Bummer. But I'd say that's about the truth. > > I hope he lets us out individually, because I (usual Aries) want to be > first in line if so. If I have to wait for the whole class, then, hmmm, > well, we'd better or might as well get to work waking everybody up so > that we can end this nightmare. > > peace out > > raghu Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!!! Namaste dear brother raghu!! ME TOO!!! ME TOO!!!first in line!! first in line!! first in line!!...ok! ok! second is good enough!! you aries ram you.... oh you "dark visioned one"!!!...but i have to say that you have stated it so very well...very young souls...in the greenhouse...left to sprout...yup, that sounds about right....however, i think that the celestial gardener occasionally sends in one of Her/His children helpers...to check if the seeds have sprouted yet...and to weed out a few of the really rapacious weeds which seem to be taking over the greenhouse...so we're not really all alone here...i think that is just a phase of the sadhana you are going thru dear brother...when the Divine seems to be playing hide and seek...and mostly hide... .....when the world we grew up in seems like a hell and we wish we could leave, but we're still in kindergarten, and that's just how it is... the days seem so long when you're in kindergarten and you just want to go home to your mommy...but really, the teacher has just stepped out of the room for a moment to take a pee....and will be back momentarily with a whole new batch of leelas to entertain the kids...any body want a candy? and if you think kindergarten days are long....try university! and they don't try to entertain you there! your statements re pre-destination are an interesting parallel to various discussions which Mani and i were having a couple weeks ago...where i had stated in my understanding, that God alone is doing it all, and Mani agreed, but said that this was not the goal...that the goal was to have a "family" of children who would "grow" up and "take over the shop".....your very cogent arguments in this direction are validating both of our views....that God Alone is doing here...(although we don't feel it, just like that armpit bacteria, you referred to), but that S/He intends for growth of the children into "companions" with more "freedom"...whatever that may mean. just another of my two cents....still won't buy a coffee tho. In Mother's Divine Love and in Her Service, as ever Her little sprout in the Greenhouse visvanathan Om Amrtesvaryai Namah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2001 Report Share Posted April 7, 2001 Das, have you ever seen the movie, The Shawshank Redemption? SR is about imprisonment, reality, freedom, and souls moving about in it. Very cool if you stick with it to the end. Das your ornery Saturn is coming out today. I believe that our karma almost totally determines the course of our lives. WILL and FREEDOM I also see are the way out of that prisonhouse. Prison houses are families, relationships, marriages, socio-economic conditions, slums, backward countries, physical handicaps, and the list goes on. Just as all of those things are an ILLUSION, however, those illusions or "realities" are changed internally. We can change our worlds because we will it so. It is not "easy", in fact I don't even think we begin to understand the process. Without God changing our world is virtually impossible. Some people I have seen, very accomplished and successful, work very hard, get very rich, but at the same time en-mire themselves all the more. In asmuch as strong Saturn types like you and me, Das, will see the place of hard work, I think the true abundance of the Universe comes from Joy and seeking Freedom. The little candle of self is blown out because the real self IS GOD. So I think you fall a little short, thinking God is uninvolved with us and not seeming to care about what happens in the little world. Our little egos or selves are the illusion. The Truth is WE ARE GOD. Now I think even the higher track we might take is already predetermined, but it is our free will because WE ARE GOD. So there! Have a nice day Curtis Burns At 09:45 AM 4/7/01 -0800, you wrote: >Jitend wrote: > > >As a student of astrology a lot many questions come to my mind . > >Destiny is written at the time when we take birth : The god has made >our destiny , the movement we >have taken birth on this planet . The bad\good things that we see in a >horoscope do happen at there >due course . > >But , still a mojority of us consult a lot many astrologers . In case it >is destined to see a good >astrologer then and only then you could see him . And the remidial >measures that he will suggest you >will take . This is also predestined . > >You all must have experienced that they are people who do get good >guidence but they don't follow >and others cherish to get . > >--------------------------- > > >From Raghu Das Goravani > >You touched on the grand question, "total predestiny?". > >The mind not yet used to Brahman will fight the idea. Brahman as a >concept, along with Paramatma as a concept, make it more possible to >understand "total predestiny". > >If we are in a "oneness" of some type, and if that "oneness" has the >ability to think and act and change and experience itself in some way, >then we are going to be subject to waves of creation and destruction >which will seem foreign to us since we are not privvy to the thinking of >the whole in it's movements. > >Just as the bacteria under our armpits may be destroyed from time to >time by bathing and not know why, because they are not aware of what our >brain is thinking when it thinks "I think I'll take a shower now", so >similarly, when you are just a part of a whole you must play your part >and not complain. > >If we see in a chart that a person has a difficult child, then that is >their karma. The child comes. We see in the childs chart that they are >afflicted. And so they are. So both charts, born years apart, have the >related karma and we see it comes. > >Lets say the child is a TOTAL invalid, a complete vegetable human. So >what are their choices in life? Not much. Pure karma you might say. > >But then what of their next life? How will it be determined if they have >no choices in this life? Then you have to believe in overlapping long >term pure karma that can interrupt periods of lives with partial free >will, if you believe in free will. > >If you follow this out long enough, it becomes ridiculous. I can see it >in my mind. I'm too lazy to write all the words. Free will is a joke. >It's non existent. > >Everywhere everyone is just coping with the gradual destruction of what >little they have, and that is on top of the fact that what they live is >a life in a life form in an environment most of which they would not >choose, and cannot actually remember choosing. > >I feel like a prisoner, plain and simple. > >But to overcome that morbid feeling, I try to find the good reasons the >"whole" or "God" would want me to be here experiencing life in this >place as I am. That is called religion. Trying to figure out why the >greater power, whatever it is exactly, is doing what it's doing to us, >who are suffering in many ways at many times. > >And similarly, to try to figure out how to think, or act, so as to >alleviate suffering. > >But can we alleviate suffering? Not really. Not really ever. Because, >the threat of death simply from falling over in your home is always >there and deep inside your nervous system always knows it. Then there's >lesser evils that may even seem like greater evils. Like knives. Knives >in the kitchen, are so totally dangerous, that you have to be careful >with them. It's possible to drop a carving knife which falls in such a >way as to literally pierce all the way through your foot into the floor >below. Boom. Deep cut, big pain, run to hospital, stiches, pills, >recovery, weeks of pain. The subconscious knows this at all times. > >Because this environment has these separations of consciousness, where >there is matter, and the conscious being is separate and not >wanting/wishing to be fully one with that matter, there is "fright" in >the separation of "wills". > >As the knife falls, or the bullet flys towards us, we "wish" it were >different, and in that way, only we, the thinking entity in the >"individualy identified" body feels different from what's happening. The >material nature, the falling knife, the air it travels through, the >gravity pulling it, etc..., all of the nature around us is allowing the >knife to fall, and we alone wish it were not so in our consciousness >because we have our own ideas about "how things should go" and those >thoughts we have always revolve around our individual own wishes for our >body and that identity as our body. > >So we the thinking entity are ALWAYS thinking "how can this be >different" and "better" for "me" the individualized body entity, but >life is all united in a oneness that never goes with just our thoughts, >as there are billions of "us" thinking in this individual centered way, >on this one Earth ball alone. > >While embodied, it's impossible to ever not be somewhat selfishly aware, >like when reaching for the food in the cabinet, or drinking water even, >or emptying the bladder. > >But just seeing the plain facts of life, the great controls, and then if >you are smart enough to find Jyotish and see it clearly enough, and see >how it works so totally, and then get a feel for how everyone is always >caught in karma, or at least the fact that it's so gripping, that >nothing else really matters, then I think you can begin to see. > >You cannot get out of this material mess. You are stuck in your body. If >you kill it, you don't know what you're doing to yourself for sure, so >how good of a risk is that? > >I can see that all beings are moving in unison though individually >identifiable as "cells" within that one body. Just because blood cells >flow around, does not mean they are not in our body. They are in our >body, and moving around, so we are moving around, inside the one body. > >Nobody's consciousness is independent from this environment in terms of >material learning. Materially, the mind only categorizes and works with >what it sees in order to navigate in that realm to satisfy the senses >which are pulling, such as hunger etc. The entity moves in that way. > >But the inner consciousness I might call it, the part that talks to >itself, the part that "feels" the results of life, that part has free >will so to speak, as that is the conscious part. That's where we have to >change in order to handle this imprisonment. That's what I find. > >When that part is resolved to very long cycles of thinking, then it can >handle this life better. Attachment to this life's particulars will >block long term thinking. > >That inner part finds God, as the body does not find God. It's the inner >person that finds fulfilment or enlightenment, or rage, or despair. > >When we feel protected and when we like whomever is controlling us, then >we feel fine. When we feel threatened and afraid of whomever is >controlling us we feel really bad. So, religion is that process of >coming to peace with God. It changes that inner attitude by means of >philosophy about the "why" of everything. Why the prison. Why the harsh >reality. Why the pain. Etc... > >But the total retard cannot have these discussions. So it is up to God >who can. It is up to the one. The One will decide what you think, feel, >will, remember, forget, etc. > >But you will identify with that as yourself and suffer and enjoy many >thoughts. Others around you don't feel your pain. It's all in your head. >It's thoughts. Thoughts arising mainly from disgust with what is as >compared to what you alone want. > >You are a reflection of God in this way, a Purush, an enjoyer, but being >just a unit within the one, the one does not do your bidding alone. So >the change is from selfish to selfless, that you must fly over some time >of growth, and growth is pain, or change call it, it's alot of change. >That's why change is so constant. Our unit of awareness here, including >this ball and it's billions, is changing as a group whole over time. >Change is constant. The one is also recycling our bodies every hundred >years. So we're marching on here very fast. > >Attachment, hmmm, there's hardly time for it really, but we're into it >anyway. We have a ways to go. > >Facts are I think, unfortunately, that we are rather young souls as >compared to those in the Spiritual World or even on higher planets. I'd >say we're pretty young based on how little freedom we have. Since God >seems to be ignoring us and we're just kindof left here in this grand >control system, I'd say we're not so important yet either. I'd say we're >"seeds" being "left to sprout" somewhere congenial for our early growth. > >Bummer. But I'd say that's about the truth. > >I hope he lets us out individually, because I (usual Aries) want to be >first in line if so. If I have to wait for the whole class, then, hmmm, >well, we'd better or might as well get to work waking everybody up so >that we can end this nightmare. > >peace out > >raghu > > > > >gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2001 Report Share Posted April 7, 2001 Das, Thanks for speaking the hard truth. When I was a Calvinist years ago I found that I really was settled and at peace. Not so much because I had (thought I had) my theological ducks in a row, but I had really surrendered (at least for a time) to believing that God was in total control and predestinating all that was going to come to past. This lifted quite a burden off of me, but the down side of Calvinism, the pride of being one of the elect etc. led me to search for greener pastures. When I started Saturn MD in late 1992, within 8 months I was rear ended 3 times in the Seattle area. My neck is still full of crunchies from those experiences. Guess where Saturn is in my chart? Yep! 2nd house. My digestion has been bothersome for years (though elimination is better), lots of gas and an occasional sharp pain usually caused by a gas bubble. Guess where Saturn is? Virgo! Which house does he own? 6th (and the 7th). I just go on trying to manage these afflictions, and really they are only a minor nuisance. I recall a story of a monk asking his spiritual father why he was so peaceful, unmovable, unaffected by circumstances. The spiritual father replied, "I desire whatever happens". May Grace speed us all to that place. Your brother in the struggle, Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 Das Goravani wrote: > > > Facts are I think, unfortunately, that we are rather young souls as > compared to those in the Spiritual World or even on higher planets. I'd > say we're pretty young based on how little freedom we have. Since God > seems to be ignoring us and we're just kindof left here in this grand > control system, I'd say we're not so important yet either. I'd say we're > "seeds" being "left to sprout" somewhere congenial for our early growth. Dear Raghu, Curtis, KV , Jeffery, It is indeed great to wake up on a sunday and read your letter!. Rahu´s expose is excellent, so much truth - as best we can ever comprehend - in a nutshell. nd the other comments, looking at the same thing from slightly different angles, rounds off the picture beautifully! Raghu´s idea that our free-will is essentially mental is what I too think. Curtis´view that free-will is far greater, for it is God acting in and thru us is also valid. Maya brings in the difference. People say, "May God´s will be done!" But I say, "God´s will is always being done, so it should be `May God´s wish be fulfilled´".... in that we sprout quicker! Another simile would be that we are caterpillars, greedily eating experiences. One day we will turn into cocoons - "samadhi" - and after that fly off as butterflies with wings into another dimension. Certain experiences in my life show me at least that we do have a bit of free-will and can influence occurrences. For as Rahu says everything is changing all the time, there are moments when our thoughts can modify a tendency. also certain matters like whether I choose to drink tea or coffee when a waitress asks me are perhaps grey zones. At least during the last years I have had evidence of free-will acting. Just one example: For years I had been wanting to live in a sort of alternative community, where people were spiritual-minded, would help one another like a family. Saw a few such places, but was not satisfied. Made two attempts to found such a community with some friends, but both failed for various stupid reasons. The I got to know a lady who channels. She channelled Seth. He said, "you are talking to me thru a person who has the same aims as you. You can join her and WE will help you to fulfil your wishes." This worked out in principle, she and her friends had chosen the village where I now live to be the place for this community. I wanted to move to the village - which I had never seen before - only when the community had been started: didn´t want to take the step of leaving all my known surroundings, going to an unknown village, and later find that the project not succeeding! I´d be left high and dry if that happened. TZhings stagnated for three years. So I asked Seth again, after all he had given me hopes. His answer was: "How can you expect the project to move if you don´t go there first? You are the scout and pioneer and if you hold back, where is the example for others? You have set the thing going!" So I talked to a lady in the group in Berlin and she agreed to move to the village first and find a place for me, since from my distance it was a problem for me. She did this and I could visit her, stay at her place and look for an apartment in the place. I picked an apartment I wanted to move into, but could not meet the owner. by correspondence I rented the apt. and everything was settled. I had to give my income etc. ... But the promised contract did not arrive. At the same time I was sqeamish about going so far away, leaving my familiar district. A week before the planned date of leaving I got a letter from the new landlord that he had decided NOT to give me flat in the village - I was a "financial risk". I was in a dither, not knowing how to take it: was it Mother saying "Don´t shift!" or just my problem to solve. So I asked Seth again and he said, "You have created the situation by not really deciding in your heart. Now you have the choice: ither decide you don´r want to shift or decide to do so. If you decide to move you can change the situaton with one phone call! WE do not influence anyone, but now I say that it will be a pity if you decide not to shift: so many opportunities for so many will be lost. WE request you to decide right now!" I thought for a few moments over the pros and cons, decided to shift! Seth: "Thanks! The landlord has given a polite lie as the reason for not giving you the apt. He is not really afraid you won´t pay the rent! He has had some nrgative experiences in Berlin with eastern foreigners. He is afraid that you will bring in all your Indian relatives, start some Indian sect and create an Indian ghetto in the village. He loves his village and does not want its character to be changed thus! Call him and dispel his fears, say Christ is your ideal. DO not change your plans, you can move as planned, for you have decided to do so!" So I called the landlord, said," Before deciding not to give me the apt. you should have talked to me, instead of giving a false reason for the decision!" He:" What do you mean?" I: "You are not worried about the payment of rent, but think I will Indianize the village and bring in some foreign sect!" Silence, then "How did you guess this? It is true!" I: "Don´t worry about how. I don´t belong to any church, go to all. I am not baptised, but adore Jesus. I want only peace and quiet, but do intend to be involved in religion: with the help of the local pastor I hope to start a bible-study movement, so that the words of Jesus will be better understood and followed." There follwed a bit of discussion about my religious ideas.... I : "Frederick the Great, who ruled over your province, said, In my kingdom every citizen is free to find his salvation in his own faith! I forbid all violence in the name of religio`n!´ And he even allowed a Mosque to be built in his capital! If I found a sect in your village, I will name Frederick as its chief Priest!".. He: " Hold on for a moment, I have to talk to my secretary............ I have just signed your contract for the apt. and told her to send it to you by express mail! Welcome to our village, and may you find many friends here!".... See what I mean? If I said I was Manu, it was only to establish our close relationship, not to play partriarch! I had a query regarding this and I´m posting it, with the answer I gave: > please forgive ignorance yet please share who that is...what kind of life > was it? Dear Aria Manu is supposed to have been the first human soul, from whom all others were born. This carried great responsibility and he seems to have sort of "goofed" it, wihout realizing the consequences. Just like Adam made a "mistake". But for his mistake the lessons of this world would have been less painful,... perhaps! He has apparently incarnated many times to help clean up the mess he made. For this he usually took on influential lives. It is not certain that his soul is in my body! The "evidence" is only circumstantial, although it would explain some things in my life and my feelinsg, visions, dreams etc. Manu was never a sage or saint or anything like that. He was sometimes warrior, king, general etc., sometimes priest or powerful merchant or inventor and engineer, mostly engaged in pioneering work with very wide-spread connections, colonizing etc. He was also now and then a "scout", just being one of many, to understand the problems of his fellow beings, the trend of their thought etc. If now I am really Manu, it is only in this role: to be an average person and see how life is for the majority! But I do think I have rendered one service: proved that with the available literature on various subjects and just thinking - not doing any penance, special worship and so on - Man can convince himself of the transcendental presence of God! Not based on mystical experiences alone, but on sound scientific logic. Great philosophers before me have done much in this direction, but I think I have it much better. This is a necessary step towards the final goal, the cahanging of man from caterpillar to butterfly. Anyway it is nothing to boast about. And if my soul is say 10 million years old, then yours is perhaps 10 million minus 100! Big deal! regards Mani xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx The parable in the vedas about the bird sitting placidly on a high branch, its twin jumping aroud on a lower, eating the fruits, is perhaps the key to understanding life on earth. Our true "SELVES" are in heaven with God, only "twin" extensions, projections, of our true Selves are here. Religion, re -ligion, means re-knotting, re-uniting us with God. This is only in our sapient understanding, for we were never separated from God. Our true Selves are always with God, like disciples in an ashram. Our privileges there are limited, till we gather the knowledge our "twins" feed back. To combine Raghu and Curtis, the tiny seed is the tree; we are the tiny seeds of the trees that will become Gods. We will respect the parent, will live as a family, without any rivalry for power, giving and receiving, competing only in play!.... But that play also requires opposition! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Saturn is hour by hour accelerating towards my ascendant. The last two hits were very depressing. This time I only feel physically weak and lethargic, but am cheerful. And letters like yours are adding to this feeling! As for Calvinism, the thing I don´t like about it is that its churches are so sterile and uncomforting. Too intellectual, lacking in "warmth". Too suggestive of an austere, stern God rather than a loving parent witing for us to come home and eat the cake. > Facts are I think, unfortunately, that we are rather young souls as > compared to those in the Spiritual World or even on higher planets. Time, as KV points out, is relative. The actual difference in age between old and young souls may seem big to us, but for God in eternity it is ony a jiffy! WE ARE ALL EQUAL, EVERYONE OF US IS LOVED, EVERYONE OF US IS NECESSARY! Great to know you guys! love Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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